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VetteCop · Senior Member

New Sgt top pay

Taketheday · Guru

fiftyfouredp wrote:
I'm trying to follow the logic in this thread, but this happens every time the PBA settles a contract and Sgts end up ok. I don't think anyone is losing any money. In the past, doesn't the city just bump everyone up to a step right above cops max base? Wasn't this the case after the 2017 PBA contract? I could have sworn I remember sgts who weren't top pay that got boosted right after the fact.

But this brings up a good question: Are promotions suppose to be more money by law, or is it just some long held unsupported belief?

But to question what Taketheday said: there are still sergeants who are at ~96,000 who have several years in rank. How does this not affect them the way it will affect new promotees? Why is it that a sergeant making 96,000 now out the gate will be treated any different than a sergeant with a year in rank making 96,281?

Basically what the difference Means is that after the SBA settles their current contract newly promoted SGTs base will have to be higher than 96,000 so lets say its 115,000 for arguments sake. All other SGT current pay scale last 2 steps are 105,000 and then 118,000 which is top pay. The issue would be the only way for us to be caught up would be getting bumped to top pay but I think the problem is the City doesn't want to us to be bumped to top pay and the SBA is still fighting that so they may settle and we may be stuck at a lower base while new SGT wont be. But we shall see if they work it out.

tomSGT2022 · Veteran Member

Hmmm..

Let me be blunt. Sergeants will NEVER make less than cops again. They were making less than cops 6 years ago and the SBA won their case in court. Why do you think we arent getting paid until 7/23? So they can settle their contract within that time frame until then.

Shame on anyone that passed up the promotion. I think a few of those guys will change their mind next class.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

SBA went to court because they held the sgts at step 3 after a year instead of going to top pay. The win in court had nothing to do with getting paid less.

Taketheday · Guru

Most likely what i see happening is before July 21st all SGT not at top pay go to 105,000 and get held there for 5 years, even though other SGT promoted after will still be making more than us. Court case or not the city always fights these salary issues every time they dont want people making more than they are supposed to be making currently, and to be honest it will probably take a Grievance or lawsuit to correct because thats unfortunately the only way the City budges with issues like these. Like I said I would hope it doesn't come to that but we will have to just wait and see before July 21st.

-- Edited by Taketheday on Sunday 28th of May 2023 01:57:56 PM

skelgel · Senior Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
SBA went to court because they held the sgts at step 3 after a year instead of going to top pay. The win in court had nothing to do with getting paid less.

isnt that what the sba is doing now. Ive heard from several 2017 exam sgts promoted in 2022 that they are stuck at step 4 for the next four years

Taketheday · Guru

skelgel wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
SBA went to court because they held the sgts at step 3 after a year instead of going to top pay. The win in court had nothing to do with getting paid less.
isnt that what the sba is doing now. Ive heard from several 2017 exam sgts promoted in 2022 that they are stuck at step 4 for the next four years

I would normally agree but I dont know how they would do that this time around. The problem is that our 4th step is 105,000 which is still going to be less then cops top pay so I think thats whats causing the delay the only real solution is for all of us to go to top pay number wise but I just dont see the City agreeing to that.

skelgel · Senior Member

Taketheday wrote:
skelgel wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
SBA went to court because they held the sgts at step 3 after a year instead of going to top pay. The win in court had nothing to do with getting paid less.
isnt that what the sba is doing now. Ive heard from several 2017 exam sgts promoted in 2022 that they are stuck at step 4 for the next four years
I would normally agree but I dont know how they would do that this time around. The problem is that our 4th step is 105,000 which is still going to be less then cops top pay so I think thats whats causing the delay the only real solution is for all of us to go to top pay number wise but I just dont see the City agreeing to that.

thats exactly my thought. Y would they do this again knowing they got sued and lost in the past for this. But like I said. I know several ppl in that situation, where they got promoted but are stuck on step 4 for the next four years.

Taketheday · Guru

skelgel wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
skelgel wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
SBA went to court because they held the sgts at step 3 after a year instead of going to top pay. The win in court had nothing to do with getting paid less.
isnt that what the sba is doing now. Ive heard from several 2017 exam sgts promoted in 2022 that they are stuck at step 4 for the next four years
I would normally agree but I dont know how they would do that this time around. The problem is that our 4th step is 105,000 which is still going to be less then cops top pay so I think thats whats causing the delay the only real solution is for all of us to go to top pay number wise but I just dont see the City agreeing to that.
thats exactly my thought. Y would they do this again knowing they got sued and lost in the past for this. But like I said. I know several ppl in that situation, where they got promoted but are stuck on step 4 for the next four years.

Yea but for them that step 4 was actually higher than what the top pay for Cops was thats why I think this situation is a little more difficult to navigate. What they should do is restructure the Steps to the new contract and just place all affected SGT on the new Steps and just adjust to what step they would be at based on their time. Retro would not apply to that only on the agreed % that they negotiated.

watcher5 · Senior Member

What about those who just want the rank for the prestige snd a stepping stone for lt exam? Not all of us care about money.

countryroads · Senior Member

At the end of the day, while there may be a disparity in pay for a given period of time, eventually it will work itself out with an updated contract and retro payments. So unless you're truly struggling financially, it doesn't matter in the long run.

VetteCop · Senior Member

watcher5 wrote:
What about those who just want the rank for the prestige snd a stepping stone for lt exam? Not all of us care about money.

This guy needs to be psyched

UrinalFly · Senior Member

countryroads wrote:
At the end of the day, while there may be a disparity in pay for a given period of time, eventually it will work itself out with an updated contract and retro payments. So unless you're truly struggling financially, it doesn't matter in the long run.

The most accurate post in this thread.