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UncleC69 wrote:

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Ill condense the new SBA digital newsletter.
Absolutely nothing of substance, its just digital now.







Great Job SBA

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 thats not true, Chell and Daulgtry both said there needs to be uniform standards in the department 

It only applies to police officers, no other union is included

I guess the logic of retaining experienced supervisors doesnt apply I suppose.

Here is the SBA news letter. I only included the beginning message about the contract. This is the only time the contract is mentioned in the news letter. Next meeting is Thursday May 23. Again the last meeting is Friday June 28 for the SBA picnic. This will be the last contract update for the summer since the SBA and the city take off July and August. This is assuming that we do not have a contract by that date. Im going to go ahead and assume that we will not.


From The Presidents Desk
May 2024
Dear Fellow Sergeants,
As we stated in last weeks e-mail blast to the membership, we are hopeful that the upcoming meeting with the City in early May will finally bring us close to a contract resolution. We realize how frustrating these negotiations have been for the membership, but please know that this issue remains of most paramount importance to the SBA Board.

We cannot thank you enough for your patience and understanding during this arduous process and we will keep you apprised of all developments as they occur.

It has been just over a month since the tragic line of duty death of Detective First Grade Jonathan Diller. City and state officials continue to display their inept- ness, even as the bloodshed has spread to upstate New York, where Lieutenant Michael Hoosock of the Onondaga County Sheriffs Office and Police Officer Michael Jensen of the Syracuse Police Department were shot and killed responding to the same incident on April 14.

Throughout the country, violence against law enforcement continues unabated. Since the cold-blooded murder of Det. Diller, police officers have been shot and killed in Puerto Rico, Memphis, Chicago, and Ada County, Idaho.

The attitudes and policies of so many elected officials have resulted in embold- ened criminals having no respect for the rule of law in every corner of the country. We commend these fallen heroes for their tremendous dedication and commitment to public safety and we vow to ensure that their legacies live on in perpetuity. They are the finest of the finest and deserve nothing less.

Oh boy cant wait for the big SBA meeting today

Word is no joy. PBA settled last April, for reference.

My lord. If this goes to PERB, were going to be waiting around for years

If this goes to PERB, most people will be promoted to lieutenant before they get a new contract

I am not a fan of the SBA in anyway but they are doing exactly what people have asked them to do. To compare than to the PBA as if they didn't have members waiting for 7 years is insane.

In the meantime, 600+ Sergeants went straight to top pay, while it might not effect you, its a win against the city.

All valid points being shared. Seems like they are making the right move here.

NYM wrote:

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I will give Vinnie credit here. Ive given the union a lot of shit on here and sent them a lot of emails. This is the first time I have seen him single out the 1,500 sergeants who are getting screwed right now. He is actually fighting for us to get the pay we deserve. I will give him major credit for stepping up to the plate. Now its just a waiting game until the city budges. Maybe filing a grievance with PERB will make them budge.

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This. Aint no way a third party signs off on supervisors making less than the people they supervise. City has to know that. Meantime new jacks go to top pay. Squeeze is on and the 1500 arent left out to dry. Cant fault it or ask for more, really. 

realistically how long would perb take? another year..? not all 1500 would be 5 completed years in rank...

Im all for acknowledging good work by the unions (e.g. PBA great job, LBA great job ) but please no one on here should be giving credit to the Sba. This is the same board that allowed Mullins to steal 600 grand without them knowing, same board to add a year to top pay and same board to get us in this mess. The cops got a contract over a year ago. Last April 4th to be exact. The numbers were agreed upon by every union. These cucks couldnt get it over the finish line. Please do not praise them for the top pay win. Sure 600 people benefited but 1500 are suffering. The positive for a few does not outweigh the loss for the majority there.

Like the uncle, most of us on here will get called up to the big leagues eventually and wont really care about how absolutely useless Vinny and the gang are, but its really malfeasance at this point. It took them over a year to acknowledge in writing about the 1500 members that are getting screwed. The lack of transparency and accountability speaks volumes about this administration.

Despite what Mayor Adams office has been stating officially, the truth is Lous moms sAndwichwright apprenticeship did not go well. It was over as soon as it began. She hadnt even been inside the deli more than 10 minutes and had just gotten her apron on when her first customer came up to the counter and asked for a half pound of chicken salad. She picked up a live chicken off the ground behind the counter (dont ask me where it came from) and ran it through the deli slicer a bunch of times before anybody could stop her. Even sweet Pete was horrified. Having brought great dishonor upon the deli, and upon the sandwichry trade overall, she was dismissed and sent home in disgrace. Fortunately, Lou had just finished brewing up a fresh batch of colt 45 upon her return home, calming her nerves. That was the elixir.

Vinny must have paid several of you to give him praise or you're not out on the streets doing supervising work, day in and day out, with the extra stress and responsibility while your officers on patrol make more then you. These guys apparently didn't know anything about the 600k STOLEN right before their eyes, sign a contract with DEBLASIO during his final month in office instead of waiting for a mayor who actually worked on this job, settled before the PBA and gave away a step which no other union had to do thus far even though they parrot the pattern bargaining line.

They emailed all of us calling us prospective sergeants and telling us why you shouldn't take the rank of Sergeant. Our union told current members and officers on the sgts list to NOT join us and this leadership is worthy of praise? They couldn't even bother to email only officers on the sgts list. No instead they email every single sergeant calling us prospective sergeants. Are you guys serious right now?

This top pay salary step thing FELL into their laps and now they want to take credit for it as though they masterminded this scenario out.

They deserve nothing but vitriol and outrage at the way these so-called negotiations have been bungled. The way some of you casually say they have no issue remaining under this pay disparity must not have kids to raise, college education to pay for or must still live at home rent free. Those sgts under this pay disparity scenario who are parents are suffering with each passing day that they are not being compensated accordingly.

Whats the saying? Don't piss on my leg and try to tell me it's raining.

SHAME

First Time long time......before PERB doesnt a state appointed mediator have to take place first. Bring in the mediator and hopefully that can resolve it before having to go thru the long process of PERB

Agree. Get rid of em. Need a president who actually gives a shit

Many of us have spent the entirety of our careers in a contract negotiation / PERB hell hole... enough is enough. My next raise will be a promotion 2 years from now. Earned the other gold shield all for naught.

Don't forget, if you've been out of contract most of your career (as a lot of us have), you owe money to your pension. Which accrues interest. Our retro (if there is even retro) does not accrue interest. Make it make sense. Happy trails, folks.

There are so many more questions than answers: Regarding the use of the phrase "pay disparity", what exactly does that mean? Does this mean that even with the agreed upon pay raises, those 1500 sergeants would still be making less than top pay cops? Does this disparity count towards sergeants that should have been making more than cops since Dec 2021 (disparity retro)? If those 1500 sergeants eventually get to top pay does the disparity issue resolve itself? The 10/12 hour tour issues weren't even mentioned - has that been resolved? What exactly did the city offer at this last meeting that was so unacceptable that perb has to be threatened?

This contract is not going to be signed until the 1,500 sergeants stuck making 97k are compensated and brought to top pay like they deserve. Cops get a raise in August, a top pay cop would still make more then those 1,500 sergeants stuck at 97k even if we get moved up to a different step. Retro should be from August when cops promoted went straight to top pay. Anyone not at top pay by that date should be getting retro at top pay from that date.

This is the first time that Vinnie has actually acknowledged us being stuck at 97k and making less then cops. I have been bashing him on here since September. I have sent constant emails to the entire union about being stuck at 97k and have linked this forum to the SBA multiple times so they can see how pissed off everyone is. So ya after 8 months of giving the SBA shit and hopefully having others call and email them Vinnie finally decided to reverse course. This is what we have been fighting for, to have the ones stuck at 97k brought to top oay. Remember on October Vinnie said we would not be going to top pay and we would not receive top pay retro. Hes done a complete 180 now.

This is not a fair raise, there is a piece of the membership that is not being given a fair raise and I believe a mediator would be able to see that.

-- Edited by NYM on Sunday 5th of May 2024 03:07:22 PM

If SBA had OUR best interest they wouldve never settled a BULLSHIT contract while adding a step before PBA got theirs. STOP drinking the juice dude. This Union sent out EMAILS tell you TOUGH SHIT dont take the Promotion if you cant afford it. Now they want to FINALLYYYYY act like they give a shit? Youre a fool.

 

I spent 7 YEARS waiting for a PBA contract, only to go BACK to waiting for a contract as a Sergeant while being UNDERPAID as my INTEREST & OVERAGE take a hit because of all the money that wasnt rightfully paid when it was supposed to. So here I am having to wait 4 full years for a fucking SBA contract when my next fkn raise is my promotion to Lieutenant. Fuck this union. I said what I said. Fuck this union. Were losing money every day!! The extra taxes we now have to paid on retroactive money. The lost of interest. The shares we dont have in our deferred comp. LOST MONEY. While rookie fucks are going to top pay. 

-- Edited by No1isbetter on Sunday 5th of May 2024 05:48:37 PM

No1isbetter wrote:

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If SBA had OUR best interest they wouldve never settled a BULLSHIT contract while adding a step before PBA got theirs. STOP drinking the juice dude. This Union sent out EMAILS tell you TOUGH SHIT dont take the Promotion if you cant afford it. Now they want to FINALLYYYYY act like they give a shit? Youre a fool.

 

I spent 7 YEARS waiting for a PBA contract, only to go BACK to waiting for a contract as a Sergeant while being UNDERPAID as my INTEREST & OVERAGE take a hit because of all the money that wasnt rightfully paid when it was supposed to. So here I am having to wait 4 full years for a fucking SBA contract when my next fkn raise is my promotion to Lieutenant. Fuck this union. I said what I said. Fuck this union. Were losing money every day!! The extra taxes we now have to paid on retroactive money. The lost of interest. The shares we dont have in our deferred comp. LOST MONEY. While rookie fucks are going to top pay. 

-- Edited by No1isbetter on Sunday 5th of May 2024 05:48:37 PM

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 I am in the same exact boat as you, as most of us here that are pissed off about it. Ive been shitting on the union and sending the entire union staff emails for months about this. What have you done? After 9 months Vinny finally realizes that he cant make a deal without taking care of the 1,500 that are getting screwed. Im happy we are not going to get left behind. 

Taketheday wrote:

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What should have happened before this was they should have agreed to 12 Hour tours as long as the 1500 SGT were bumped to top pay

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 Vinnys official stance from the meeting is that the union does not want 12 hour tours. They will not work and sergeants do not want to do them. We do not have enough sergeants to make 12 hour tours work. These are his words, not mine.

The only way the union will accept 12 hour tours is by the city paying us for it. I think that would be a great negotiating tactic but the union wont go for it.

Remember we wouldnt even be in this situation if we would have waited for the PBA to settle. I voted NO to the last contract. I tried to convince others to do the same, but when you have a bunch of greedy ass sergeants at top pay all they saw was the retro, not that it was a bad contract. 

No1isbetter wrote:

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I spent 7 YEARS waiting for a PBA contract, only to go BACK to waiting for a contract as a Sergeant while being UNDERPAID as my INTEREST & OVERAGE take a hit because of all the money that wasnt rightfully paid when it was supposed to. So here I am having to wait 4 full years for a fucking SBA contract when my next fkn raise is my promotion to Lieutenant. Fuck this union. I said what I said. Fuck this union. Were losing money every day!! The extra taxes we now have to paid on retroactive money. The lost of interest. The shares we dont have in our deferred comp. LOST MONEY. While rookie fucks are going to top pay. 

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welcome to city employment. It has been like this every promotion cycle, some guys get over some guys get screwed. Youre feeling it hard this time because the PBA had such a great contract.