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How big will the Lt’s List be? [113 vote(s)]

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RE: Official Lieutenant Prediction Thread


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Because they promoted all those Lts on that ridiculous last list.


 With that being said then the dept can over promote from allotted vacancies ?


 Theyve dont it before. they Over promoted sgts in 2017 to finish out the 2013 test/list. but they arent going to go crazy. Its like theres 10 vacancies and 20 people left on a list, ok promote the 20 and well be over by a few. 



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But how will the guy with 61 make it then? I say put a Sgt and a Lt in every car. Supervision for supervision.

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Spanish mama wrote:

But how will the guy with 61 make it then? I say put a Sgt and a Lt in every car. Supervision for supervision.


 In my command Ive had on more then one occasions to drive plt commander as a Sgt since we were short on cops



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But how will the guy with 61 make it then? I say put a Sgt and a Lt in every car. Supervision for supervision.


 In my command Ive had on more then one occasions to drive plt commander as a Sgt since we were short on cops


 Must be a transit thing lol



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My command cant even manage two supervisors for one tour. Forget about Sgt driving a Lt. A lot of times I go out without a driver in a busy Bronx shithole. 



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mike16 wrote:

My command cant even manage two supervisors for one tour. Forget about Sgt driving a Lt. A lot of times I go out without a driver in a busy Bronx shithole. 


That's a violation of our contract.  Never drive solo. Even if you have to break up a sector. Our safety comes first.



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Futureauxiliary wrote:
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Spanish mama wrote:

But how will the guy with 61 make it then? I say put a Sgt and a Lt in every car. Supervision for supervision.


 In my command Ive had on more then one occasions to drive plt commander as a Sgt since we were short on cops


 Must be a transit thing lol


 Nah my guy its a housing thing. If I was in transit Id have zero complaints 



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Housing is literally Transit in a building

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

Housing is literally Transit in a building


 Right. Except in actual transit you have no DV jobs and same old EDP locations you constantly coming back to plus there is overtime for everyone. 



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Housing and transit shouldnt even be cops. You could get security guards to do their jobs. They dont do anything all day. If a job is too heavy the precinct handles. When they cant control their shit they have to send precinct cops (Transit OT, all out).

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DetectorEfector wrote:

Housing and transit shouldnt even be cops. You could get security guards to do their jobs. They dont do anything all day. If a job is too heavy the precinct handles. When they cant control their shit they have to send precinct cops (Transit OT, all out).


 why the hate? did they deny your transfer?



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It should be a detail that you can put in for after 5 years of patrol.

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Oh yeah I deff put in to not see day light and hangout underground like a rat for 12 hours a day and kick out kids who dont pay their fare, drunks and edps. And ride around trains all day. standby by Ill be responding to that 13 with delay the J train is delayed. Sounds like a sick gig



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Yeah you the type of guy to write delivery guy on their scooters or getting bs 511 arrests over going after shooters in precinct. Real hero shyyyyt

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No offense, but were back to nonsense chatter. I like it better when this thread is silent for days.

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No1isbetter wrote:

No offense, but were back to nonsense chatter. I like it better when this thread is silent for days.


 people are getting more delirious by the day....

 

let the chips fall where they may



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DetectorEfector wrote:

Housing and transit shouldnt even be cops. You could get security guards to do their jobs. They dont do anything all day. If a job is too heavy the precinct handles. When they cant control their shit they have to send precinct cops (Transit OT, all out).


 There is no place here for any hate, this is your 1 warning. We are all on the same team, keep that garbage off this board.



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Lts list dropping first week of august

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WETBRAINEDGINGER wrote:

Lts list dropping first week of august


 Not a chance 



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Agreed not a chance they havent even started TVB yet. 



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Beta86 wrote:

Agreed not a chance they havent even started TVB yet. 


 Doesnt take long for TVB, second why not? Small amount of test takers vs a sergeant exam 



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It takes a while to finish the TVB.  You figure about 2400 test takers and approx 800 attended the protest-each of them protest 5-10 questions. That is 4000-8000 protests to review. Lets say 5 lieutenants are assigned to the TVB, that can take 2-4 months, especially if they get off patrol for a while and make overtime off the TVB. Why would they rush lol

On the bright side i did hear mid to late August for a list.  



-- Edited by Allout on Friday 7th of July 2023 12:43:05 PM

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Im sure it takes some time for the TVB to get finished. Im just wandering if there are really that many questions that were protested, I Know the session I attended was very empty. Not a lot of participation it seemed odd considering how terrible this test seemed and Im sure a lot of people just need a few points. Hopefully more people attended the other sessions.

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El Norte wrote:

Im sure it takes some time for the TVB to get finished. Im just wandering if there are really that many questions that were protested, I Know the session I attended was very empty. Not a lot of participation it seemed odd considering how terrible this test seemed and Im sure a lot of people just need a few points. Hopefully more people attended the other sessions.


 I made up the 800 number.  Just using it as a reference point.  The less submissions the faster the process.  



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How many years in Lt rank do you need to get promoted to captain? Please dont beat me up for asking. Just curious since hopefully we get a descent size list, that will make a difference on where people end up on the list being eligible if sone choose to take the next test.

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1 day in rank for test, 2 yrs for promotion I believe.

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Thanks for the info, I was really expecting to get beat up for the question. Many guys that took the test are at different points in their career. I tell my cops start early in this job is essential that you look ahead of time the years go by quickly and most here can tell you how important it is to see where you want to be when test day comes. Is funny how guys in the locker room will discourage others from taking tests and seeking a promotion, I dont want to be a boss because I dont want to get blamed for others mistakes and a thousand other excuses. The funny thing is most would not turn down a shield if it was offered to them on the spot. Especially with new contracts on all ranks.

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NauseousPBBN wrote:

1 day in rank for test, 2 yrs for promotion I believe.


 This is now incorrect. This used to be the way.  Read the notice of exam.  It now states if you are on an eliigible list you can take the exam. You no longer need the 1 day in rank.  My current command had someone who was recently assigned as new Lt.  This Lt took the captains exam as a Sgt., how you may ask ? because the rule changed. I will find it and post it.

 

 

The 2 years in rank  to be promoted still stands. 

 

 

 

NOTICE OF EXAMINATION


PROMOTION TO CAPTAIN (POLICE)

Exam No. 2558

WHEN TO APPLY: From: May 4, 2022

To: May 24, 2022

APPLICATION FEE: $101.00

 

 

ELIGIBILITY TO TAKE EXAMINATION:

This examination is open to each employee of the New York Police Department who on the first date of the multiple-choice test:

  • 1.
    holds a permanent (not provisional) competitive appointment or appears on a Preferred List (see Note, below) for the title of Lieutenant (Police); and
  • 2.
    is not otherwise ineligible.

(Note: A "Preferred List" is a civil service list which is only for certain former permanent incumbents of the eligible title who have rehiring rights.)

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ELIGIBILITY TO BE PROMOTED:In order to be eligible for promotion, you must have served permanently in the rank of Lieutenant (Police) in any one or combination of the New York City Police, Transit Police or Housing Authority Police Departments

READ CAREFULLY AND SAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE

Exam No. 2558 - Page 2

for at least two years, and have successfully completed the probationary period for Lieutenant (Police). Additionally, you must be permanently employed as a Lieutenant (Police) or your name must appear on a Preferred List for Lieutenant (Police) at the time of promotion.

Note: See EFFECTS OF A BREAK IN SERVICE section, below.



-- Edited by nycop80 on Saturday 8th of July 2023 01:45:35 PM

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Its always said preferred list, but being on the preferred list is not the same as the actual list. For our purposes you need to be a Lt first

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

Its always said preferred list, but being on the preferred list is not the same as the actual list. For our purposes you need to be a Lt first


 No, it did not always say that.  I just told you, they changed  how that works.  A new Lt in my.command was able to take the Captains exam as a SGT and it counts. Look up and older notice of exam and it does not say the same wording at all.



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nycop80 wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

1 day in rank for test, 2 yrs for promotion I believe.


 This is now incorrect. This used to be the way.  Read the notice of exam.  It now states if you are on an eliigible list you can take the exam. You no longer need the 1 day in rank.  My current command had someone who was recently assigned as new Lt.  This Lt took the captains exam as a Sgt., how you may ask ? because the rule changed. I will find it and post it.

 

 

The 2 years in rank  to be promoted still stands. 

 

 

 

NOTICE OF EXAMINATION


PROMOTION TO CAPTAIN (POLICE)

Exam No. 2558

WHEN TO APPLY: From: May 4, 2022

To: May 24, 2022

APPLICATION FEE: $101.00

 

 

ELIGIBILITY TO TAKE EXAMINATION:

This examination is open to each employee of the New York Police Department who on the first date of the multiple-choice test:

  • 1.
    holds a permanent (not provisional) competitive appointment or appears on a Preferred List (see Note, below) for the title of Lieutenant (Police); and
  • 2.
    is not otherwise ineligible.

(Note: A "Preferred List" is a civil service list which is only for certain former permanent incumbents of the eligible title who have rehiring rights.)

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ELIGIBILITY TO BE PROMOTED:In order to be eligible for promotion, you must have served permanently in the rank of Lieutenant (Police) in any one or combination of the New York City Police, Transit Police or Housing Authority Police Departments

READ CAREFULLY AND SAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE

Exam No. 2558 - Page 2

for at least two years, and have successfully completed the probationary period for Lieutenant (Police). Additionally, you must be permanently employed as a Lieutenant (Police) or your name must appear on a Preferred List for Lieutenant (Police) at the time of promotion.

Note: See EFFECTS OF A BREAK IN SERVICE section, below.



-- Edited by nycop80 on Saturday 8th of July 2023 01:45:35 PM


 Imagine being so confidently incorrect.

Being on the list does not make you eligible to take the next exam. That "Preferred List" deals with folks who resigned but have the ability to be rehired. Did you not even read what you posted as proof?



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Obey the guidelines or hell ban you

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Spanish mama wrote:

Obey the guidelines or hell ban you


 Rumor has it he whacked Satcom   Lmao that guy was a prince hHahaha



-- Edited by Allout on Saturday 8th of July 2023 05:06:49 PM

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I heard from my source a date for the sgt list drop and a number of 4K, though he was crazy.he was right about the number and off by a week for the drop. About 1 month ago he told me our list about 1200 and will be august-September. Obviously not gospel but he was on point with the SGts list so hes good in my book.

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Nice. Whats the historical average of promotions to Lt annually?



-- Edited by Spanish mama on Saturday 8th of July 2023 05:34:56 PM

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Its been about 200 a year historically thats why you usually wanted to be 800 or below on a list give or take, after COVID normal went out the window.

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countryroads wrote:
nycop80 wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:

1 day in rank for test, 2 yrs for promotion I believe.


 This is now incorrect. This used to be the way.  Read the notice of exam.  It now states if you are on an eliigible list you can take the exam. You no longer need the 1 day in rank.  My current command had someone who was recently assigned as new Lt.  This Lt took the captains exam as a Sgt., how you may ask ? because the rule changed. I will find it and post it.

 

 

The 2 years in rank  to be promoted still stands. 

 

 

 

NOTICE OF EXAMINATION


PROMOTION TO CAPTAIN (POLICE)

Exam No. 2558

WHEN TO APPLY: From: May 4, 2022

To: May 24, 2022

APPLICATION FEE: $101.00

 

 

ELIGIBILITY TO TAKE EXAMINATION:

This examination is open to each employee of the New York Police Department who on the first date of the multiple-choice test:

  • 1.
    holds a permanent (not provisional) competitive appointment or appears on a Preferred List (see Note, below) for the title of Lieutenant (Police); and
  • 2.
    is not otherwise ineligible.

(Note: A "Preferred List" is a civil service list which is only for certain former permanent incumbents of the eligible title who have rehiring rights.)

I


ELIGIBILITY TO BE PROMOTED:In order to be eligible for promotion, you must have served permanently in the rank of Lieutenant (Police) in any one or combination of the New York City Police, Transit Police or Housing Authority Police Departments

READ CAREFULLY AND SAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE

Exam No. 2558 - Page 2

for at least two years, and have successfully completed the probationary period for Lieutenant (Police). Additionally, you must be permanently employed as a Lieutenant (Police) or your name must appear on a Preferred List for Lieutenant (Police) at the time of promotion.

Note: See EFFECTS OF A BREAK IN SERVICE section, below.



-- Edited by nycop80 on Saturday 8th of July 2023 01:45:35 PM


 Imagine being so confidently incorrect.

Being on the list does not make you eligible to take the next exam. That "Preferred List" deals with folks who resigned but have the ability to be rehired. Did you not even read what you posted as proof?


 Incorrect,  I stated, twice already, someone of my current command took the newest Captain exam as a SGT because he was on the current LT list.  How many times do i need to explain it.  



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Is that person on capt list? Because if he just took it, means nothing. Yanosik was taking tests 10 years after here retired.

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Spanish mama wrote:

Is that person on capt list? Because if he just took it, means nothing. Yanosik was taking tests 10 years after here retired.


 He is not because he didnt pass the exam.  That is True.  



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nycop80, you've been around for a while and have been very reputable on this board but you are wrong. This has NOT changed and it has actually always been on the NOE's. It appears to just be something they have by default. I can't post the link, but google search exam 7532 (2017 lts exam). Says the same thing. I remember the 2014 lts exam and 2013 sgts exam said the same. Job has its own rules.

Also, some people register for exams and skip the system if dcas doesn't screen them. Your guy probably didn't get screened.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/dcas/downloads/pdf/noes/201707532000.pdf



-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 9th of July 2023 12:45:47 AM

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Many current Lt's just missed this past Captains exam because they weren't in rank. It happened to a lot of guys. You still need 1 day in rank. Im guessing you're in a unit and have been out of the loop for a while. Not knocking you or anything that's a great thing .. but that hasn't changed. We'd be seeing a TON more Sgt's on the Captains list if that was the case.

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TenFour16 wrote:

nycop80, you've been around for a while and have been very reputable on this board but you are wrong. This has NOT changed and it has actually always been on the NOE's. It appears to just be something they have by default. I can't post the link, but google search exam 7532 (2017 lts exam). Says the same thing. I remember the 2014 lts exam and 2013 sgts exam said the same. Job has its own rules.

Also, some people register for exams and skip the system if dcas doesn't screen them. Your guy probably didn't get screened.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/dcas/downloads/pdf/noes/201707532000.pdf



-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 9th of July 2023 12:45:47 AM


 Alright,  i guess it has always been there.  You definitely right about job and its rules. I guess the Lt at my command probably wasnt screened .  Makes sense .



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yankeefanhatebsox wrote:

I heard from my source a date for the sgt list drop and a number of 4K, though he was crazy.he was right about the number and off by a week for the drop. About 1 month ago he told me our list about 1200 and will be august-September. Obviously not gospel but he was on point with the SGts list so hes good in my book.


 I know weve been asking this question, but would your friend happen to have an idea as to the number of original passers? I know theres a reason why we still have to guess other things like curve, list release and throw outs, but original passers  someone has to have that number.



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We shouldnt have to guess anything. Everything should be publicly posted and explained. From original passers, to which questions were thrown out and why, to how many points each person got for what reason, to the curve, etc. Everything should be completely transparent.

They should have to explain how a person with a 57 is being promoted before a person that legitimately passed the test because of seniority.

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Vacancies as of 7/11/23

Sergeant 526 (3575 out of 4101)

Lieutenant 91 (1353 out of 1444)

Captains -14 (364 out of 350 with 19 on Terminal)

DI 41 (139 out of 180 with 13 on Terminal)

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Rumored list for mid to end of August ?

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Futureauxiliary wrote:

Rumored list for mid to end of August ?


 Is there any truth to this 



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Caralho wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:

Rumored list for mid to end of August ?


 Is there any truth to this 


 Hopefully someone with more info can chime in!



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Futureauxiliary wrote:
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Futureauxiliary wrote:

Rumored list for mid to end of August ?


 Is there any truth to this 


 Hopefully someone with more info can chime in!


 There has to be someone that can provide some insight on this. 



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