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wereinbacklog · Guru

How is this test getting graded?

bngeek · Senior Member

Only 16 in basket. I don't think I've ever seen so few in past exams.

130 questions, 30 of which are for "research purposes". The 30 questions look exactly like any of the other 100 questions that DO count and they are distributed randomly throughout the exam.

How are people supposed to know which ones they really need to go back to doublecheck if they don't know which ones count?? That's a bit ridiculous.

Really makes me wonder what genius decided this would be a good way to do "research."

-- Edited by bngeek on Saturday 19th of October 2013 09:54:48 PM

Semp1 · Guru

The 30 questions were already chosen. You the test taker do not know which were not good DCAS already knows. It's DCAS' way of preventing cheating for LOD and active service make ups and religious test days. I heard the test was very difficult and all interim orders with only 16 in baskets. And all 130 were patrol guide questions. DCAS definitely took liberty to experiment with this test. Going to be interesting.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Saturday 19th of October 2013 10:57:46 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Saturday 19th of October 2013 11:30:04 PM

Semp1 · Guru

Scammer045 wrote:
This is what I think. There are always questions that are thrown out in every exam. They will probably exclude the questions that can possibly be thrown out so that no one gets any free points.

The 30 questions were already chosen. DCAS isn't trying to do favors by giving people easy ones they are trying to prevent cheating.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Saturday 19th of October 2013 11:31:50 PM

Semp1 · Guru

sixmonthwonder wrote:
If anything this gives the late test takers a bigger advantage than usual. Now they know the test has 30 extra randomly placed questions and none of you did. Your friend and his crew must not be too bright Sargtest246

The point is they can't come on these forums and find out what questions were confusing because there's a good chance those questions won't count since the questions that do not count have already been pre determined.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 20th of October 2013 01:46:09 AM

JudgeDredd · Senior Member

How do you decide which 100 out of 130 is good?

So can I have gotten 99 questions right but failed because 30 of those are not be counted???

brat4914 · Guru

wow - 30 extra questions????? This isnt going to be good

Gamblor · Senior Member

JudgeDredd wrote:
How do you decide which 100 out of 130 is good?
So can I have gotten 99 questions right but failed because 30 of those are not be counted???

There is no way to know which 30 were their test questions until they tell us.

que1999 · Senior Member

From what I heard the exam was 130 questions. 30 DO NOT count..... But those 30 were randomly integrated into the exam. So only 100 questions will be graded. Wow.

JudgeDredd · Senior Member

The 30 extra were patrol guide questions also.

bngeek · Senior Member

Oh, and another important note that some people might have missed:

DCAS is no longer posting up or providing a Proposed Test Key like that have in the past. It says it right there on the green copy of the answers you took home. They will not allow you to get a copy of your official answers (bubblesheet) either.

The only way to see the answers it to make an appointment and attend the protest session.

seamus · Senior Member

How do they get away with adding 33% more questions and giving the same amount of time? Was rushing hard through the last 40 questions.

Stanza · Senior Member

they just created a big bag of sh*t

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Who decides which 100 to count and which 30 not to? I mean does it get curved in a way to allow people with connections to pass? I know that sounds paranoid, but between military and Sabbath Observers, already enough people get an unfair advantage. This just seems like another unfair way to administer an exam...

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Glad I passed the last test, I would have been pissed!

bngeek · Senior Member

When I take exams, I like to go through them once quickly. The answers that I'm confident with, I don't mark. The ones that require more time for me to read more carefully and double/triple check, I mark off. I finish the exam, then I go back and slowly go through everything.

Throwing in 30 extra questions without letting me know which ones count and don't count is a good way to make me waste time if I marked for review questions that don't count. Ugh.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I'm on the current list. I hope it all works out for everyone. I spoke to 2 of my pals. They are furious.

33fornow · Veteran Member

Guys I was on the belief that the test was 100 questions and at the end there would be 30 survey questions. My fault I know but wish I would have scanned packed when I first was able to.
I stressed out when I had a hour left and looked to see 30 more actual exam questions. I still have a good feeling about this test though. Also our class started 15 minutes or so late!!! Anyone else that happen to?

que1999 · Senior Member

It seems they're doing whatever they want with these promotional exams lately. That last Lt exam and now this 130-question disaster. LOL.

Sargtest246 · Veteran Member

I didn't take this exam, I'm already a sgt, but A buddy of mine did help write this exam AND the reason they added 30 extra questions and did not tell you what ones is so the people taking it tom or next week or next month will have a harder time CHEATING on this exam and getting questions from friends.. As far as not giving extra time, yeah that seems unfair.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Well the cheating aspect is one thing, but can you imagine if someone got 99 correct answers, but got the 31 wrong that caused him/her to fail? I mean 99 out of 130 would be about 76%, but yet you could still fail to make the list?

Wheresthelist · Guru

This is only my opinion but with all the throw out from the last captain and LT test my thought is there will be NO throw outs or double answers on this test. There are 30 extra questions to use as valid questions to score this exam. If they have issues with 20 questions they can just make them part of the 30 research questions then eliminate 10 additional questions. In the end I feel there will be 100 single answers on the official answer key.

Wanabmade · Senior Member

Wow I'd be pissed too! How is this even gonna work?! Mad protests for sure and rightfully so.

BoogieDownMarine · Senior Member

I agree with Stanza, they just created a huge shlt sandwich that they will have to take a bite out of. I still don't understand how anyone in DCAS in their right mind thought that adding an extra 30 questions and keeping the SAME TIME LIMIT would be fair and wouldn't raise any issues!!

wereinbacklog · Guru

Im hearing that the packet clearly stated that only the first 100 questions will be graded therefore the last 30 were experimental.

seamus · Senior Member

whoever came up with the decision to add 30 more questions and ZERO extra time, please die. Thanks

bngeek · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
Im hearing that the packet clearly stated that only the first 100 questions will be graded therefore the last 30 were experimental.

Negative. Packet stated it was distributed throughout the exam.

seamus · Senior Member

Packet CLEARLY stated that they would be mixed in randomly throughout the test.

Scammer045 · Veteran Member

This is what I think. There are always questions that are thrown out in every exam. They will probably exclude the questions that can possibly be thrown out so that no one gets any free points.

seamus · Senior Member

Also, the mayors executive order question was around 110

andrew18 · Newbie

Just another way to manipulate pass/fail numbers of candidates they want for promotion. Spending too much time of the in basket for only 16 question, when you have 114 other questions. I hope none of the in basket were experimental questions and don't count because that would mean we wasted even more time. Anyone notice the duplicate question? So if anyone gets that wrong does it count twice against them?...Or if they get it right does that count twice?....lol what a joke to determine who should be a supervisor. First they mess with the Lieutenant exam with the moral questions, now the Sergeants with 130 questions, whats next? health exams?

Thanks for letting me rant!

Be safe everyone

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

So in theory, someone with 70 out of 130, about 54% could make this list and someone with 99 out of 130, about 76%, could fail? All depends on which 30 questions "don't count". Well was it at least fair as in the questions that were on it? I mean was it an overly tricky or unfair exam besides the excessive dummy questions like dummy rounds that won't mean anything?

Wingnut · Senior Member

I hope the duplicate question were both "research" because I got it wrong!

Refund · Member

Was it stated in NOE that 70 is needed to get on the list?

sumadre23 · Veteran Member

I don't understand how they cannot give you additional time when they add 30 more questions. Luckily, I didn't have to rush but I only finished with about 20 minutes to spare.

andrew18 · Newbie

What if you protest a question?

"Thanks for your argument officer, but were not counting that question anyway."

hollar · Guru

What about forcing everyone to take exam on the same day to prevent cheating or having 30 different questions on both exams? DCAS

Wingnut · Senior Member

"You must achieve at least 70.000 to pass the test. "

CryTwoSeven · Guru

More bang for your buck lol

sixmonthwonder · Guru

If anything this gives the late test takers a bigger advantage than usual. Now they know the test has 30 extra randomly placed questions and none of you did. Your friend and his crew must not be too bright Sargtest246.

Semp1 · Guru

Refund wrote:
Was it stated in NOE that 70 is needed to get on the list?

Yes. I have he NOE. It clearly states that and also states that there would be the 30 questions for research purposes.

ManHands · Senior Member

How quickly can we get a respectable answer key here ? Lol I just want to know how I did. The 30 extra questions was a kick in the nuts, I am sure a lot of people lost points due to rushing but other than that the exam was straight down the middle.

Semp1 · Guru

Yes but how do you get a respectable answer key when you have no idea what questions are being graded? This is the dilemma.

JudgeDredd · Senior Member

This is crazy. My friend and I compared our answer keys and we have 50 different answers. So if I were to assume that his answer key is 100% correct then I could have an 80 or a 50 depending on what counts.

justanothercop · Member

How amazing is this?? Same time 6 hours for this exam, extra 30 random questions for "research purposes" and you still need a 70 to pass!!! Does this mean that we have less TIME for this exam or that we will have genius future sergeants?? Everything looks crystal clear. Thank you dcas! Amazing test style!!!???

Jay77 · Veteran Member

It does NOT say 30 questions on the NOE

justanothercop · Member

How does everyone know which are the 30 research questions not counted and which are the 100 questions counted??? We dont know! There is no answer sheet posted anymore and nobody tells us which questions are counted or not...

Semp1 · Guru

Jay77 wrote:
It does NOT say 30 questions on the NOE

You are right. It just mentions the research questions. Doesn't give a number.

33fornow · Veteran Member

JudgeDredd wrote:
This is crazy. My friend and I compared our answer keys and we have 50 different answers. So if I were to assume that his answer key is 100% correct then I could have an 80 or a 50 depending on what counts.

Exactly! I have been thinking about this...plus we are not gonna get the results in 5 weeks online like so many past exams.

That guy · Member

NYPD can't get much right these days. How hard is it to give out a 100 question multiple choice test? Why try and get cute about it? Does FDNY do this crap for their promotional exams?