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DRPapi1983 · Guru

RE: Why make the captain rank.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?

DRPapi1983 · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?

With time rank gets better. Trust me.

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?

In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

Why only the first year ? Do they gain seniority quickly or something ?

wereinbacklog · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
Why only the first year ? Do they gain seniority quickly or something ?

9 hr tours first year

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Does unpaid leave (like childcare) you buy back count towards the time in rank needed to be eligible for promotion?

Caballo Loco · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?

They say the best rank or title on any job is the one you currently have , there are always good things and bad things when taking on a new role or title .
As far as the pension goes , well we live in a society were everyone is always concerned about making the most pension while forgetting to live your life while you are young and strong. If you can enjoy life more now while getting a decent pension at the end then maybe staying in rank will be the better option .

-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Saturday 31st of December 2022 01:43:22 PM

Bill Parcells · Senior Member

Caballo Loco wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
They say the best rank or title on any job is the one you currently have , there are always good things and bad things when taking on a new role or title .
As far as the pension goes , well we live in a society were everyone is always concerned about making the most pension while forgetting to live your life while you are young and strong. If you can enjoy life more now while getting a decent pension at the end then maybe staying in rank will be the better option .

-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Saturday 31st of December 2022 01:43:22 PM

Respect the guidelines

Jibberjab · Senior Member

If you have a gig, in line for lsa, make your own schedule, have a family where kids are doing multiple after school activities and you want to be at every one of them I doubt promotion makes sense. Ive seen people go the self demotion route. Could always test the waters and see how it goes. But is there a time frame you have to do that in? Or if 2 years after being promoted you are like this is an absolute garbage rank and is only getting worse, can you self demote?

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.

This is becoming less and less applicable as Tier 3 MOS start to become the majority on this job. Tier 3 people dont have a last 12 month FAS. They have a choice between best 3 consecutive calendar years (they choose) or last 36 months. Thats it. Which means if you have a tier 3 LT whos at top pay, they can lock in 3 good years and run as much time at the end without messing up their pension. Would make no sense for a LT in that scenario to promote, take a pay cut, work longer for free, and take daily poundings from whatever egomaniacal boro executive they happen to fall under.

Jibberjab · Senior Member

soccerpsyco32 wrote:
Doggieloverwoof wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
In my case it was because i would have to kill myself working OT the last 12 months for the best possible pension. As a Capt, I can burn my time and my pension wont be affected. Yeah the first year sucks, but you have to look at the bigger picture.
This is becoming less and less applicable as Tier 3 MOS start to become the majority on this job. Tier 3 people dont have a last 12 month FAS. They have a choice between best 3 consecutive calendar years (they choose) or last 36 months. Thats it. Which means if you have a tier 3 LT whos at top pay, they can lock in 3 good years and run as much time at the end without messing up their pension. Would make no sense for a LT in that scenario to promote, take a pay cut, work longer for free, and take daily poundings from whatever egomaniacal boro executive they happen to fall under.

Even with tier 3 guys they have to bust their ass for 3 consecutive years with overtime to get a good fas, even more reason to be a captain and walk in the door making 200k. Not to mention if any passed this time around they will be in rank for most likely 10 years and retire with inspectors pension.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Jibberjab wrote:
If you have a gig, in line for lsa, make your own schedule, have a family where kids are doing multiple after school activities and you want to be at every one of them I doubt promotion makes sense. Ive seen people go the self demotion route. Could always test the waters and see how it goes. But is there a time frame you have to do that in? Or if 2 years after being promoted you are like this is an absolute garbage rank and is only getting worse, can you self demote?

You can go back to LT during your probationary period. After you become permanent in rank, you cant go back (to LT). Not many people go back (if ever). Every rank has its perks (no more memo books, OT, take home car, etc.). To me, Lieutenant is the best rank on this job. But the job is changing fast. Ill let you guys tell it ,is it really the best rank ??????

Jibberjab · Senior Member

With all these man power issues LT is just a glorified sgt right now. At least where I work its always 1 sgt and 1 LT so you are constantly running around whenever you arent on the desk.

DetailBoss · Member

Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?

HopeBoss · Senior Member

DetailBoss wrote:
Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?

All the ones i know are stressed and overworked with the duty and details.

Jibberjab · Senior Member

The fact that they have all these mobile field forces are messing up schedules and days off.

brooklynbacon · Guru

DetailBoss wrote:
Is the rank still worth taking? How are the captains being treated these days?

It depends on your goals and aspirations. It also depends on how you want your personal life and family life to be.

Like poop and i dont see this changing with how short the department is.

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:35:17 AM

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Monday 4th of December 2023 11:36:42 AM

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

Jibberjab wrote:
The fact that they have all these mobile field forces are messing up schedules and days off.

That's every rank though. Everyone's schedules and days off are being completely screwed up.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Dont have to chase the overtime anymore.

25isthenew20 · Senior Member

DRPapi1983 wrote:
HopeBoss wrote:
A lot of people saying stop at Lt. Why make captain ? I get they make $192k at top pay but is all the added stress worth it ?
With time rank gets better. Trust me.

Debatable, I think you just get used to the abuse its the perfect rank if youre single or married and looking to get divorced! The first 6 months to a year are the roughest because you are essentially a rookie sergeant all over again.

Wooly · Veteran Member

If someone decides to go back to LT as a probation Capt, would they go back to thier detail?? Cause Capt IA way better than patrol LT

Truthseeker · Guru

What i am about to say is a general statement. Everyones situation is different. But MOST ppl who are miserable in the rank are so bc of their own actions. They cant accept leaving the GAME and going to a dead end detail which gives u as good of a life as any rank can. You cant complain remaining an xo and having no life and staying on patrol bc you want a command. Or taking a command and complaining about the work or not being promoted. Welcome to the game!

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Truthseeker wrote:
What i am about to say is a general statement. Everyones situation is different. But MOST ppl who are miserable in the rank are so bc of their own actions. They cant accept leaving the GAME and going to a dead end detail which gives u as good of a life as any rank can. You cant complain remaining an xo and having no life and staying on patrol bc you want a command. Or taking a command and complaining about the work or not being promoted. Welcome to the game!

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Most borough commanders ask their new captains, do you want to play a game ?

brooklynbacon · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
Most borough commanders ask their new captains, do you want to play a game ?

And you say yes unless you want steady midnights and mobile field forces every day.

Nypdnypd3100 · Senior Member

Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.

PD2FD · Guru

Nypdnypd3100 wrote:
Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.

Seriously! I'll do 5 years as a Captain doing Mobile Field Forces. Those details are a joke!

Leslie · Guru

Lately you dont have much of a choice, they force you to play the game if youre on patrol.

Bill Parcells · Senior Member

Leslie wrote:
Lately you dont have much of a choice, they force you to play the game if youre on patrol.

Too pay everything included 200k plus to walk in the door. We'll all be fine

HopeBoss · Senior Member

I thought when yall go to a borough the chief sits down with you and asks where you want your career to go? Did anyone say chief ?

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

PD2FD wrote:
Nypdnypd3100 wrote:
Steady midnights and mobile field force actually sounds awesome.
Seriously! I'll do 5 years as a Captain doing Mobile Field Forces. Those details are a joke!

I dont think its the detail itself per say, its constantly getting notified to do different tours and report to different areas, when you could just be sitting in your office....

Bill Parcells · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
I thought when yall go to a borough the chief sits down with you and asks where you want your career to go? Did anyone say chief ?

Not anymore. Not enough captains. Everyone has to go to commands.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?

PD2FD · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?

You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.

Tunit · Senior Member

PD2FD wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.

This is correct.

Truthseeker · Guru

The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

PD2FD wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
When you get newly promoted to Captain. Is it mandatory to become an XO of a command ? Is there a possibility that you can go straight to a unit ?
You could go straight to a unit if you have the right hook.

You can but more than likely you wont see anything above Capt. Unless, youre boys with the right people

Leslie · Guru

Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.

You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Leslie wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck

Plus you get the duty a lot more often if you go to housing or transit

RookieScum4Life · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
Leslie wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
The truth to your question is it depends on who is pc/calling shots personnel wise. When ONeil was around u were going to patrol housing transit or db w no exceptions for chiefs requesting. Now you can go straight to detail. Lt went back to community affairs and labor relations just past promotions.
You can get retained if youre in a spot that can justify having to retain you. Other than that you need a huge crane to get out especially if you go to psb. Hint hint go to hsg or tb.. however XO hrs suck worse while in Hsg and TB. Goodluck
Plus you get the duty a lot more often if you go to housing or transit

Non-PSB command executives do 2 (or 3) duties a month depending on which boro you do them in.

Transit has its own Duty Captain from Transit on every tour daily, but it's nothing compared to patrol duty.

-- Edited by RookieScum4Life on Thursday 1st of February 2024 05:04:50 AM

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Whats a top pay Capt make now a days ?

Truthseeker · Guru

About 210k without night diff

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Truthseeker wrote:
About 210k without night diff

I saw a 236k number thrown around is that with night diff

Truthseeker · Guru

Prob at end of contract. I went off of todays numbers without 20 years on and no night diff

brooklynbacon · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
About 210k without night diff
I saw a 236k number thrown around is that with night diff

End of contract in 2026 its 234k walking in the door at top pay with no night diff.

Truthseeker · Guru

Its 232 actually but thats with 20 year longevity and 25 years otj which accounts for over 3k

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Is it true its frowned upon when captains and above take all their vacation days in a year ?

Truthseeker · Guru

If you need to ask if something is frowned upon as an executive, just know that its frowned upon. Unless youre an anointed one then you can pretty much do anything and get away w anything. For everyone else its a career stopper. Welcome to the game

wereinbacklog · Guru

HopeBoss wrote:
Is it true its frowned upon when captains and above take all their vacation days in a year ?

Lol not at all but it depends on position. A CO of a command is expected to be in on certain holidays so normally you don't take vacation around them.