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* Updated key available for download.  Link below.  Spreadsheet now contains 105 keys, up from 95...should make it more accurate.

 

Original Message remains below.  I have a preliminary answer key completed.  I have had only 10 people send me their keys, so it isn't as accurate as I think it can be, but I wanted to get something out there.  I'll give you a brief run down on how it works.

Download the Excel file linked below.  Once you open it, clear out the answers under the heading "My Answers" and enter your own.  The spreadsheet breaks down the test as follows:

1) It assigns a "Confidence Level" to each question.  High means that a vast majority of people selected that answer.  Moderate means that it is close but the top answer is still decently above the others.  Low means that it is still a potential double answer, or too close to call.

2) Your correct and wrong answers are broken down by these confidence levels, so you can easily see how you did on the questions that are most likely accurate and the others that are less so.

3) Potential double answers are also counted and how many where you have at least one.

4) Wrong answers are colored red on the left.  Doubles where you have the other one is colored orange.

5) The biggest thing here is the potential score.  I broke it down into three categories: Best Possible, Worst Possible, and Most Likely.  The Best and Worst are the two extremes (such as having all 30 of the research questions as wrong, getting all doubles; or having 30 research as right and losing doubles respectively).  The most likely scenario uses some general probability to determine how many of the research questions and doubles will affect you negatively.

 

I'll improve on this as I figure out any types of better analysis I can do.  Also, I will release an updated sheet as I get more answer keys.  IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY, PLEASE PM ME YOUR ANSWERS SO I CAN ADD THEM.  The more I have, the more accurate this becomes.  If I make an update, I will edit this post and bump it to the top.

 

EXCEL FILE DOWNLOAD:

http://www.ottrack.com/downloads/AnswerKey.xlsx

 

 

---ORIGINAL POST---

Hey guys, at this point, many of you are debating the effectiveness of your proctor, attempting to determine how they are even qualified to peel a potato, let alone administer a promotional exam.  Still, you have persevered and are now back home, reading this, looking for some well deserved positive reinforcement.  Well, I am here to help.

After the last Lieutenant's exam, I created basic chart that took the collective answers from a bunch of people and made what was essentially a crowd sourced answer key.  Its accuracy is debatable, but it sparked some good conversation, and gave some people a general idea of where they stood.  I would like to do the same for your exam.  If you would like to help source the key, you can PM me your answer key (typing it out as 1. A, 2. B, 3. A, etc. is fine).  Some guys post their answer key here directly.  I'll scrape those off if I see them and use those as well.

Also, others will be sure to post it, but many people recommend not discussing specific questions until at least a week after so that those out sick, military drill, religious accommodation, etc. don't get an unfair advantage.  In reality, we all know they will get the content of the exam anyway, so it's up to you how strict you want to be about it.

 

Once I have at least 20 keys, I'll post a spreadsheet that you can download and enter your answers.  It will break everything down by how confident it is in the correct answer, and what it thinks you received.

 

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.  Good luck to all of you, and as previous posters have mentioned, the next 5 weeks will be filled with conspiracies, conjecture, and outright lies.  Try to remain patient.



-- Edited by Gamblor on Wednesday 30th of October 2013 09:08:54 PM

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A post test service for all of you.




-- Edited by isles22 on Sunday 20th of October 2013 08:40:39 AM

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I used a spreadsheet like this after the 2011 test and it wasn't 100% accurate but pretty damn close. Not sure if I used Gamblor's spreadsheet or someone else's but I would recommend it. Gamblor is right, it will give you a general idea of how you did. Margin of error should be like +/- 3 or 4 points.

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I have to make some adjustments due to the extra 30 questions, but it should still be straightforward...just yet another variable that will increase the margin of error.

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You realize people will still be taking the test for another week. Please don't post this

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doesn't matter with the people taking the later test. Just giving letters out, which are not in the same order for the Sabbath people



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So is it okay if I message my key to you now? I have it here ready to go.


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Yes, you can send it at anytime. I will incorporate them as I get them. Once I have a decent number, at least 20, I'll post the spreadsheet. I'll keep updating it as I get more.


As for TransitJoe's comments, seamus is correct in that while, yes, it is the same test, the question order is different so releasing your answer choices will not help them.

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You guys should do this. It might not be exact but it definitely helped after that disaster of a Lt exam.

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Okay will do it now and message you with it. Thank you again for this!


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I just took the exam. First time posting. Can I receive a message for a copy of an answer key from someone who is confident?!?! Lol.

I think I screwed the pooch with my last 30 questions.



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-- Edited by isles22 on Sunday 20th of October 2013 08:39:54 AM

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Yes this will give you a raw score proximity, but since we have NO IDEA which questions are "research" questions, this method will be much less accurate than it has been in the past.

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Although this will give you a fairly accurate raw score, we have NO IDEA which questions were for "research" purposes. This method will be much less accurate for an actual pass/fail score this time.

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I taught the material was fair too, it's just for me I was not prepared for 30 more questions. From now on if anyone asks me advice for taking a NYPD promotional exam, a point of looking through the packet after the second bell will be one of the things I advice. Overall I feel good, a tiny bit worried that I had to really speed threw the last few questions or so. Do you think you did good or great manhands? I just can not wait to get the results more then anything right now. 



-- Edited by 33fornow on Sunday 20th of October 2013 07:14:18 AM

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Okay Gamblor sent you my answer key. Thank you for this


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Let us know when your key is available.

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What you just wrote is not true.  The questions are mixed up as well as the answer choices.  Know what you are talking about



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isles22 wrote:

This is not quite accurate. DCAS is too lazy to actually change the order of the questions. What they do, or at least what they did for the 2011 Lt exam, is change the starting point. The questions/answers then proceed in the exact same order from that point and upon reaching the original #100, pick up with question#1. You can check those final answer keys for verification.  For one of those iterations, they had the nerve to simply put the in-basket at the back end. For the others, it would not take too much intelligence for someone with a fairly accurate answer key to deduce the new starting point. It's a joke.

You should not post answer keys!


 Actually, none of what you just said is true.  The tests are fully randomized again, including the answer choices, for different test days.  Feel free to check yourself as the keys are still available on DCAS' website.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/work/koctober2011.shtml



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Let us know when your key is available.


 I have 7 keys submitted so far.  I'll pick it up in the morning so hopefully I have a bunch waiting in my inbox.  We'll need a decent number to try to make it as accurate as possible.  I have a way to make an educated guess on the effect of the research questions on your final score (basically just some statistics), so that will be included.



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Someone who is an assumed genius please message me!!!! I can't sleep!

A bit on the EDP side righr now! I feel railroaded!

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yougonow wrote:

Someone who is an assumed genius please message me!!!! I can't sleep!

A bit on the EDP side righr now! I feel railroaded!


 Your not alone! lol this waiting is gonna really suck.



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Yeah I cannot wait 5 weeks no way!

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33 how'd you feel man ? The 130 questions was brutal but I felt the material was fair.

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I knew the material but I rushed through half the test once I saw the clock. I did the inbasket last and had to rush throught that too. It sucks bro, you sacrifice so much and these jerkoffs want to experiment on an extremely important day for those of us who took it seriously.

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For the people who are pretty confident please PM your results instead of putting it up here. I'm driving myself crazy !! Lol

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Manhands,

You have to put your answers in column B on the spreadsheet. There are letters already there so you have to enter yours instead. Once you're done with that, you can interpret the results from the boxes on the right.



-- Edited by Wingnut on Sunday 20th of October 2013 04:30:12 PM

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Gamblor is your spread sheet updated with the 8 i had posted on the other section of the forum ?
I deleted the post so let me know if you want it

 

 

http://http://www.ottrack.com/downloads/AnswerKeyV6.xlsx



-- Edited by JDMEVO9 on Monday 21st of October 2013 01:47:08 PM

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JUST SENT YOU MY ANSWERS. BUT WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT DIDNT GET TO FINISH? I ONLY GOT TO 112. THIS EXAM SHOULD HAD BEEN 7-8 HRS TO BE FAIR.



-- Edited by Arrow on Sunday 20th of October 2013 06:42:39 PM

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thats fine but i didnt saw nothing statistical out of my first 100 other than the grammar question.we signed up for a 100 question test for 6hrs. and how clever to send out and email 20 days before test that they are doing a research. research my butt. correct me if im wrong but wasnt all the questions past 100 PG related? i believe so. so basicaly i failed cuz of their research questions. not everyone read and comprehends things like everyone else. when i got to question 100 i only had 15min left. and i swear i didnt know of the extra 30. i thought i had a bad booklet. most of my friends only did the first 100 and walked out. if i base my score on the first 100 i basically passed. but since i'm missing 18 i failed



-- Edited by Arrow on Sunday 20th of October 2013 07:31:35 PM



-- Edited by Arrow on Sunday 20th of October 2013 08:40:21 PM

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Hey gamblor did you get my PM with my answers? I have Mac also but I'm on my iPad so how can I plug these numbers in or do u do them?



-- Edited by Jdawg on Sunday 20th of October 2013 08:36:25 PM

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Best possible 98
Most likely. 73
Worst possible 65

Is this good or bad? Anyone care to fill me in? Im freaking out here. I go to top pay sgt if I pass and with my seniority points and medals, that can bump me another 8 points.



-- Edited by Jdawg on Sunday 20th of October 2013 08:43:50 PM

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Just put mine in..

Best: 100
Most Likely: 50
Worst: 69

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Thanks Gamblor!! According to that chart I got 75 right out of 130. Now I feel it's too close to the 70 mark, by any type of willing luck to pass. What are the odds the ones I got right are even counted now? Which can give me more of a 50 range. This sucks, but again the chart really helped to know where I may stand :(

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Wingnut wrote:

Just put mine in..

Best: 100
Most Likely: 50
Worst: 69

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Not sure how you did that.  You can PM me your answers and I'll plug them in, or just email me the entire file at support@ottrack.com and I'll see what happened.  I can't seem to do the same thing you did on my own.



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can't click on the link any reason why?



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Maybe because I am on a mac and am using Numbers instead of excel?

I know for your OTTrack program I keep a 10 year old laptop for the SOLE PURPOSE of that spreadsheet because it needs macros enabled Excel!

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pdizzle wrote:

can't click on the link any reason why?


Activeboard doesn't allow the posting of links, at least not for me. :(  Just copy and paste it into your address bar and you should be prompted to download the file.

 

Wingnut wrote:

Maybe because I am on a mac and am using Numbers instead of excel?

I know for your OTTrack program I keep a 10 year old laptop for the SOLE PURPOSE of that spreadsheet because it needs macros enabled Excel!


Numbers shouldn't have an issue with this one as there are no macros, just formulas (although I don't have a way to test that).  As for the OT program, yeah, I have never been able to get Numbers, or even Excel for Mac, to work correctly.  Mac just doesn't properly handle VBA.  Another alternative is to run the windows version of Excel in Mac through virtualization such as Parallels.  I used to use that very successfully when I had an macbook pro.

 

 



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Plugged them into Excel:

Best: 100
Worst: 68
Most Likely: 80

I can unpucker my butt a little now!

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BEST POSSIBLE:100

MOST LIKELY 86

WORST POSSIBLE: 81

 



-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Sunday 20th of October 2013 10:59:23 PM



-- Edited by Caballo Loco on Monday 21st of October 2013 03:44:44 AM

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How do you plug them in? I am computer retarded.

I don't know if I am looking at this right, I am looking at the top answers and comparing them to my answer sheet and so far up to number 30 wrong I got like 10-15 wrong which I KNOW FOR A FACT IS INCORRECT. I felt pretty confident in the material, there is no way I got 10-15 wrong in the first 30. Am I doing something wrong?

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hey buddy nice spread sheet i emailed you can you plug it in for me i got 26 different from yours michaeldrescher58@yahoo.com was me let me know when you do it thanks

 

 

 



-- Edited by Dresch58 on Sunday 20th of October 2013 11:11:21 PM

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Just put mine in..

Best: 100
Most Likely: 78
Worst: 65

I can hope

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According to that answer key I have 35 wrong. So I could have a 95 or a 65. If the exam would have been exactly 100, I would have 25 wrong and pass with a 75.

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New file available for download. Original post updated.

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My most likely stayed the same, my worst possible went up six points. Probably has something to do with some of my wrong answers being included in the sample.


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Wingnut wrote:

My most likely stayed the same, my worst possible went up six points. Probably has something to do with some of my wrong answers being included in the sample.


 That shouldn't skew it much as the one off wrong answers get lost as there are more and more keys to compare to.  What begins to develop is the pattern where the absolute correct answers get way more selections and become rated as high confidence.  The more questionable answers remain close and you retain that low confidence rating.  Those questions tend to be the ones that were either very confusing, or just wrong and are potentially doubles.



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I put mines is,

Best Possible 100
Worst Possible 72

but I didn't get a most likely??



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ManHands wrote:

I put mines is,

Best Possible 100
Worst Possible 72

but I didn't get a most likely??


 It's right in between Best and Worst...can't miss it. ;)



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