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You guys arent understanding that for every cop that retires, it affects a need for Sgts in a negative way. If 1 bazillion cops retire and only 10 Sgts retire thats less cops needed to supervise.

Your also not counting potential headcount cut which would affect it even more.

The city budget has been doubly rocked by the coronavirus pandemic, which stripped billions of dollars from the bottom line, and police brutality protests that crystallized around demands for $1 billion in NYPD cuts, a number embraced by the City Council. De Blasio initially resisted reductions of that magnitude, but our Sally Goldenberg and Joe Anuta report that his team on Saturday proposed a series of cuts to the NYPD that largely mirrored a plan the Council put forth a few weeks ago. School safety agents, who are unarmed but wear police uniforms, would be moved into the Department of Education; a July class of roughly 1,100 recruits would be canceled; and certain homeless outreach operations would be shifted away from police control

This upcoming week will be the tell all for the months to come.

fiftyfouredp wrote:

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When will we know the budget? Today?

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 By law its due july 1. 

Truthseeker wrote:

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Budget to be cut by 1 billion

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 Allegedly half that is coming from the construction budget. I guess no 116 Pct 

brooklynbacon wrote:

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Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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Truthseeker wrote:

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Budget to be cut by 1 billion

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 Allegedly half that is coming from the construction budget. I guess no 116 Pct 

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 No new toilets for rodmans neck. 

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lol no surprise there. The Dept has a lot of fat that can be trimmed allowing the city to claim they defunded us.

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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So according to the daily news, its a 1.5 billion cut. But out of that 1.5 billion, its 500 million from Construction, and 450 million is school safety going back to department of education. Homeless Outreach is gone and thats going to DHS. The next 2 academy classes r gone. But wasnt the department doing like 4 a year? So that means in January they start hiring again?

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 Link?

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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GangGreenMets wrote:

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Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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So according to the daily news, its a 1.5 billion cut. But out of that 1.5 billion, its 500 million from Construction, and 450 million is school safety going back to department of education. Homeless Outreach is gone and thats going to DHS. The next 2 academy classes r gone. But wasnt the department doing like 4 a year? So that means in January they start hiring again?

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 Link?

 

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 https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-new-york-city-budget-deficit-20200629-kt3ultzhdzcvfg62oanrq7hgba-story.html

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 Thanks.

Theyre homeless now

Although it is 1.5 billion, much of that money doesnt appear like it will affect numbers too harshly. If 450 million will come from moving school safety, and another 500 mill from construction projects, that leaves 550 mil. The 550 mil can be shaved off by cutting some overtime, and promotions can continue. Probably not at the same rate as in the past, but dont see it stopping completely. Just speculating and being optimistic though.

550 million minus 50 million for the next 2 classes cancelled puts us at a 450 mil cut technically. Then moving Homeless outreach to DHS takes some off of that also. Not good for the departments numbers at all but I guess going based on numbers only, this may not be as bad as we first thought. Fingers crossed.

Truthseeker wrote:

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No classes = less cops. Less cops equals less need for Sgts. How much do is anyones guess but this list was in trouble before covd. Now its on life support to be made completely. Unless of course an extension occurs. Budget cuts is never good, just dont know how much so. People will continue to be promoted but I think this could knock off few hundred from expected numbers to be promoted before expiration unless of course an extension occurs

-- Edited by Truthseeker on Monday 29th of June 2020 09:00:45 PM

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 Your posts are very level headed, and your information is accurate. however if you ever thought this entire list was getting made than I hope someone is doing outreach for you. It was never going to happen 

What is headcount now ?

Where is this info coming from ?

I'm for the budget cuts. The NYPD shouldn't be responsible for babysitting school children. Homelessness is not a police matter. The headcount should be reduced. Covid and the riots proved many MOS are assigned to non essential units and are not needed. Community affairs should go as well. Years of throwing community BBQ's and hugs to the community accomplished nothing. The community has spoken and they hate the NYPD. The reality is promotions will slow down and nobody knows how far the list will go.

Welp, 34,000 is better then 33,000

Here is another hopeful theory.

DCAS has to give some large exams (Sanitations, etc) and I am sure they will be backed up for the next year plus. Open competitive exams will have to be given on different dates to not have many people in one location. This is perfectly okay for open competitive exams since there is no worry of cheating on a common sense based exam.

For promotional exams however, there is no way in hell they will do different dates unless of course people are military or are seriously ill.

What city agency has a promotional exam as big as NYPD though ? ... that I know of none.

My theory: To play things safe, DCAS and NYPD will opt not to give a Sgts test next year to avoid thousands and thousands of cops being in one location where they can potentially harm children (exams are given in school when kids dont have school).

Instead of killing this list at 1600 or 1700. They should see no need to kill 900-1000 promotions just because list will expire to take risks and give a new exam.

Some may say they make money off the exam fees. Disagree, thats chump change. How many cops take the test ? Say 15,000 sign up at $96, thats only 1.4 million. When you factor in using the schools and paying the proctors it probably doesnt make a difference.

Its safer to extend the list by 1 year as civil service law allows. Its safer for the city and safer for the cops. We dont need cops studying in this atmosphere right now anyway.

-- Edited by TenFour16 on Tuesday 30th of June 2020 12:24:44 AM

Eliminate all the house mouse positions and we will be at that number easy

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If out of that 2000, 1500 are cop positions eliminated, thats 187 Sgts spots no long required. There goes your vacant list. Not to mention tell that to the po whos the first to get cut from being promoted. No joke I knew a guy who got cut from a list and they were next name to go. It really ruined his career and made them salty. If he would have done one jst :(

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 Ok check my math and theory everyone. i Have the authorized numbers as of October 2017. Approximately 12.88% of the department is sgts. that works out to 257 less sgts if you reduce the headcount by 2,000. So whatever number you thought the list was going to get to... now subtract 257. 

rookie b*tch posted a few weeks ago that there were about 200 sgt vacancies, but then they promoted 50 new sgts bringing it down to 150. So 257 less sgts - 150 vacancies puts us at over by 100 sgts. We need approximately another 100 sgts to retire before we have vacancies 

but as anyones whos been watching the daily pension fund finest, just last week more than 30 sgts put their papers in most of them being effective as of July 31. If retirments keep going the way they are, well see vacancies by September 1. 

TenFour16 wrote:

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Welp, 34,000 is better then 33,000

Here is another hopeful theory.

DCAS has to give some large exams (Sanitations, etc) and I am sure they will be backed up for the next year plus. Open competitive exams will have to be given on different dates to not have many people in one location. This is perfectly okay for open competitive exams since there is no worry of cheating on a common sense based exam.

For promotional exams however, there is no way in hell they will do different dates unless of course people are military or are seriously ill.

What city agency has a promotional exam as big as NYPD though ? ... that I know of none.

My theory: To play things safe, DCAS and NYPD will opt not to give a Sgts test next year to avoid thousands and thousands of cops being in one location where they can potentially harm children (exams are given in school when kids dont have school).

Instead of killing this list at 1600 or 1700. They should see no need to kill 900-1000 promotions just because list will expire to take risks and give a new exam.

Some may say they make money off the exam fees. Disagree, thats chump change. How many cops take the test ? Say 15,000 sign up at $96, thats only 1.4 million. When you factor in using the schools and paying the proctors it probably doesnt make a difference.

Its safer to extend the list by 1 year as civil service law allows. Its safer for the city and safer for the cops. We dont need cops studying in this atmosphere right now anyway.

-- Edited by TenFour16 on Tuesday 30th of June 2020 12:24:44 AM

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 Who says the test must be given in a school? The academy can accomodate it and we are already back at the range crammed in like sardines. 

You forgot that the city could care less about us. 

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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Truthseeker wrote:

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If out of that 2000, 1500 are cop positions eliminated, thats 187 Sgts spots no long required. There goes your vacant list. Not to mention tell that to the po whos the first to get cut from being promoted. No joke I knew a guy who got cut from a list and they were next name to go. It really ruined his career and made them salty. If he would have done one jst :(

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 Ok check my math and theory everyone. i Have the authorized numbers as of October 2017. Approximately 12.88% of the department is sgts. that works out to 257 less sgts if you reduce the headcount by 2,000. So whatever number you thought the list was going to get to... now subtract 257. 

rookie b*tch posted a few weeks ago that there were about 200 sgt vacancies, but then they promoted 50 new sgts bringing it down to 150. So 257 less sgts - 150 vacancies puts us at over by 100 sgts. We need approximately another 100 sgts to retire before we have vacancies 

but as anyones whos been watching the daily pension fund finest, just last week more than 30 sgts put their papers in most of them being effective as of July 31. If retirments keep going the way they are, well see vacancies by September 1. 

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i agree with your math, which would also line up with the rumor of promos starting again come fall. the only thing that can also be factored is if LT retirements are over promos. that might help us

brooklynbacon wrote:

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Headcount reduced by 1100+ by attrition.

But perhaps the biggest blow is overtime is cut in half in 2021 from 700 million to 350 million.

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 40hrs to 20hrs or less will drive the masses out. I still see no issues with reaching 1800.

3rdtimetheCharm wrote:

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brooklynbacon wrote:

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Headcount reduced by 1100+ by attrition.

But perhaps the biggest blow is overtime is cut in half in 2021 from 700 million to 350 million.

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 Eh come November that OT will be right back up. Most of the OT cut is from not having parades/details 

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 Maybe now I will be left alone on my RDOs.

No

What was said about discretionary promotions?