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NYM · Veteran Member

New SBA Contract

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Compared to Patty Lynch this SBA president is too docile. The fact that a large % of SBA members don't know his name, goes to show you how hard he advocates for his members.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Is there still time to enter the kids calendar contest?

UrinalFly · Senior Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Is there still time to enter the kids calendar contest?

Only if you visit Hershey Park.

-- Edited by UrinalFly on Monday 25th of September 2023 03:21:53 PM

mike16 · Veteran Member

SBA is working hard on that kids calendar. They will update us with another extension. Thats why contract is not getting priority as SBA president loves artwork.

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM

Spanish mama · Senior Member

UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM

100%

RachDawg · Veteran Member

UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM

Couldnt be any more true, the board does not care about the membership, ran into them recently at a detail and starting asking aboit the contract and they said "theyre working on it" what a joke. The only question I want answered is why our union heads and fellow sgts think is at all acceptable to have our subordinates making more money than us.

Lastly, they had MONTHS to figure this out, i get they are at the mercy of the city but a little communication would go a long way

Taketheday · Senior Member

RachDawg wrote:
UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM
Couldnt be any more true, the board does not care about the membership, ran into them recently at a detail and starting asking aboit the contract and they said "theyre working on it" what a joke. The only question I want answered is why our union heads and fellow sgts think is at all acceptable to have our subordinates making more money than us.

Lastly, they had MONTHS to figure this out, i get they are at the mercy of the city but a little communication would go a long way

The only time they seem to respond is when they address rumors that mainly Criticize them like the last 2 they sent. Like we just had a meeting on the 21st wheres the email with any sort of update for it members. This is a problem they created so a little communication would def be nice.

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

The membership deserves better. I call the Sba once a week and get spoken to like Im a child. I urge others to pick up the phone and make them earn that additional salary- driving around the canteen just aint cutting it anymore.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Taketheday wrote:
RachDawg wrote:
UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM
Couldnt be any more true, the board does not care about the membership, ran into them recently at a detail and starting asking aboit the contract and they said "theyre working on it" what a joke. The only question I want answered is why our union heads and fellow sgts think is at all acceptable to have our subordinates making more money than us.

Lastly, they had MONTHS to figure this out, i get they are at the mercy of the city but a little communication would go a long way
The only time they seem to respond is when they address rumors that mainly Criticize them like the last 2 they sent. Like we just had a meeting on the 21st wheres the email with any sort of update for it members. This is a problem they created so a little communication would def be nice.

Sounds like we should all vote this guy out. Vote of no confidence

hopefulthinker · Member

Things will never change with the unions. Everything is always kept quiet and they will only help a select few.

VetteCop · Senior Member

hey guys/gals... be patient, as they said in the last meeting.

No official email after the MeEtInG on the 21st after their summer long hiatus. They shared a generic email because Sgt. Barry is getting forced off the job.

top pay cop - 106k
top pay cop turned sgt - 118k

4 year detective 105k
4 year detective turned sgt - 105k

sgt 4 years in rank - 97k

makes a lot of sense... can this mess up be any more clear cut?

vote no on whatever trash they try to offer next if it doesn't include pay disparity retro and raises WITHOUT givebacks.

RachDawg · Veteran Member

Im not sure how labor relations oked a newly promoted sergeant goes to a higher pay step than a sergeant with 3+ years in rank

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

People should be upset by this, poor bargaining is what led us to this mess. I firmly believe that were in real bad shape. Although I may not have a crystal ball handy, I fear the city/state budget cuts dont bode well for any contracts. Maybe when these guys age out things will get better.

Uncle C

sector7 · Senior Member

RachDawg wrote:
UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM
Couldnt be any more true, the board does not care about the membership, ran into them recently at a detail and starting asking aboit the contract and they said "theyre working on it" what a joke. The only question I want answered is why our union heads and fellow sgts think is at all acceptable to have our subordinates making more money than us.

Lastly, they had MONTHS to figure this out, i get they are at the mercy of the city but a little communication would go a long way

Just my personal opinion but I think the Union could have this settled, but they are working on something for their personal benefit. I think most Sergeants want 10/12 hours tours because it less appearances and a better home life. I have spoken to several Sergeants who all say they would take 10/12 hour tours without any extra pay. I think the Union is pushing for extra pay for 10/12 hour tours so they get an extra benefit in their pockets.

Remember any non monetary benefit they get us in a contract does not help them or the unions finances. The board will not be working 10/12 hour tours, they will work whatever hours with the union they normally work (probably less than 8 hrs 57 mins on most days). So accepting 10/12 hour tours would not change their situation, but a pay differential lets say would go into their pocket to accept a tour they would never even work anyway.

My opinion accept the 10/12 hour tours in exchange for fixing the pay scale with retro. Once again, remember the pay scale does not affect any of them either. CALL AND EMAIL THE UNION, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

-- Edited by sector7 on Monday 25th of September 2023 06:28:56 PM

Taketheday · Senior Member

sector7 wrote:
RachDawg wrote:
UncleC69 wrote:
I wonder, how many Sergeants have ever voted for an SBA president?
To think that the majority of the board remained intact after our former president wet his beak a little with union dues is problematic. The optics of it just arent great.
I was promoted at the end of 2019 and am still a few months away from top pay. For some context, there have been roughly 2000 sergeants promoted since I got call up to the big leagues. This issue impacts nearly half the active membership. Youd think theyd have a little sense of urgency, but instead we get emails about Hershey and the art calendar.

The Sba board needs new blood.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Monday 25th of September 2023 01:29:25 PM
Couldnt be any more true, the board does not care about the membership, ran into them recently at a detail and starting asking aboit the contract and they said "theyre working on it" what a joke. The only question I want answered is why our union heads and fellow sgts think is at all acceptable to have our subordinates making more money than us.

Lastly, they had MONTHS to figure this out, i get they are at the mercy of the city but a little communication would go a long way

Just my personal opinion but I think the Union could have this settled, but they are working on something for their personal benefit. I think most Sergeants want 10/12 hours tours because it less appearances and a better home life. I have spoken to several Sergeants who all say they would take 10/12 hour tours without any extra pay. I think the Union is pushing for extra pay for 10/12 hour tours so they get an extra benefit in their pockets.
Remember any non monetary benefit they get us in a contract does not help them or the unions finances. The board will not be working 10/12 hour tours, they will work whatever hours with the union they normally work (probably less than 8 hrs 57 mins on most days). So accepting 10/12 hour tours would not change their situation, but a pay differential lets say would go into their pocket to accept a tour they would never even work anyway.
My opinion accept the 10/12 hour tours in exchange for fixing the pay scale with retro. Once again, remember the pay scale does not affect any of them either. CALL AND EMAIL THE UNION, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

-- Edited by sector7 on Monday 25th of September 2023 06:28:56 PM

My personal opinion before others on this forum with more insider info than me spoke up was that we would not fix the Pay Disparity but if they do address it I just dont see them giving us Retro for it especially if its a City Funded type of thing like the PBA just got.

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Our union is corrupt, big surprise there. You really think Mullins acted alone? They all suck. I took FLMA last year when my kid was born and happened to do it right before the new uniform allowance checks. I didn't get one, know why? Because I wasn't listed as active duty on October 31st and the union said tough luck, but thems the rules. So I guess my uniform allowance is just floating around somewhere out there, probably being used by Vallelong to play blackjack when they do their yearly outing to Vegas.

Also, 12 hour tours will suck. Commands already short staffed will be ok for a while, but I'll give it a few months before all those extra bosses hanging around start getting spirited away to new pct details. At the end of the day you're going to have 1 sgt covering the desk for 12 hours, and 1 on patrol for 12 hours. There's going to be a robbery or a missing at the end of tour that you will have to handle. Now your 12 hour day is 14+. Now add on your commute. 3 days off isn't enough to compensate for this.

4 10s are the one true way. Do an extra hour of work and I get to work only 4 days in a row, with a mini vacation every other week? Sign me up.

Lowtidesmell · Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Also, 12 hour tours will suck. Commands already short staffed will be ok for a while, but I'll give it a few months before all those extra bosses hanging around start getting spirited away to new pct details. At the end of the day you're going to have 1 sgt covering the desk for 12 hours, and 1 on patrol for 12 hours. There's going to be a robbery or a missing at the end of tour that you will have to handle. Now your 12 hour day is 14+. Now add on your commute. 3 days off isn't enough to compensate for this.

4 10s are the one true way. Do an extra hour of work and I get to work only 4 days in a row, with a mini vacation every other week? Sign me up.

this guy patrols.

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

The uncle.

-- Edited by UncleC69 on Wednesday 27th of September 2023 12:12:39 AM

JPAL91091 · Veteran Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Our union is corrupt, big surprise there. You really think Mullins acted alone? They all suck. I took FLMA last year when my kid was born and happened to do it right before the new uniform allowance checks. I didn't get one, know why? Because I wasn't listed as active duty on October 31st and the union said tough luck, but thems the rules. So I guess my uniform allowance is just floating around somewhere out there, probably being used by Vallelong to play blackjack when they do their yearly outing to Vegas.

Also, 12 hour tours will suck. Commands already short staffed will be ok for a while, but I'll give it a few months before all those extra bosses hanging around start getting spirited away to new pct details. At the end of the day you're going to have 1 sgt covering the desk for 12 hours, and 1 on patrol for 12 hours. There's going to be a robbery or a missing at the end of tour that you will have to handle. Now your 12 hour day is 14+. Now add on your commute. 3 days off isn't enough to compensate for this.

4 10s are the one true way. Do an extra hour of work and I get to work only 4 days in a row, with a mini vacation every other week? Sign me up.

Agree with everything

Edubz · Senior Member

Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.

Spanish mama · Senior Member

Edubz wrote:
Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.

What do you know of these "every other" departments? What is their workload, what is their arrest processing procedure? What is their procedure for prisoners that have medical issues/ walkthroughs? 12 hours sound good when you sit on your ass in an office whole day. It has a whole new meaning when you have to do force reports, lod's, desk and answer jobs. Cops wanted this chart without realizing what was involved. Grass always seems greener on the other side.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Spanish mama wrote:
Edubz wrote:
Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.
What do you know of these "every other" departments? What is their workload, what is their arrest processing procedure? What is their procedure for prisoners that have medical issues/ walkthroughs? 12 hours sound good when you sit on your ass in an office whole day. It has a whole new meaning when you have to do force reports, lod's, desk and answer jobs. Cops wanted this chart without realizing what was involved. Grass always seems greener on the other side.

This grass happens to be covered in dog poop

VetteCop · Senior Member

Edubz wrote:
Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.

curious as to what the larger depts in this country have tour/chart wise...

chicago, LAPD, Metro, Philly....

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Edubz wrote:
Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.

adapt these nuts

Spanish mama · Senior Member

fiftyfouredp wrote:
Edubz wrote:
Pretty much every other department in the country has moved to a modern chart. Nobody showing up 5 days a week anymore. People will just have to adapt.
adapt these nuts

Deez not these.

Allout · Veteran Member

SGT Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4 Step 5
Current 96,017 96,281 96,477 97,894 118,056
12/21 99,137 99,410 99612 101,075 121,892
12/22 102,359 102,640 102,849 104,360 125,854
12/23 105,942 106,233 106,449 108,013 130,259
12/24 109,650 109,951 110,175 111,793 134,818
12/25 114,036 114,349 114,582 116,265 140,211

SSA/SDS Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4
Current 120,442 120,744 121,048 135,512
12/10/21 124,356 124,668 124,982 139,916
12/10/22 128,397 128,719 129,043 144,463
12/10/23 132,891 133,225 133,560 149,519
12/10/24 137,543 137,887 138,235 154,762
12/10/25 143,044 143,403 143,764 160,942

These are the numbers. Obviously before the adjustment to compensate for sgts not at top pay and making less than PO.

-- Edited by Allout on Wednesday 27th of September 2023 12:58:34 PM

3testwonder · Senior Member

So according to that. Those who went to top pay this year would get about 20k

VetteCop · Senior Member

Allout wrote:
SGT Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4 Step 5
Current 96,017 96,281 96,477 97,894 118,056
12/21 99,137 99,410 99612 101,075 121,892
12/22 102,359 102,640 102,849 104,360 125,854
12/23 105,942 106,233 106,449 108,013 130,259
12/24 109,650 109,951 110,175 111,793 134,818
12/25 114,036 114,349 114,582 116,265 140,211

SSA/SDS Step 1 Step 2 Step 3 Step 4
Current 120,442 120,744 121,048 135,512
12/10/21 124,356 124,668 124,982 139,916
12/10/22 128,397 128,719 129,043 144,463
12/10/23 132,891 133,225 133,560 149,519
12/10/24 137,543 137,887 138,235 154,762
12/10/25 143,044 143,403 143,764 160,942

These are the numbers. Obviously before the adjustment to compensate for sgts not at top pay and making less than PO.

-- Edited by Allout on Wednesday 27th of September 2023 12:58:34 PM

the current contract is 6 steps.... so what is this all about?

fiftyfouredp · Senior Member

Anyone know how far ahead the finest drops for a unit interview? A week? 3 days?

Does getting an interview pretty much mean you made it?

-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Thursday 28th of September 2023 08:06:11 AM

MuhlikCritty · Veteran Member

Absolutely not

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

The uncles a little fired up this morning. Its been 68 days since the Pba raise was implemented. Now that the SBA board is swamped with the art calendar submissions we shouldnt be expecting them to tend to the contract,(priorities first folks) but once they do make those life altering decisions I say start calling.

Any idea when the next monthly meeting is ?
Id like to show up and meet the board, since I call them weekly it would be nice to put a face to the name.

Fraternally,

The Uncle

RachDawg · Veteran Member

Unc,

I say we start calling every hour until its fixed

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

Rachdawg,

I was looking for a vp, thats the initiative I was looking for. Everyone should be calling!!

Richie · Member

The new contract will remove one of the steps?

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

Negative,

People are referencing the sgts promoted prior to the current contract. 2000 sergeants are stuck in the 96-97 range.

The additional step was added in 2021 (prolly to account for Mullins spending spree)

Fraternally,

Unc

3testwonder · Senior Member

We will have to get adjusted or lawsuit

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Cea settled, Dea settled, LBA is about to settle. Wtf is taking the SBA and the city so long to get this right?

3testwonder · Senior Member

Email the sba. Get your point across

Tunit · Senior Member

Futureauxiliary wrote:
Cea settled, Dea settled, LBA is about to settle. Wtf is taking the SBA and the city so long to get this right?

Maybe due to the Mullins SNAFU, the city has the remaining honchos at the SBA by the balls

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

Im not exactly sure how the board remained intact after that little snafu. Since the canteen is safely tucked away Im sure they are addressing the many issues that plague the membership. Just in case anyone forgot the issues lets list them:

Pay disparity where top pay cops are making approximately 10,000 dollars more a year than sergeants with a few years in rank.
Every sergeant who was promoted off this most recent list is making more than every single sergeant who wasnt previously at top pay. To dive a little deeper here, the previous class and this one getting promoted tomorrow will be making approximately 20,000 more than sergeants not previously at top pay.
Ill address the litany of issues plaguing the tier 3 sergeants at a different time as this not the correct forum.

The uncle has been fired up all day, hopefully the good folks of the SBA will address the concerns and will get a email to us shortly.

Fraternally,

The Uncle

NYM · Veteran Member

UncleC69 wrote:
The uncles a little fired up this morning. Its been 68 days since the Pba raise was implemented. Now that the SBA board is swamped with the art calendar submissions we shouldnt be expecting them to tend to the contract,(priorities first folks) but once they do make those life altering decisions I say start calling.

Any idea when the next monthly meeting is ?
Id like to show up and meet the board, since I call them weekly it would be nice to put a face to the name.

Fraternally,

The Uncle

Next SBA meeting is 10/26

sector7 · Senior Member

3testwonder wrote:
We will have to get adjusted or lawsuit

WRONG I SAID THIS BEFORE AND NO ONE LISTENS EVERYONE PLEASE READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES

We do not have to get adjusted. We cannot file a lawsuit. There is no legal basis to file a lawsuit, because there is no law that requires we make more than a Police Officer or Detective. The city is ONLY obligated to raise your payer higher than your last rank AT THE TIME OF YOUR PROMOTION. If a contract is settled by a lower union after makes us earn less, the city has ZERO obligation to fix it.

The ONLY way to fix the pay disparity is through a new contract (and only moving forward from the timeframe out of contract). So if the Union and General Membership ratify a contract, WE ARE SCREWED AND CANNOT FILE A LAWSUIT.

So if the SBA does not present a favorable contract to fix the pay scales, VOTE IT DOWN.

If you think Im making this up, call the SBA and ask. Its all true.

MuhlikCritty · Veteran Member

Youve posted the same thing in capital letters multiple times, we get it.

Everyone is just voicing what is expected or hoping from the union to work through.

VetteCop · Senior Member

sector7 wrote:
3testwonder wrote:
We will have to get adjusted or lawsuit
WRONG I SAID THIS BEFORE AND NO ONE LISTENS EVERYONE PLEASE READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES
We do not have to get adjusted. We cannot file a lawsuit. There is no legal basis to file a lawsuit, because there is no law that requires we make more than a Police Officer or Detective. The city is ONLY obligated to raise your payer higher than your last rank AT THE TIME OF YOUR PROMOTION. If a contract is settled by a lower union after makes us earn less, the city has ZERO obligation to fix it.
The ONLY way to fix the pay disparity is through a new contract (and only moving forward from the timeframe out of contract). So if the Union and General Membership ratify a contract, WE ARE SCREWED AND CANNOT FILE A LAWSUIT.
So if the SBA does not present a favorable contract to fix the pay scales, VOTE IT DOWN.
If you think Im making this up, call the SBA and ask. Its all true.

if this is truly the case why aren't people requesting demotion left and right?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

VetteCop wrote:
sector7 wrote:
3testwonder wrote:
We will have to get adjusted or lawsuit
WRONG I SAID THIS BEFORE AND NO ONE LISTENS EVERYONE PLEASE READ AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES
We do not have to get adjusted. We cannot file a lawsuit. There is no legal basis to file a lawsuit, because there is no law that requires we make more than a Police Officer or Detective. The city is ONLY obligated to raise your payer higher than your last rank AT THE TIME OF YOUR PROMOTION. If a contract is settled by a lower union after makes us earn less, the city has ZERO obligation to fix it.
The ONLY way to fix the pay disparity is through a new contract (and only moving forward from the timeframe out of contract). So if the Union and General Membership ratify a contract, WE ARE SCREWED AND CANNOT FILE A LAWSUIT.
So if the SBA does not present a favorable contract to fix the pay scales, VOTE IT DOWN.
If you think Im making this up, call the SBA and ask. Its all true.
if this is truly the case why aren't people requesting demotion left and right?

We can agree no one realistically wants to be a PO.

Truthseeker · Guru

Hate to break it to yougive it 6 months and you will realize being a sgt aint much better except for fact you can take lt test

Order66 · Member

Sgts need to mobilize to the next SBA meeting, voice their concerns in person. They need to know that their actions or lack there of will have consequences. I.e voting out current members running the board. Need date,time,location. Get it done ladies and gentlemen. New Blood is in order!

sector7 · Senior Member

MuhlikCritty wrote:
Youve posted the same thing in capital letters multiple times, we get it.

Everyone is just voicing what is expected or hoping from the union to work through.

You may get it but not everyone does. And people saying hopefully the union can fix it or we will file a lawsuit is not a hope (it flat out will not happen). I will keep posting it in all caps each time someone posts about a lawsuit to educate people.

I thought we could just file a lawsuit too until I did some research and spoke to the union HQ. Sergeants need to understand they cannot just vote Yes to a contract and file a lawsuit later to fix it.

-- Edited by sector7 on Friday 29th of September 2023 10:43:41 AM