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Ticonderoga · Senior Member

RE: LT Exam Scores

GangGreenMets · Senior Member

Also what is the point of creating a difficult test, based off of obscure parts of the PG, when theyre just going to curve it anyway? Write a fair test, and stop with the curving nonsense.

TicketoutofNarco · Veteran Member

Idk whats more annoying.. - hearing the 2 people from my cmd that passed band together to not attend the protest or the 15 people that failed band together to get as much dismissed as possible.

crossingmyfingers · Veteran Member

I honestly dont even remember the questions, just the procedures so Im not really sure what obscure parts they went to. But if its a 5,4 and 3 or even lieutenants duties you should know that whole procedure cold, obscure or not. I see what youre both saying and I am all for a fair test but I do not agree on a 2000 person list. Besides the 17 test the lists were in the 600s normally and they dont promote lts often. In my opinion too if you just studied the packets you dont deserve to pass.

No1isbetter · Senior Member

Imagine telling people they dont deserve to pass because they didnt study the way you feel was correct. You all talk so much fkn nonsense. So much negativity. Everyone has their own methods to studying & everyone did it their own way. Some did packets & passed, some read the guide & passed. Who fkn cares. How about being a little more positive in here. How about we start being a little patient & wait for the email with the post-throw out scores. Then lets wait to see what happens with the curve. All this crap & opinions & no facts. Its like a big dick contest. Jesus.

TransitCop · Senior Member

Its easy to talk thrash when hes probably inside all day in his training Sgt spot while you out here running around between two crime scenes in two different divisions.

22andOut · Veteran Member

Seeing someone form Tranit call someone else out on scamming is kind of ironic, not gonna lie and if you are in fact running from crime scene to crime now, well welcome to the real job

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Fuck the promotion, just get into a nice detail

gmen18 · Senior Member

No1isbetter wrote:
Imagine telling people they dont deserve to pass because they didnt study the way you feel was correct. You all talk so much fkn nonsense. So much negativity. Everyone has their own methods to studying & everyone did it their own way. Some did packets & passed, some read the guide & passed. Who fkn cares. How about being a little more positive in here. How about we start being a little patient & wait for the email with the post-throw out scores. Then lets wait to see what happens with the curve. All this crap & opinions & no facts. Its like a big dick contest. Jesus.

people love gatekeeping including the test writers

TransitCop · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
Its easy to talk thrash when hes probably inside all day in his training Sgt spot while you out here running around between two crime scenes in two different divisions.

If I was a Sgt in transit I wouldnt worry about promotion. It was good while it lasted as a PO but you right no one in transit should dare to open their mouth about how hard they work.

VetteCop · Senior Member

2000 person LT list?!

only 2674 signed up... and even if EVERY single person who signed up took it (I doubt that) - that would equate to about a 75% "PASS RATE." Get out of here with that noise.

At this point, all these numbers are just mere speculation until FOIL requests come back. What actually helps is protesting questions... Whoever posted earlier that two in you command who passed banded together to not do the protest, I'm sure they're great Sergeants and will be fantastic Lieutenants. F'in morons.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Yeah guy, get over all that arbitrary # pass rate crap. If the job needs 2000 Lts the passing mark will be whatever it wants to get the amount of supervisors it needs. It doesnt care what a passing score was when you were in grade school.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Agreed. In recent exams passing score ranged in the upper 50s. We need concrete info

whereismy70 · Veteran Member

The hardest part of the process is waiting for those 6 months for the actual list. only then shall you guys know the truth. In the meantime, everyone should attend the protest session and fight for your points. Its one thing for you to read and understand a procedure. Another thing is to know a procedure you studied for and still fall for their trickery. Whats the whole point? it was never about being a good supervisor. Its about memorizing stupid lines on a book and not falling for the BS. Go fight for your points! And if you do get promoted two or 3 years later, you wont remember the crap anyway. So make it on the list anyway you can because the process doesnt matter.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

VetteCop wrote:
I know people who scored in the 90's... I know people who scored in the 30's... trust me when I tell you - you'd rather have some of the 30's-40's-50's be your boss...

Amazing point of view

TenFour16 · Guru

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Yeah guy, get over all that arbitrary # pass rate crap. If the job needs 2000 Lts the passing mark will be whatever it wants to get the amount of supervisors it needs. It doesnt care what a passing score was when you were in grade school.

I agree with this. Its all what the job wants in terms of numbers.

Any luck on a FOIL request response from anyone ?

brooklynbacon · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
2000 person LT list?!

only 2674 signed up... and even if EVERY single person who signed up took it (I doubt that) - that would equate to about a 75% "PASS RATE." Get out of here with that noise.

At this point, all these numbers are just mere speculation until FOIL requests come back. What actually helps is protesting questions... Whoever posted earlier that two in you command who passed banded together to not do the protest, I'm sure they're great Sergeants and will be fantastic Lieutenants. F'in morons.

After the curve, the passing rate of the Captains exam was exactly 60%.

If this list gets curved to have 1000 people then thats a 37% pass rate. A 60% pass rate would put this list at 1600 people.

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 11:27:28 AM

3testwonder · Senior Member

How many lts does the job want on the list?

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
2000 person LT list?!

only 2674 signed up... and even if EVERY single person who signed up took it (I doubt that) - that would equate to about a 75% "PASS RATE." Get out of here with that noise.

At this point, all these numbers are just mere speculation until FOIL requests come back. What actually helps is protesting questions... Whoever posted earlier that two in you command who passed banded together to not do the protest, I'm sure they're great Sergeants and will be fantastic Lieutenants. F'in morons.
After the curve, the passing rate of the Captains exam was exactly 60%.

If this list gets curved to have 1000 people then thats a 37% pass rate. A 60% pass rate would put this list at 1600 people.

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 11:27:28 AM

Considering the last LT list was 1324, i dont see a 1600 being out of the realm of possibility. I personally guessed a list of 1500 to be coming so 1600 isnt far off.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
2000 person LT list?!

only 2674 signed up... and even if EVERY single person who signed up took it (I doubt that) - that would equate to about a 75% "PASS RATE." Get out of here with that noise.

At this point, all these numbers are just mere speculation until FOIL requests come back. What actually helps is protesting questions... Whoever posted earlier that two in you command who passed banded together to not do the protest, I'm sure they're great Sergeants and will be fantastic Lieutenants. F'in morons.
After the curve, the passing rate of the Captains exam was exactly 60%.

If this list gets curved to have 1000 people then thats a 37% pass rate. A 60% pass rate would put this list at 1600 people.

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 11:27:28 AM
Dear bacon, wouldnt you agree that the size of the list is irrelevant? Isnt the real question how many LTs are they going to promote in the next 4 years? Obviously they are going to make a list that cant run less than 4 years. But if they need say 800 ( made up number) it doesnt matter if the list is 900 or 1200

TransitCop · Senior Member

There is a total of 1700 +\- LT on the job. Unless all of them retire this list should not be anything over 1200. Even then I doubt they will get to everyone.

-- Edited by TransitCop on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 01:05:09 PM

HopeBoss · Senior Member

brooklynbacon wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
2000 person LT list?!

only 2674 signed up... and even if EVERY single person who signed up took it (I doubt that) - that would equate to about a 75% "PASS RATE." Get out of here with that noise.

At this point, all these numbers are just mere speculation until FOIL requests come back. What actually helps is protesting questions... Whoever posted earlier that two in you command who passed banded together to not do the protest, I'm sure they're great Sergeants and will be fantastic Lieutenants. F'in morons.
After the curve, the passing rate of the Captains exam was exactly 60%.

If this list gets curved to have 1000 people then thats a 37% pass rate. A 60% pass rate would put this list at 1600 people.

-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 11:27:28 AM

Cant compare Lts to Capts though. Job was short for Capts, Lt is the only rank with no shortage but well see

West72 · Veteran Member

Currently

Sergeants 4243, 22% is 19years + (932)
Lieutenants 1740, 35% is 19years + (612)
Captains 348, 39% is 19years + (137)

Futureauxiliary · Guru

I think a list of 1300 is reasonable. There is always a chunk that gets jammed up, pass up promotion, retire, die, etc.

SATCOM · Senior Member

West72 wrote:
Currently

Sergeants 4243, 22% is 19years + (932)
Lieutenants 1740, 35% is 19years + (612)
Captains 348, 39% is 19years + (137)

Can you find out the percentage (Lieutenants) with 16+ years on the job?

-- Edited by SATCOM on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 01:33:19 PM

West72 · Veteran Member

1335 with 16years + (77%)

-- Edited by West72 on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 01:44:55 PM

22andOut · Veteran Member

West72 wrote:
Currently

Sergeants 4243, 22% is 19years + (932)
Lieutenants 1740, 35% is 19years + (612)
Captains 348, 39% is 19years + (137)

Wow, surprised the number of LTs with 19+ years on is that high. So realistically even if Half of those eligible put their papers in next year, youre talking about 300+ vacancies next year alone.

SATCOM · Senior Member

1335 Lieutenants with 16+ years

In the 4-year span of the list and considering they are all tier 2; figure half of the 1335 retire at 20 (667), another 300 get promoted to captain for a total close to 1000.

A 1000-person list is highly likely, almost definite.

Depending on the results of the protest coupled with a curve, I would argue people in the mid 60s have a strong chance. I think we can predict this based on the foil responses from DCAS. If the list is 250 like everyone is saying then low 60s might be the sweet spot. If it is in the 500s then mid to high 60s is most likely.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 02:22:40 PM

3testwonder · Senior Member

A 60 and above will bring it to 1000. A lott of people fall below 60

22andOut · Veteran Member

SATCOM wrote:
1335 with 16years + (77%)

In the 4-year span of the list and considering they are all tier 2; figure half of the 1335 retire at 20 (667), another 300 get promoted to captain for a total close to 1000

A 1000-person list is highly likely, almost definite.

Depending on the results of the protest coupled with a curve, I would argue people in the mid 60s have a strong chance.

Yeah, 1000-person list is very likely. And it will be a very bottom-heavy list with vast majority in low 80s - 70s after potential throw-outs and a curve. Some high scores here and there but majority of passers I know are in the 70s.

Hithattestwashard · Newbie

where are people hearing the 250/300 passing numbers from? is it rumor or is it from a legit source at this point?

SATCOM · Senior Member

Hithattestwashard wrote:
where are people hearing the 250/300 passing numbers from? is it rumor or is it from a legit source at this point?

All conjecture

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
There is a total of 1700 +\- LT on the job. Unless all of them retire this list should not be anything over 1200. Even then I doubt they will get to everyone.

-- Edited by TransitCop on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 01:05:09 PM

Last list 1324 names. Captains list is 480+names and theres only 355 captains. Like you said, just because they make a long list doesn't mean they will get to everyone.

Antonio · Newbie

I got a 49. 6-8 months of dedicated studying for a challenging/difficult exam - reading the actual guide + materials from class.

I expected & prepared for a difficult test not what most of us saw on test day. That was beyond trickery by DCAS/exam writers.

**Congratulations and my hat is off to all those that were able to pass this exam. Stay safe.

-- Edited by Antonio on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 05:42:57 PM

-- Edited by Antonio on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 05:44:47 PM

-- Edited by Antonio on Wednesday 29th of March 2023 05:45:13 PM

Ididntmakethecut · Veteran Member

I got a 50 on the test so its not worth protesting for me but also, how can you protest a difficult test that was fair? In my opinion, anyone in the 60s will make it. Good luck to all

Helloall · Veteran Member

Well written my friend you cant when it was fair Good luck to all

VetteCop · Senior Member

When's the last time ANY list actually died?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

When is this Foil coming out ?

TenFour16 · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
When's the last time ANY list actually died?

2006 Lts exam I believe

Tunit · Senior Member

Has anyone from The Key or Elite commented on this exam yet? Im interested to hear their take on it

brooklynbacon · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
When's the last time ANY list actually died?

In the last 20 years only one list had people die on it and it was a Lts list.

TenFour16 · Guru

The 2006 Lts list died due to the economic collapse of 2008-2009. Major hiring freeze.

BONESAWisREADY · Veteran Member

6 months till list is promulgated?

Lenny · Member

BONESAWisREADY wrote:
6 months till list is promulgated?

no way. 8? People left on previous list..

UrinalFly · Senior Member

I'd pay money to watch the Lts, who wrote this test, take this test and see how they do.

SillyGoose · Veteran Member

What is truly crazy is those that are on the street and responding to jobs saw and applied a lot of the procedures and have it down to a science. The test makers decided to go to obscure parts of the guide in order to eliminate as many people from passing the test instead of testing knowledge of different areas of the Patrol Guide. I would have rather they have a big list and cut it if need be so those that studied hard could get the credit they deserved studying day in and day out. What is the take away for the job in regards to the questions they asked? I will not put those questions because the makeups that will get 80s and 90s didnt take the test yet. A lot of sgts who took this test and studied hard have a clear take away and that this was a straight set up and a waste of valuable time for me. Congratulations to those who passed.

Braveheart · Senior Member

Tunit wrote:
Has anyone from The Key or Elite commented on this exam yet? Im interested to hear their take on it

Yes. Mike from elite recommended that everyone go to the protest and protest any bad or poorly written questions.

3testwonder · Senior Member

All questions were poor lol

Lenny · Member

Does anyone recall when the protest session will be held?

SillyGoose · Veteran Member

If they took a survey of how many inside people vs people that work in the streets it would be a great disproportion Im just saying. That is were I was seeking personally better questions because I had higher standards for the questions.