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Sgt pay scale steps


Top pay cop is $87,211 but that's with the 2.25 NCO pay. From my understanding of the contract that 2.25 % is only for PBA members. Therefore when you get promoted your salary would only be $85,292 which is less than a entry level sergeant. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

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In the Sgt class and spoke to Mullins directly today, from his mouth and backed up by the rest of the board which was present. All NEW sgts will go to the next step which is more than base top pay cop (if contract ratified) which would be step 4 (aka year 3).

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so less time to top pay or do we stay at that step for 2 years?

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It could take months for this to be ratified...but are they gonna go based on base top pay or base top pay + NCO diff

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What about the 3 month Sgt's????? All new you mean graduating bmoc this month or all newly promoted that make less then POs?



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Not gonna take that long if the city has a set date of march 15 to pay out nco bump and with that bump a rookie sgt will make less than a top pay cop step three is 86700 and with the nco bump they will be over 87000 so bottom line you will make less than your top pay cops for a year until you get the 3% in march 2018 #sucks smh

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Wow. So Ed said that all Sgt promotions from here on out will start at the last step before top pay? Because for March 30, 2017 the last step before top pay is $88,045... Step just under that is $86,769. What a home-run for promotees over the next few months before that possibly gets 'adjusted'.... That's a BIG deal if accurate.

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Any Sgt who makes less than a cop it applies to. Mullins said if its ratified and you don't get a bump to be above the cops, you have to call the sba immediately. Of course he said they are going to press the city to also get the 2.25 differential. As far as being at step four for 3 years or making top pay the following year, he said its all on if the city changes it which he said is 50/50 and couldn't give a definite on.

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It's accurate, today was SBA day at class

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Step 3 is 86728 step four is the 88 would

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Now that makes sense let's hope it's true 



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The only way this WOULDN'T apply is if the City immediately gave Sgt's the 2.25% Neighborhood Policing Differential... Cuz I believe that would probably push pay over $87,200.... Starting Sgt would then be $88,721 as of March 30, 2017.  Also, it looks like it would be a short window for promotions to take advantage of that benefit, because as of March 30, 2018 starting Sgt pay is $88,943.



-- Edited by que1999 on Thursday 2nd of February 2017 08:37:36 PM

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If I was the SBA I wouldn't accept that. Since this works out better for newly promoted sergeants. Just 1 year to Top Pay for the members

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What about Sgt's who were promoted in 2016?

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NYFINEST25 wrote:

If I was the SBA I wouldn't accept that. Since this works out better for newly promoted sergeants. Just 1 year to Top Pay for the members


 It depends.  I'm sure the majority of SBA members are top pay.  So, if you're looking for something that will benefit your senior AND majority membership...  They may take the 2.25% as soon as possible, if offered, as opposed to looking to chop a few steps off their rookie membership.  Of course that would suck if you're a rookie Sgt, but it is what it is.  You have to look at the big picture.



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What Ed means is that you would go to the higher pay scale but it will still take 4 years to top pay . I guess people were sleeping at BMOC today 



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What about Sgts that were promoted in 2015 and 2016 they will be under top pay cops

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At a meeting yesterday they said top pay cop is at 85,000 and change... only with the nco diff it brings it up to 87000 and change so essentially they said top pay is still below bottom pay sgt and we couldnt do anything about that

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You can't take a pay cut on a promotion so they would  have move everyone to a higher salary.  But the number of steps stay the same.



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Caballo Loco wrote:

You can't take a pay cut on a promotion so they would  have move everyone to a higher salary.  But the number of steps stay the same.


That's not really how steps work.  Kinda like the Detective to top pay Sgt thing.  You would start at a specific step on the pay scale, based on what your previous salary was, and continue up the steps from that point.  To start you at last step before top pay Sgt, and then say it would take 4 years to reach top pay doesn't make any sense at all.



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Yea it doesn't make sense.. if you go straight to fourth step.. you can wait on the step for 4 years.. it doesn't make sense. You will have to move to next step.. which is Top Pay.

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Caballo Loco wrote:

What Ed means is that you would go to the higher pay scale but it will still take 4 years to top pay . I guess people were sleeping at BMOC today 


 Well, I wasn't sleeping. Direct quote from Mullins "if the pba votes to ratify and the contract goes into effect, all members making less than 87,211 (top pay cop w/ the %2.25) will go to the step which puts them above that." Which happens to be as of March 31, step 4 at 88,045. Further more, you will remain at that step for the 3 years it should have taken to get there before going to step 5 (top pay) UNLESS the city allows otherwise which he said has happened before. 



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Cool thanks

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I don't think the NCO pay will carry over once your promoted, therefore your salary is 85,200 which is below base pay sergeant.

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If the NCO pay does carry over then it would force the city to give it to all Sergeants.

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What a mess lol

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That's the only way to describe this. A mess.

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Playing devils advocate, it is entirely possible the contract gets ratified and implemented prior to March 31 when the 2.5 raise kicks in for Sgts, then the only step higher than a cop would be top pay (after the NCO differential starts on March 15) lol
Hope the sba gets off their ass and gives some clarity in the coming weeks.


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Think we would get an email or Something

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Top pay for cop on March 15 2017 will be 87,211 so we would have to go to step 4

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That's wrong 



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New Hire Salary Schedule

  • New salary steps will be effective for members hired on or after March 15, 2017
  • Same number of steps with no stretch out, with changes to step amounts: 
 New ScheduleNew Schedule +
Neighborhood Policing Differential
First 1.5 years$42,500$43,456.25
After 1.5 years$45,000$46,012.50
After 2.5 years$46,000$47,035.00
After 3.5 years$47,000$48,057.50
After 4.5 years$51,000$52,147.50
After 5.5 years$85,292$87,211.07



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Thank you



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It's accurate, today was SBA day at class


I know you're just reporting what you were told, and I hope it works out for us, but I think the simplest and most likely outcome is that the City will basically say: "a top pay cop's base salary is actually 85292, not 87211 because the NCO pay is not part of the salary, its a bonus. Therefore, you're good, keep quiet"

All they'd have to do is wait us out for one year when ALL SGTS will be paid more than a top pay cop...what do they care that we'd be annoyed and complaining for one year? They let the PBA kick and scream for years. The political environment is not in the favor police (to say the least) so NO ONE will cry for us. 

I mean think about it, why does that 85,292 number even exist other than to be stated as the base salary of a top pay cop? No cop will ever actually be paid that number, since ALL PBA members get the nco bonus regardless of their assignment, making their actual pay 87211. It's only real purpose is to be separated from salary as a negotiation tool against higher ranks (SBA) who will want to use that 87k+ number as a negotiation sticking point to elevate their own pay.

I could be missing something, and I actually hope I am, but I've been on this job too long to expect the city to be anything less cheap when it comes to $

Again, I hope it works out for us, but eh idk.



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Mymy two cents in all this is the new cop top pay of 85,500 actually started August 1 of 2016. On August 1 of 2016 sergeants starting salary was 84,500 I believe. So retroactively if the SGT. union sued or made a request I think the city would be forced to fix the salary steps for the SBA or eliminate the steps for anyone hired between now and then. That is my educated guess.

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I smell a anther lawsuit

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Come on,
Someone say something lol

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You are addicted to checking the forum, get yourself some help, maybe pick up a new hobby lol

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No way in hell are rookie sgt gonna be bumped to top pay just because of the pay differential....wishful thinking on the part of a lot of you guys but the city ain't doing us any favors. What sounds more realistic is that you will be bumped to the next higher step and then remain there for the X amount of years you had left before reaching top pay sgt. No matter when you got promoted the only thing that changes would be how much time you have to wait till top pay. So the new Sgt's would have to wait their full term till top pay at the step above top pay cop and if you got promoted in 2016 like someone asked you will have to wait one less year than the rookie sgt at the step before top pay

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Mullins did say at this point we will jump to the 3rd step. That however can easily change if they make timely adjustments but the guys did relay information straight from the SBA



-- Edited by VerZa on Thursday 9th of February 2017 05:18:01 PM

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And yes they said the wait to top pay will be the same no matter what unless the city messes up. 



-- Edited by VerZa on Thursday 9th of February 2017 05:19:50 PM

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What abput promoted already!!!



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Yea that's what I'm saying the wait will be the same....if you have been promoted already then you might be at a step that does not affect you....if it affects you then you will fall in line with the rest of the the rookie Sgt's and be bumped up....that's the only logical thing but my delegate specifically said that there's a clause in our contract that does not allow us to re negotiate

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If we skipped three salary steps how would we not go to top pay the following year? The contract specifies salary steps it doesn't say we MUST do 4 years. If we skip steps the next step should be the following step which is top pay. If I am wrong someone please correct me and find it in the contract like what page because it would be a royal screw job if we skip three steps only to stay for 4 years at the same rate  and the contract doesn't specify it



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OhGawd wrote:

If we skipped three salary steps how would we not go to top pay the following year? The contract specifies salary steps it doesn't say we MUST do 4 years. If we skip steps the next step should be the following step which is top pay. If I am wrong someone please correct me and find it in the contract like what page because it would be a royal screw job if we skip three steps only to stay for 4 years at the same rate  and the contract doesn't specify it



-- Edited by OhGawd on Saturday 11th of February 2017 02:55:30 PM


 Yes I think your correct. This is the same reason detectives go straight to top pay. 



-- Edited by Drink the koolade on Saturday 11th of February 2017 05:12:28 PM

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No you are not going straight to top pay. You will be going to the next higher salary step and stay there until the fourth year. Someone in here mentioned that the SBA president stated that himself but some of you wanna be in denial. As for the case with detectives going to top pay Sgt. well that is totally  different situation because there is no step between 3rd grade Detective and top pay Sgt which is not the case here. 

Keep in mind that there are other contractual factors as to why you need to wait 4 years to top pay Sgt besides the money . Also know that the PBA got that additional NCO money by giving back  some benefits of the unborn . If anything the pay scale issue will be rectified by the SBA in future contracts but for now it seems like the number of steps are going to remain the same .



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When does the new PBA contract kick in?

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Caballo Loco wrote:

No you are not going straight to top pay. You will be going to the next higher salary step and stay there until the fourth year. Someone in here mentioned that the SBA president stated that himself but some of you wanna be in denial. As for the case with detectives going to top pay Sgt. well that is totally  different situation because there is no step between 3rd grade Detective and top pay Sgt which is not the case here. 

Keep in mind that there are other contractual factors as to why you need to wait 4 years to top pay Sgt besides the money . Also know that the PBA got that additional NCO money by giving back  some benefits of the unborn . If anything the pay scale issue will be rectified by the SBA in future contracts but for now it seems like the number of steps are going to remain the same .


 What are those factors? honestly not being a dick. Lol



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When does the new PBA contract kick in?


  ballots went out Friday I think. 



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