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CappedOut · Senior Member

TOP PAY WITH DETECTIVE SHIELD??

LOLO · Senior Member

you must be a top pay detective, after one year in rank yes go go to top pay as a sergeant.

que1999 · Senior Member

What is starting pay for detective investigator? If it's higher than the last step before hitting top pay Sgt($81,326) then yes, you should go straight to top pay.... Because civil service law dictates that u can never get a decrease in salary after promotion.

-- Edited by que1999 on Friday 24th of January 2014 06:36:46 PM

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

LoLo is correct, just because you get the shield doesn't jump up you to top pay Sgt.

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

LoLo is correct, just because you get the shield doesn't jump up you to top pay Sgt...

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

Newly promoted Detective Investigators make 83,802 as of 4/1/11. So therefore, yes, you will go straight to top pay. We had a white shield defer promotion in our Squad for about 4 months until he got promoted to DT3. The month after he was promoted to DT3 he went and got promoted to SGT and is now at top pay.

Wheresthelist · Guru

If you have your shield you goto top pay sgt. There is no waiting a year you go direct to top pay sgt

seamus · Senior Member

Soccerpsyco is correct. I had a guy in my command who got promoted to Sgt 2 months after getting his gold shield. He went straight to top pay.

-- Edited by seamus on Saturday 25th of January 2014 02:18:44 AM

que1999 · Senior Member

It's amazing the amount of disinformation that circulates in this Department.

spartan85 · Senior Member

Take it from me. You go straight to top pay sergeant. Starting salary detective is 83,306 that's higher than step 3 sgt. Next step is top pay. Ask anyone who was a detective and got promoted to sergeant. I'll vouch for it as well

spartan85 · Senior Member

Correction starting salary detective is 83,802 sorry....

Romeo23g · Veteran Member

Negative... You must be a year in rank as Detective in order to get top pay as a Sergeant.

TransitJoe · Senior Member

sgt2be · Guru

guys 100 percent top pay to sgt as a detective. IN bmoc it was explained at full lenght by the sba

Son of Jor El · Veteran Member

Ok I'm going to squash all the nonsense comments posted by some. Being a Detective myself, u go straight to top pay while at BMOC. NO WAITING. A good friend of mine got made of the 2011 test about two months after he got his Detective shield, and he was at top pay at BMOC. Anybody tells you any different, there full of Sh$t.

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

Romeo23g wrote:
Negative... You must be a year in rank as Detective in order to get top pay as a Sergeant.

You sir, are full of sht.

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

If you are not a top pay detective , you would be top pay sergeant in one year..... The rule is that whatever your pay scale step is as a detective , you must go to the higher pay scale on sergeant's salary chart.

Wheresthelist · Guru

Holy **** a detective that got made yesterday that makes sgt today goes to f'n top pay. I have no clue why where having this convo at all. The det's on here know how it goes. If your a det you know how this plays out if your not a det then dont worry about it anymore.

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

Wheresthelist wrote:
Holy **** a detective that got made yesterday that makes sgt today goes to f'n top pay. I have no clue why where having this convo at all. The det's on here know how it goes. If your a det you know how this plays out if your not a det then dont worry about it anymore.

not anymore ...... It used to be exactly like that before the last round of contract.....but now , you only move up to next step and if you are a detective one day who gets promoted to Sgt , you have to wait one year before hitting the top pay....

spartan85 · Senior Member

Wow....you guys are real characters. 1 day in rank as a detective you go to top pay sgt..... Look at the salary charts you geniuses. You have to go to top pay. 2 contracts ago you had to wait 1 year. With the latest contract the starting salary jumped to 83,806 that's MORE than a sgt with 3 years in rank........so you have to go to top pay!

How's about you do your own detective work and look at the pay charts. Or do you need me to fax you all my pay stub??

Son of Jor El · Veteran Member

Amen!! Spartan85. There are a bunch of know it all idiot$ That don't know anything on this forum

Tacktics · Newbie

My first post but i've been reading this topic for the last week. I've been a Det. for the past 5 years(OCCB) and luckily i passed this recent test (lucky Sat). You have to be a at Top Pay as a 3RD Grade detective in order to get top pay as a Sgt. your first day that your promoted, and in order to reach top pay 3rd Grade it takes 2 years after you get promoted to Detective 3rd Grade. Now if you have less than 5 years on the job and u are a Det. that doesn't apply its a different scale.

-- Edited by Tacktics on Sunday 26th of January 2014 05:41:57 PM

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

No, you don't. You were promoted to DT before 4/1/11, so in you're case, perhaps. Anyone promoted to DT after 4/1/11 goes straight to the top. Look at the god damn salary charts.

sumadre23 · Veteran Member

I've yet to get a clear answer on this. Half the people I ask say you do go to top pay and the other half say otherwise. I typically don't believe what anyone says because its always just 2nd hand information and they have no clue what they are talking about. Perhaps some one can post the different ranks with the steps for each?

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

sumadre23 wrote:
I've yet to get a clear answer on this. Half the people I ask say you do go to top pay and the other half say otherwise. I typically don't believe what anyone says because its always just 2nd hand information and they have no clue what they are talking about. Perhaps some one can post the different ranks with the steps for each?

dude you'll find out first hand whenever you are in BMOC, they break it down real good......... I've heard this first hand in BMOC from EMD personnel that if you are a detective one day who becomes a SGT , you must wait one year in order to hit the top pay. If you are a top pay detective, you go straight to top pay SGT. The formula is simple , three steps as detective are 80988, 82978 and 87278. The five steps as SGT are 79763, 79984, 80147, 81326, 98072...... So, if you are first step detective you would be making 80988 and the day you get promoted to Sgt you'll be place at 81326 step and subsequently hit top pay after a year. YOU SHOULD GET ALL OF THE ABOVE INFO FROM EMD WHEN YOU GO THROUGH BMOC.

soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

risingstarpromotion.activeboard.com/t26080435/salaries-pretty-good-info/

^^^ most up to date salary charta.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I spoke to a top pay detective. They say if you're a top pay det and get promoted to Sgt you will become a top pay sgt.

spartan85 · Senior Member

Holy ****!!!!! Starting salary detective is 83806!!! Mjehangir96 check your facts..... You go straight to top pay!!!!!!!!!!! This is over you go to top pay. Don't ask a detective. Ask any sgt who was a detective!!!!!!! He got the bump straight to top pay!!!! I can't believe you are till talking about this.

Anyone who says you don't go to top pay is wrong!!! Stop spreading rumors or facts that applied only to the last contract!!! Misinformation will damage this forum completely and mislead individuals in making career decisions! You go to top pay!!!

que1999 · Senior Member

spartan85 wrote:
Holy ****!!!!! Starting salary detective is 83806!!! Mjehangir96 check your facts..... You go straight to top pay!!!!!!!!!!! This is over you go to top pay. Don't ask a detective. Ask any sgt who was a detective!!!!!!! He got the bump straight to top pay!!!! I can't believe you are till talking about this.

Anyone who says you don't go to top pay is wrong!!! Stop spreading rumors or facts that applied only to the last contract!!! Misinformation will damage this forum completely and mislead individuals in making career decisions! You go to top pay!!!

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ManHands · Senior Member

You guys sure have a way of keeping a useless bull$hIt thread going.

sumadre23 · Veteran Member

Thank you soccer.

Privatejoker · Newbie

If you're a detective with 1 day in rank you go straight to top pay Sgt. The only exception to that rule is if you're a detective that differed top pay cop in order to get the shield ( mostly undercovers). If your salary is 83 k you go to top pay. I know this because I am a Det promoted to shy and at top pay.

seamus · Senior Member

Mjehangir96, whoever from EMD told you that needs to get a new position because he is clueless. I get promoted to detective a few months ago and I can tell you first hand that my salary the day I got my shield went to 83800 (don't remember the EXACT figure , it's 83806, 83808 or something)

-- Edited by seamus on Monday 27th of January 2014 03:21:38 PM

ChasingTheGold · Member

This is the Current Detective Contract. Once you look at the Detective 3rd grade pay scale, now look at the Sergeant's pay scale. You can have your detective shield for 1 day and then get promoted to Sgt the following day, and yes you will go straight to top pay Sergeant. You can never take a pay cut on your annual salary on this job once you get promoted to a new rank. Therefore they have to match your pay scale and since they cannot pay you less, they have no choice but to pay that newly promoted or seasoned Detective top pay Sergeant Salary, which is $98,072.

-- Edited by ChasingTheGold on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 06:01:36 AM

the sergeant pay scale is

$79,763

$79,984

$80,147

$81,326

top pay

$98,072

Detective pay scale 3rd grade

$83,802

-- Edited by ChasingTheGold on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 06:09:43 AM

ohnoes · Senior Member

One day in rank as a detective you go straight to top pay. I and three others in my command as well as several others at my old command can attest to this. I had about 11 months in rank when I got promoted, a friend of mine had around 25 days. We both went to top pay. The only way you wouldnt is if you took the detective promotion prior to hitting top pay as a cop which changes the pay scale.

Boogie Knight · Senior Member

Some detectives go to top pay, others don't. i know several people that did not go to top pay. Okay, here is how it works. Detective contact percentage pay steps are in April, sergeant's are in late August. a person was promoted to detective month of february during the years of an unexpired contract, PAY STEP #1. April comes and that person got the ACTIVE CONTRACT percentage pay bump. February comes again - that person got a pay bump for detective PAY STEP # 2. She goes to BMOC month of April and got the next ACTIVE CONTRACT percentage pay bump. Her salary as detective with all those little bumps put her at higher than the starting salary of a sergeant. That same August, sergeants got the next PAY STEP putting their salary above detectives. Thus, "closing the door", so to speak. She can not go backwards in pay and can not remain the same, so she got pushed up to top pay effective the date of promotion to sergeant. Not one year in rank. Or the sole reason that she was just a detective.

Active contracts or not, if your current salary is larger than STEP 1 of sergeant pay, Merry Christmas you go to top pay.

-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Friday 31st of January 2014 04:15:50 AM

DETSGT · Guru

Straight to top pay. Anyone saying anything different is either misinformed or jealous.

Boogie Knight · Senior Member

DETSGT wroTe Straight to top pay. Anyone saying anything different is either misinformed or jealous.

There were 3 people that I am aware of, one I know personally, that did not go straight to top pay, due to the above. They tried to sue for three years because they believed they had a case. The ruling was as i explained above.

-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Tuesday 4th of February 2014 11:03:47 PM

ChasingTheGold · Member

Boogie Knight wrote:
DETSGT wroTe Straight to top pay. Anyone saying anything different is either misinformed or jealous.
There were 3 people that I am aware of, one I know personally, that did not go straight to top pay, due to the above. They tried to sue for three years because they believed they had a case. The ruling was as i explained above.

-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Tuesday 4th of February 2014 11:03:47 PM

The reason why this happened is because that person who was promoted to a Sergeant was not at a Top Pay Cop's salary of $76,488 when they took their Detective promotion. When this happens they are locked into the old 8 year Detective Contract which started the Detective at $74,611, and if this is the case then they would be pay matched according to that 8 year Detective Contract. Therefore they would not go straight to Sergeant's top pay unless they were at a 3rd Grade Detective's Top pay already. Please understand that this Department has to match your pay scale like I said before, they cannot pay you less when you take on your new promotion. This Department will always try to match your pay scale contractual.

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-- Edited by ChasingTheGold on Wednesday 5th of February 2014 03:38:31 AM

Wheresthelist · Guru

That is NOT a current det contract. There are either 8 steps or 3 steps depending on when you got your shield. Stop the with i know people****. Either you had your shield and have legit info about this topic or you didnt and no one wants to hear it.

Boogie Knight · Senior Member

Wheresthelist wrote:
That is NOT a current det contract. There are either 8 steps or 3 steps depending on when you got your shield. Stop the with i know people****. Either you had your shield and have legit info about this topic or you didnt and no one wants to hear it.

Please wipe up your vage. I had my shield with legit info about the topic And info about people that went though the same experiences. So speak for yourself if you don't want to hear it, don't say no one wants to hear it.

Wheresthelist · Guru

Please if you had your shield then you would have the correct upto date contract info. Not the info before the reopener.

Boogie Knight · Senior Member

If it is in the contract or reopener, where does it state so, please? And yes, I was a detective before promotion to sergeant.

Wheresthelist · Guru

So was i and i only had 2 steps to top pay so the info your showing is old.

Wingnut · Senior Member

The variety of answers to this question are incredible. Maybe a phone call or email to the SBA office to clear it up.

It doesn't and will not apply to me so I have no idea.

Wheresthelist · Guru

Calling the SBA might not help. When i went thru bmoc i was a top pay det so i knew i was going to top pay sgt. A freind of mine in my same bmoc wasnt a top pay det and he was told in bmoc that he wasnt going to top pay and everyone he spoke to gave him different numbers. But upon getting promoted he went to top pay. Bottom line is your first check is the only way you will know for sure.

1METSFAN · Veteran Member

I used to be a detective and became a Sgt. All u need is 1 day in the rank of Detective and you go straight to top pay. All the other people posting that u need a year in rank don't know what they are talking about. They are making up sh_t

1METSFAN · Veteran Member

I used to be a detective and became a Sgt. All u need is 1 day in the rank of Detective and you go straight to top pay. All the other people posting that u need a year in rank don't know what they are talking about. They are making up sh_t

Lloyd Dobler · Veteran Member

1METSFAN wrote:
I used to be a detective and became a Sgt. All u need is 1 day in the rank of Detective and you go straight to top pay. All the other people posting that u need a year in rank don't know what they are talking about. They are making up sh_t

The confusion is simple. I was a detective who was promoted to Sgt, and I had to wait a year. It depends on at what point in the contracts you were promoted. It's just based on pay scales and how they jibe at the time of promotion.

Corporal · Member

As long as you get promoted to detective after 4/1/11 and you've been promoted after being a top pay cop you will go straight to top pay SGT. I personally know a person who got promoted to det on the same day that she entered BMOC. Other people I know deferred their sgt's promotion until the day they got their det shield and then went into the next available BMOC, a month or two after. This is a fact and don't listen to anyone who tells you different.

Top pay cop + promoted to Det after 4/1/11= Top pay sgt **even if just a Det for one day...