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Booking Fool · Senior Member

RE: BRILLIANT MOVE BY DCAS AND 1PP!!!

RookieScum4Life · Senior Member

I finished my 2006 Sgts. Exam in 2- 2 1/2 hours and my list number was under 100. You don't need 6 hours for these exams. Either you know the answer or you don't.

bxlaw1 · Newbie

They should do what LAPD does...you pass the sergeant exam, and then go for Oral board interview in front of a few chiefs. Those chiefs decide if your qualified to be a sergeant. That would help with all the idiot bosses that have a good memory and a lucky saturday.

yougonow · Guru

damn right!

HipChick · Member

I am not here to undermine people who need the 6 hours. The last exam I finished with very little time left, I rushed at the end. I did the same with this exam. I am not a good test taker, and also a slow reader. But that's awesome some of you finished the exam in 2 hours. Not everyone is the same.. I may not read as fast as some of you and English may not be my first language but geez people... That has nothing to do with whether or not you know the answer. Reading some of these comments is really pissing me off at how ignorant and offensive some of you are.

VIPER6 jam up · Member

Yes sir

Footpost · Member

This guy is talking trash I hope u know

Footpost · Member

hip chick is right. And that guy who said he finished the test in 2 hours is full of crap!!! Lmao

MJV231 · Veteran Member

TheFinest911 wrote:
Funny You Say All Of That MJV if your Lax, you're a Pushover... if you are stern, you're a dick... You are who you are because on this job there will always be the 4 W's... The Warriors, The Workers, The Whiners, and The Weasels... You Treat each accordingly as a supervisor...

lol.. i guess a good boss is one who finds the balance lol but what the hell do i know.. lol I've always been a dick.. lol

-- Edited by MJV231 on Saturday 26th of October 2013 01:24:33 AM

MJV231 · Veteran Member

bxlaw1 wrote:
They should do what LAPD does...you pass the sergeant exam, and then go for Oral board interview in front of a few chiefs. Those chiefs decide if your qualified to be a sergeant. That would help with all the idiot bosses that have a good memory and a lucky saturday.

Ive been saying that the NYPD needs to add something else other than just a test to promote people to weed out idiot sergeants. seriously not offending some of you that are already sergeants but there are some retarded bosses out there sorry to say goes along with the ones that believe that the chevrons gave them magical powers, that automatically grants them respect with cops BUT don't be a push over...

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

Funny You Say All Of That MJV if your Lax, you're a Pushover... if you are stern, you're a dick... You are who you are because on this job there will always be the 4 W's... The Warriors, The Workers, The Whiners, and The Weasels... You Treat each accordingly as a supervisor...

nycop80 · Guru

I have to add Booking fool is right about in baskets. They are pretty straight forward for the most part.
There are only so many ways they can try to trick you or what not. I am also very good at in baskets. I see them like a puzzle
But for some reason on the 11 Lt exam they decided to not even give an informational page as to whom you were or anything. It also took me about 2 hours to do that insane In basket. You are also right just because someone reads faster does not make
Them better, definitely. Booking fool is far from a troll. You may not like his opinion but he is entitled to it. He has helped organize
Lists so people know if they will be promoted soon. You may choose not to like him but he has been very helpful to this board. I do wish you all luck and recommend you all go to the protest session . What I think is even worse for your exam is not the 130 questions
It's the fact that rising star. Yanosak from elite. Fast track. They were
All not allowed to take the exam. So u may say so what. Who cares ? Well it makes
A big difference because If they were allowed to take the exam then they could attend the protest session and therefore help everyone
With advice on what to protest. They did this in the past and I know yanosak personally went to help protest questions
For 2011 Lt exam. I am not saying you guys/gals aren't smart enough to protest but you will definitely be missing some huge help.

Wingnut · Senior Member

nycop80 wrote:
I have to add Booking fool is right about in baskets. They are pretty straight forward for the most part.
There are only so many ways they can try to trick you or what not. I am also very good at in baskets. I see them like a puzzle
But for some reason on the 11 Lt exam they decided to not even give an informational page as to whom you were or anything. It also took me about 2 hours to do that insane In basket. You are also right just because someone reads faster does not make
Them better, definitely. Booking fool is far from a troll. You may not like his opinion but he is entitled to it. He has helped organize
Lists so people know if they will be promoted soon. You may choose not to like him but he has been very helpful to this board. I do wish you all luck and recommend you all go to the protest session . What I think is even worse for your exam is not the 130 questions
It's the fact that rising star. Yanosak from elite. Fast track. They were
All not allowed to take the exam. So u may say so what. Who cares ? Well it makes
A big difference because If they were allowed to take the exam then they could attend the protest session and therefore help everyone
With advice on what to protest. They did this in the past and I know yanosak personally went to help protest questions
For 2011 Lt exam. I am not saying you guys/gals aren't smart enough to protest but you will definitely be missing some huge help.

Good post.

It's like a perfect storm of deceit from DCAS with this exam. First was the amended NOE 20 days before the test. Most people's thinking was the research questions would be five, maybe ten extra questions. I figured right away that they wouldn't be labeled, or put at the end of the test, because then who would have answered them if they were? I know I would've tried to spell F BLOOMBERG with my scantron bubbles if I knew what and where the research questions were.

Along with this came the notice to our class instructors that they would not be allowed to take the exam. Does anyone know if they did this for ALL ineligibles? I took my first sergeant exam with barely a year on the job just to see what I was in for when I became eligible. If they pick and chose to exclude just our instructors, that's the biggest douche move DCAS made out of all of them.

Regardless of what class one attended, all of these guys and girls can pretty much recite the patrol guide. They are professional question protesters. So instead of Jim Shea or Mike Yanosik going up against City Hall to get a question tossed, its up to me that went to the classes, studied a few hours a week between changing diapers and for the most part is just happy that I passed? That is going to effect final scores because there will be less throw outs for this test without them with us.

Another big deceit is DCAS not putting the proposed answer key online. What would the reason be? My only though on that is maybe someone typed it wrong into the HTML of another exam and messed up a couple answers on a key. People then protested the online answer and ended up getting the question tossed based on an IT mistake. What other reason could there be?

Lastly, I really believe DCAS should have told us beforehand, what they were researching. If it was an anti-cheating mechanism, why not say so? (I don't believe that is the reason, btw). The purpose of the research should have been stated in the NOE. It would have made us a bit more understanding.

As unfair to us as these things are to us, they were unfair to all of us so lets hope for some answers from DCAS on these issues. I think we'll get nothing more than tooth sucking attitude, deflection, and denial from them on protest day because there are going to be a lot more angry cops than usual attending.

MJV231 · Veteran Member

*round of applause for wingnut* couldn't have said it better myself...

Arrow · Senior Member

Well said

carman728 · Veteran Member

Amen brotha. Can you go to the protest and say this? Lol

Edubz · Senior Member

Nobody has answered yet how does this deter cheaters? It's just more leg work. All they need to do is get the 15 hardest/most contested questions which are the ones people usually post here or on the old exam x, etc. any cop on this job could walk in and get a 55 with no effort, add in those 15 and u got the stripes. What the job needs to do is give a different exam for a make up. If I take the LSAT GMAT GRE series 7 or any other standardized test today and someone else takes if next week it's a different exam. When was the last time someone said my LSAT was harder than the next guys?

jaribu · Veteran Member

The sgt test normally asks questions from from 85 sections. They gave 30 extra questions from maybe 20 new sections on this test. So the 30 extra questions forced someone to read an extra 20 pages. Still easy to cheat. They made it just a little more challenging. It's not like they now made it impossible to still cheat.

-- Edited by jaribu on Saturday 26th of October 2013 11:14:29 PM

-- Edited by jaribu on Saturday 26th of October 2013 11:15:59 PM

Semp1 · Guru

The way it deters cheating is you don't know what counts so why bother focusing on a question.

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

Proud of Wingnut to Sum it All Up in One Post! You're going to make a great boss Bro!

nycop80 · Guru

Too much focus on the 130 questions . You guys will suffer on the protests without yanosik and risingstar

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

I Couldn't Agree With You More NYCOP80... =0(

yougonow · Guru

I thought research would mean voluntary. Why must I participate?

yougonow · Guru

I thought research would mean voluntary. Why must I participate?

Semp1 · Guru

The way I heard it was done and again this may not be accurate but would make sense is this...basically all tests from the original to the sabbath version to the make up have the same 130 questions but each version uses a different 30 of that 130 to be research only. This way DCAS covers them selves legally by giving essentially the same 130 questions and basically make it virtually almost impossible to cheat since the 30 that do not count change multiple times on the different versions given. The research part is DCAS is able to figure out based on how many people got what wrong which determines how fair each question was and determines if the percentage of passing rates is lower now on make ups. I do not know if this is how it was actually done just what I was told and how the new process was explained to me.

jaribu · Veteran Member

Then why not 30% more time for the stupid test. 90% of people's complaints would have been resolved if the idiots at dcas gave us more time. I want to see what will happen on the next captains test next month. As of now no research questions mentioned . What if dcas threw a curve ball into the captains test by only allowing 4 hours to complete there 100 questions. From my experience of taking a couple sgt test in the past is that when I didn't study much I usually could narrow the question down to 2 answers and then I'll get stuck and pick one of those two choices. I've finished the last 2 sgt exam in around 4 hours. This test I studied 2-3 hours a day for 7 months. When I read the questions on this test I now could easily narrow down the question to two choices and at this point I would think through the question and answers, and noticed the little tricks or how they switched the roles of the p.s. Or D.O. I took all 6 hours to do 100 questions. I have 87 questions right out of the first 100 but only 5 questions right out of the last 30 because of guessing. Prior to this test I would have said you don't need 6 hours to do 100 questions. Now I know that the more you understand the material the longer it takes to analyze the correct choice.

bigfoot45 · Guru

This absolutely will not stop cheating. It just creates a lot more legwork as someone said. It will be interesting if there will be 130 questions for the upcoming Captains exam.