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kaki1723 wrote:

Your efforts are very much appreciated.

These are my results:

Best possible: 100

Most likely: 77

Worst possible: 70

How should I feel about this???


 You either passed or failed.



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hmmm... I guess i am missing something... because without knowing which are the 30 experimental questions the variable is too big to have it accurate...



-- Edited by MJV231 on Monday 21st of October 2013 10:06:41 PM

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Gamblor wrote:

Wow, I woke up this morning to a massive amount of keys and requests. I did as many as I could but apparently I can't take an eday to sit at my computer all day and type in abacadaba. :)

I sent responses to those that I got to and will do more this afternoon. If you asked me for your results, be patient and I will definitely get back to you today. I will also post an updated key this afternoon with a ton more source keys in it.


 This is an outrage!  What could you be possibly doing today that would be a greater service to this city than entering letters into a spreadsheet?!aww

 

Seriously though, thank you so much for taking the time to do it.  You have absolutely nothing to gain from it other than our thanks.  Real stand up stuff.



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unborn wrote:
kaki1723 wrote:

Your efforts are very much appreciated.

These are my results:

Best possible: 100

Most likely: 77

Worst possible: 70

How should I feel about this???


 You either passed or failed.

 

Time will tell jeez lol.  I had a total of 29 different answers 12 of which were in the low/moderate. 


 



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Best Possible100
Most Likely78
Worst Possible70

woot, feel much better.



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MJV231 wrote:

hmmm... I guess i am missing something... because without knowing which are the 30 experimental questions the variable is too big to have it accurate...



-- Edited by MJV231 on Monday 21st of October 2013 10:06:41 PM


 So, the 30 research questions make this much more difficult, however, some assumptions can be made.

1) The research questions are similar in form, difficulty, and substance as non-research questions.

2) The research questions are placed randomly throughout the exam.

 

#2 has been confirmed by DCAS, and #1 seems very likely judging by feedback from people that took the test.  As such, it stands to reason that you have the same chance of answering a research question correctly, or incorrectly, as a non-research question.  With that, I can deduce the statistical probability of X number of research questions being within the questions you have wrong, where X varies depending on how many you answered incorrectly.

 

Will it be accurate for everyone? No.  However, it should be pretty close for most people.


 Thank you gamblor, makes sense... one thing that everyone on this forum will agree on is that DCAS are a bunch of idiots.. lol



-- Edited by MJV231 on Monday 21st of October 2013 10:54:40 PM

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Just plugged in my numbers, got
Best: 100
Most likely: 74
Worst: 65


 i got almost same exact =/

best 99

most likely 74

worst 65



-- Edited by Nay on Monday 21st of October 2013 11:11:50 PM

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Best 100
Most likely 87
Worst possible 82

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Ok.. I did it this way on my own breakdown but with obvious help from the great spreadsheet.

I counted 1-100, I got a 30 wrong!

1-130, I got 45 wrong total.

Too close to comfort but I am content with it.



-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:25:44 AM

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Carol, my numbers were around the same as you.  I felt a lot more comfortable after I went through each question one by one and compared it to the other answers. I determined that at MAX I would have 28 wrong out of 130.  About 5 of those were 50/50 on the answers, and just by normal percentages at least a few of my wrong answers had to be part of the research questions.  I felt like I was on the 70 bubble with the initial number thrown out there, but now I feel that I am comfortably around 80.



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Yeah?

I thought I have a chance too, the onlyyyyy problem is, which of those 45 are the toss outs? Lol.

My luck is not exactly spot on. If its strictly 1-100, I have a 98% chance I passed, not including any toss outs from general protest(usually 2-3). If its 1-130 and I didn't get any experiments tossed, I'm toast. If 15 are experiments, I'm good.

That's the factor.

If I was 30 and under different across the board, I can say I am basically guaranteed to pass. Unfortunently I am literally 50/50 lol.

 

From Questions 101-130, I have "15 wrong" in comparison to the posted key.



-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:40:15 AM

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32forLife wrote:
yougonow wrote:

Ok.. I did it this way on my own breakdown but with obvious help from the great spreadsheet.

I counted 1-100, I got a 30 wrong!

1-130, I got 45 wrong total.

Too close to comfort but I am content with it.
-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:25:44 AM


 start studying for next one buddy


 I disagree... I think you have a chance with 45. Anything more than that is prob out of luck. There are a guaranteed 30 questions not counting, and then consider a few thrown out. There's always a chance. 


I only got to finished 112.

on the first 100 I got   84/100 and adding the next 12.   94/112.   So that makes me  94/130. What do u think 



-- Edited by Arrow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:43:20 AM

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Ooopps.



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www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

APPEAL THE 30 Randomly mixed in "Survey Questions" -- letter to DCAS COMMISSIONER - Takes Less than 5 minutes.... Pass this link on to everyone you know who took the exam and actually cares about passing


i just personally wrote to DCAS on that website in the message posted above by carman728 and I encourage everyone to voice your opinion since not all of you will attend the protest review session like myself:

To Whom it May Concern,
The 2013 NYPD sgt test#3539 was an unfair collaboration and abomination of a city promotional exam with 30 extra survey questions and the failure to allot extra time for those said questions. Our career is being tossed around like we are guinea pigs in a horrible lab experiment gone awry. Many of us studied for months, put our personal lives on hold, and paid in excess of a thousand dollars for promotional tutoring classes when we originally signed up for a 100 question test, which places a vast majority of us in a precarious situation of failing since many test takers did not even finish the entire exam unrighteously due in part to lack of time. As of now, there are too many variables factored in and the majority of the test takers expect an answer regarding these so-called survey questions. Will we be provided with their identity and purpose at the protest review and receive a breakdown of how they affect our test scores? We are entitled to an explanation of this unjust practice!

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I agree it is very useful. BUT, I think the reliability of the scores changes drastically for some people based on what the "research" questions are.



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Where are the answer keys


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sosgunner, just go to the first post on this thread and enter them into the excel program link

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Seamus regardless of what the research questions are your worst score is generally your worst score regardless. If you got 20 wrong then the most wrong you can get is 20 wrong with research questions or not. Infact, for the most part if your score differs it will probably be for the better seeing as our of those 20 wrong at least 5 are probably research.

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100 % agree manhands. The worst is going to be very accurate. But your actual score could vary quite a bit. If you have 30 possible wrong answers, your grade could be anywhere from 70-100. Now, I don't think I will be THAT drastic for anyone, but you could very well have one person who has 30 wrong end up with a 75, and another person who has 30 wrong end up with an 85.



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I got a 69 on the 2011 test as well. #97 is burned into my brain forever. Grammar question and I got it wrong. Difference between stationary and stationery was the difference between me being on the list and not.

 

** No need for the snide "What happened to the other 30 you got wrong?"  I know.  hahah **



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Thank you biggrin, I feel a bit more at ease....I'll be more satisfied in about 5 weeks... Let's see what DCAS has to say. 



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The reality is that the 30 questions do come into play but at the end of the day if you have 20 questions wrong those will stay wrong regardless of whether they are research questions or not. Best case scenario those wrong questions are part of the research and get eliminated so your score will go up.



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sadly i have 31 wrong. i might be the unlucky one =(.

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I had someone tell me this "30 research" questions which don't count add "31" which if you got wrong means you would fail a (100) based test. Goes on to say add the two = 61 if you got 61 or more question wrong out of the total 130 you failed. Help me out here does that sound right to you guys?

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If you got 61 wrong, yes you definitely failed the test. Even if all 30 of the research questions were your wrong answers, you would still have 31 more wrong answers. On the other hand you could still fail with only 31 wrong out of the 130.



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This blows lol I got 86 "right" 4 that I have moderate for but my choice is the top choice and and 8 that can go either way. no



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Here's what I see happening. After conferring with my colleague at work, we both agreed that this likely scenario will play or can be played out.

Who is to say and how is DCAS going to argue this..

We got an experiment question right, why is it NOT being counted? Why is the experiement question not counted which is correct and my regular exam question is penalizing me because it is wrong.

You guys with me on this???

They don't care how much money or time we spent on this exam. It's a $$$ business in their eyes.

I just want them to argue how can a experiment CORRECT ANSWER not count...? Other than "well, they were predetermined".

There has to be something veryodd with this exam. I am willing to bet a curve is going to happen, or was planned.l



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I got a Mac. What app from the App Store would this work on?

I don't see excel in the App Store:

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Su Madre 24 wrote:

I got a Mac. What app from the App Store would this work on?

I don't see excel in the App Store:


 The spreadsheet isn't very mac friendly.  It will open on Numbers or OpenOffice, but I don't think everything will work.



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They have Excel for mac... thats exactly what i have



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It's a very good job. God bless him for taking his time and do this for all of us, total strangers.

 

Its the best we can use at the moment. No matter how perfected it gets or can get, for most of us it's a coin toss.



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New version available now. Link on first post. Added almost double the number of source keys.

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Arrow wrote:

I only got to do 112 questions

my best possible 94

Most likely 72

Worst 63 

 

83 high

8 moderate

3 low

whats in it for me gamblor?



-- Edited by Arrow on Monday 21st of October 2013 07:17:31 PM


 That's a good score for not answering 18 questions.



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I'm so stress out over this I can't even sleep. These civilians played with out time, lives and career



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You guys are killing yourselves over an "unofficial answer key." Just mail in your protest slips and within 5 weeks you guys can view the proposed answer key.



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by the way, how do i copy my answers and paste from old one?


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The new updated spreadsheet shows my friend with just 20 wrong out of 130 so whatever his grade is...he's trending well. Good for him

I don't got excel so I don't his best worst and likely scores

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What do you guys think they will do with the double question, assuming it was not a research question? Do you get two points if you got it right, do you get a minus two if you got it wrong?

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New version available now. Link on first post. Added almost double the number of source keys.


 Thanks so much for your email and your hard work in doing all this for us.

New update results put my most likely score and worst score up by a point.



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now i got -1 from last 39 keys =(

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Best is still 100
Most Likely 79
Worst 72

It's gone down a bit but the sample is double the size making it much more accurate.

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Why can I not see my most likely? And my worst has stayed the same for the last three keys at 74, so I am sure something is wrong with mines.

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updated out otf 112 questions. Don't know what to think gamblor

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My worst changed from 70 to 67, and most likely from 80 to 77??? Wonder my chances?? 27 total wrong to 31



-- Edited by 33fornow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 03:33:09 AM



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Still holding strong
Best 100
Most likely 87
Worst possible 82

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getting worst for me =( went down -5 points with a latest one, worst possible is 65 now and best is 99 =(

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Still holding steady with 29 wrong and 7 possibles that could swing my way.

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JudgeDredd wrote:

Still holding steady with 29 wrong and 7 possibles that could swing my way.


 What does your breakdown come out to?

Best ?
Most likely ?
Worst possible ?



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What's the other question?



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MJV231 wrote:

ok someone explain this to me please cause im going crazy and as much as i tell myself this cant be too accurate (not saying im not grateful gamblor) but the popular answer doesnt mean its the right answer... there are a couple of question there its marking incorrect because the majority picked something else. I know for a fact that 2 questions are being marked incorrect and they were correct... specifically question 4 which was the force figure question... i am extremely confident it was choice A. which was 41.. and there is another question which my colleague feels strongly about and explained it to me and i agreed i was wrong, and again that question is being marked incorrect because the popular answer is not the one that "is" correct.

so statistically what conclusion can we draw from the logarithm?

im sorry i have nothing better to do, i would have normally been studying... lol still trying to get use to the fact that i actually have nothing to do, while im home...

 

I wanted to add this.... the majority of the people are not getting 90 - 100... they are getting 70 - 80



-- Edited by MJV231 on Monday 21st of October 2013 09:01:24 PM


 

First, EVERYONE is always very confident of their force figure number. It's always a toss up between the four as to which is the most popular. It's basic statistics.. There is a high chance that the most popular answer is going to be correct. Mathematically, there's a good chance that even though a question you think you got right even though it's not the most popular, the opposite will occur nearly as often.  



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