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If they put 1300 people on a list you can be assured its getting cut. They just replaced 1300 lieutenants on the last test. The math dont math. 

Not true. The riots set back a lot of the promotions, Covid only helped make up for lost time. The city preferred it because it was able to spread the budget. Stop with all these assumptions. The list got made. Period.

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Not true. The riots set back a lot of the promotions, Covid only helped make up for lost time. The city preferred it because it was able to spread the budget. Stop with all these assumptions. The list got made. Period.

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 stop with the bs already. we all know people got made from 2017 list in the last 2 years did not score 70 raw score at all. They are lucky to be called covid Sgts or curvy sgts

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 Do you know what you call the person , who is ranked last in his/her class of medical school ?   A doctor.   

 

Everyone should be working together instead of the constant bickering and complaining about curved exams.  You would rather have an extremely small list, and tons of lawsuits ? 

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Johnny Zurita wrote:

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No1isbetter wrote:

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Not true. The riots set back a lot of the promotions, Covid only helped make up for lost time. The city preferred it because it was able to spread the budget. Stop with all these assumptions. The list got made. Period.

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 stop with the bs already. we all know people got made from 2017 list in the last 2 years did not score 70 raw score at all. They are lucky to be called covid Sgts or curvy sgts

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 Do you know what you call the person , who is ranked last in his/her class of medical school ?   A doctor.   

 

Everyone should be working together instead of the constant bickering and complaining about curved exams.  You would rather have an extremely small list, and tons of lawsuits ? 

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 It's ironic for you to use doctors as an analogy, because I can assure you that nobody becomes a doctor due to curved exams in which they originally score in the 50's. Medical school actually has strict passing standards, unlike the lax standards we employ, along the lines of "oh, you barely could get half the questions right? Okay we'll give you an extra 10 points for trying."

And yes, I'd rather have extremely small lists. Only those that truly put in the work are on them, and folks who are waiting for the next exam don't have to wait 6 years so that all the bozos that scored a 56 can get promoted first. 

Definitely not

i've said it once, i've said it a million times... grade the exam based on strength and complexity of the question... a uniform question should not have the same value as an active shooter question!!!

that's how you gauge a decent LT... but you guys/gals can continue to argue about how curves and covid RuInEd the department.

Idgaf if someone who scored a 65 is a Sgt today from the 2017 exam. Good for him/her. I dont understand the hatred for them? Seems as though the issue in here is, the ppl who passed have this sense of pride shoved so far up their ass like they want some fkn reward for getting 70 or above, like youre the end all be all for the fkn New York City Police Dept, like youre a fkn golden child & we should recognize you as such. The exam is getting curved whether you or anyone else likes it or not. Youre not going to have a 2600+ Sgt list & a 250 LT list. Stop crying about stuff you have absolutely no control over. You wake up every day to come on to this thread and cry how ppl made rank because of Covid or how ppl made a list because of a curve. Grow up. Theres no doubt in my mind the thousand covid sergeants are doing just fine & are loved by their squad. Cut the baby shit already. Its rather pathetic. Seriously. You act like a spoiled brat who has to share his toys.

-- Edited by No1isbetter on Wednesday 3rd of May 2023 09:20:57 AM

These tests have nothing to do with intelligence per se. Those w photographic memories will excel. The others come down to willingness to sacrifice everything in ur life to memorize a book that doesnt even make sense half the time.

Tunit wrote:

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Braveheart wrote:

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countryroads wrote:

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nycop80 wrote:

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Johnny Zurita wrote:

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No1isbetter wrote:

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Not true. The riots set back a lot of the promotions, Covid only helped make up for lost time. The city preferred it because it was able to spread the budget. Stop with all these assumptions. The list got made. Period.

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 stop with the bs already. we all know people got made from 2017 list in the last 2 years did not score 70 raw score at all. They are lucky to be called covid Sgts or curvy sgts

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 Do you know what you call the person , who is ranked last in his/her class of medical school ?   A doctor.   

 

Everyone should be working together instead of the constant bickering and complaining about curved exams.  You would rather have an extremely small list, and tons of lawsuits ? 

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 It's ironic for you to use doctors as an analogy, because I can assure you that nobody becomes a doctor due to curved exams in which they originally score in the 50's. Medical school actually has strict passing standards, unlike the lax standards we employ, along the lines of "oh, you barely could get half the questions right? Okay we'll give you an extra 10 points for trying."

And yes, I'd rather have extremely small lists. Only those that truly put in the work are on them, and folks who are waiting for the next exam don't have to wait 6 years so that all the bozos that scored a 56 can get promoted first. 

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 We're really comparing a NYPD promotional exam to a doctor in med school???

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 I have to say something in regards to this. I assure you all that I am normally a reserved and humble person, but this is all true. Three close friends of mine are all MDs. We grew up together and went to school together. I had a higher average than each of them while going through schools together, and I did better on standardized tests (citywides, regents, and SAT). I wanted to be a cop since I was a kid, and stuck with it (clearly). I have a B.S., and easily could have went the pre-med route and taken the MCAT. I assure you all, I did not lose intelligence since the Job. For the sergeant exam I was arrogant, didnt study, but managed a respectable score. For this Lt exam however, I actually wanted to excel. I absolutely put in the effort, yet still, I barely passed it. Moral of the story is that I truly know of the work ethic it takes to become a doctor; its putting in the effort for years on end. But this test is utter horseshit, and I know even the intelligent can fail it. I pity those that failed, and hope they curve it and promote everyone on the list. 

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 Respect to you. When I was taking key classes a few years ago for Sergeant exam. One of the instructors said even lawyers can't pass a NYPD promotional exam due to the way the questions are asked. (And/or & Desk officer/Patrol supervisor questions)

If it means anything to anyone here since were talking about med school, B.S., etc, I went to a top state school, got a 3.8 gpa, two science majors and squeezed out an 85 on the sgts exam. Studied for 8 months, 2-4 hours in the earlier months and more as the test got closer. Never studied as much ever in college and that includes when I took, organic chem, Physics and calculus. Also couldve went to Med. route as I was on track to take the MCAT but decided it wasnt for me

Braveheart wrote:

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Tunit wrote:

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Braveheart wrote:

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countryroads wrote:

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nycop80 wrote:

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Johnny Zurita wrote:

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No1isbetter wrote:

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Not true. The riots set back a lot of the promotions, Covid only helped make up for lost time. The city preferred it because it was able to spread the budget. Stop with all these assumptions. The list got made. Period.

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 stop with the bs already. we all know people got made from 2017 list in the last 2 years did not score 70 raw score at all. They are lucky to be called covid Sgts or curvy sgts

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 Do you know what you call the person , who is ranked last in his/her class of medical school ?   A doctor.   

 

Everyone should be working together instead of the constant bickering and complaining about curved exams.  You would rather have an extremely small list, and tons of lawsuits ? 

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 It's ironic for you to use doctors as an analogy, because I can assure you that nobody becomes a doctor due to curved exams in which they originally score in the 50's. Medical school actually has strict passing standards, unlike the lax standards we employ, along the lines of "oh, you barely could get half the questions right? Okay we'll give you an extra 10 points for trying."

And yes, I'd rather have extremely small lists. Only those that truly put in the work are on them, and folks who are waiting for the next exam don't have to wait 6 years so that all the bozos that scored a 56 can get promoted first. 

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 We're really comparing a NYPD promotional exam to a doctor in med school???

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 I have to say something in regards to this. I assure you all that I am normally a reserved and humble person, but this is all true. Three close friends of mine are all MDs. We grew up together and went to school together. I had a higher average than each of them while going through schools together, and I did better on standardized tests (citywides, regents, and SAT). I wanted to be a cop since I was a kid, and stuck with it (clearly). I have a B.S., and easily could have went the pre-med route and taken the MCAT. I assure you all, I did not lose intelligence since the Job. For the sergeant exam I was arrogant, didnt study, but managed a respectable score. For this Lt exam however, I actually wanted to excel. I absolutely put in the effort, yet still, I barely passed it. Moral of the story is that I truly know of the work ethic it takes to become a doctor; its putting in the effort for years on end. But this test is utter horseshit, and I know even the intelligent can fail it. I pity those that failed, and hope they curve it and promote everyone on the list. 

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 Respect to you. When I was taking key classes a few years ago for Sergeant exam. One of the instructors said even lawyers can't pass a NYPD promotional exam due to the way the questions are asked. (And/or & Desk officer/Patrol supervisor questions)

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 Ill also bet that the majority of cops cannot pass the BAR exam

NYPD PROMOTIONAL TESTS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO TEST YOUR INTELLIGENCE, IQ OR SKILLS AS A PROFESSIONAL IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY ARE TESTS OF TRICKS DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU FAIL, NOT TESTS USED TO MEASURE YOUR ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF RELEVANT/IMPORTANT PROCEDURES.

I think the saddest thing is how most of these guys criticizing the guys who passed on a curve somehow think scoring higher makes them a better cop. Most of these guys (not all) crumble when its crunch time out in the field, cant make solid decisions, and cant even handle the simplest of tasks and are usually horrible, shaky bosses. Many are also cowards who are afraid to go hands on

Many guys (not all) who passed on a curve are great bosses, who know the job well (not just patrol) and are guys i would go into the trenches with any time any day.

Knock off the curve nonsense, the fact that you somehow believe scoring higher on a multiple choice exam makes you superior actually shows how weak you are.

Exam will be curved. Exam is being expedited. Stay calm and stay off your phones (ha!)

Mistake

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NYPD PROMOTIONAL TESTS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO TEST YOUR INTELLIGENCE, IQ OR SKILLS AS A PROFESSIONAL IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY ARE TESTS OF TRICKS DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU FAIL, NOT TESTS USED TO MEASURE YOUR ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF RELEVANT/IMPORTANT PROCEDURES.

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 Well said.

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I think the saddest thing is how most of these guys criticizing the guys who passed on a curve somehow think scoring higher makes them a better cop. Most of these guys (not all) crumble when its crunch time out in the field, cant make solid decisions, and cant even handle the simplest of tasks and are usually horrible, shaky bosses. Many are also cowards who are afraid to go hands on

Many guys (not all) who passed on a curve are great bosses, who know the job well (not just patrol) and are guys i would go into the trenches with any time any day.

Knock off the curve nonsense, the fact that you somehow believe scoring higher on a multiple choice exam makes you superior actually shows how weak you are.

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 Well stated,  but people will always cry, I couldnt agree more about bosses in the street. Doing well on these exams makes you promoted faster but does not at all make you good supervisor. Plenty of the people in top of these lists have always had inside gigs, its just the way of the world nothing to complain about. The city does not want to give an exam every year or 2 like they did in years passed.  My sgt's exam had only 330 people on the list. Those days are long gone of the short lists. Going forward for every rank now there will be a decent sized list.  It does put more pressure on you when the next rank/exam comes up for you because not making that list could mean by the time you would take the exam after the current one and if you passed and made that list you could be looking from 4 to 8 years maybe more.  It sucks that more pressure is put on the exam but with DCAS S current curve/exam weight and plus anny throwouts many more people will be making lists.  A 500 person captain list is unheard of but here we are in early May and already 60 have been promoted in less than 5 months. I dont doubt for a second that the Lt exam will be curved.

Sounds like a LT curve is good to go.

Let their be a curve watch how fast I put in a lawsuit.rodent

2000 is almost everyone who took it lol

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Let their be a curve watch how fast I put in a lawsuit.rodent

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 Im with it.

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2000 is almost everyone who took it lol

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 Well then everyone will make it on the list i guess.

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The city just killed the civil service exam. All the score counts for now is when you will be promoted, not if you will be.

Given the last Lt exam list was big, and the current sgt list is astronomical, its pretty clear were going to have a huge list. Everyone will get promoted, DCAS is probably going to give exams every 6+ years now. Really sucks for the guys who weren't eligible/failed this exam.

I think traditionally the Lt list is half the size of the sgts list, so 2,000 is within the realm of possibility. Id be confused if it WASNT at least 2,000. Im going to predict a 50 is safe for the list.

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 These lists are only good for 4 years. So, unless they have an emergency extension to extend it more than 4 years, people will die on a huge list. 

800 Sgt short. 2000 approaching, at, or over 20 years. Does this sound right? The curve was the curve. Say they curved to 60, and 60 gets them at the # the Dept needs on the list but also puts them extremely over because many POs scored the same, then it is what it is. That list will die. Thats IMO. 4300 is alot. But better to have 4300 & ppl will know 3 years from now whether they need to start studying again. Really not our problem. We need to stay focused on the LT Exam. Its fair to say a large Sgt list coupled with a bigger Capt list, should result in a significantly large LT list. And thats great for a lot of ppl in the 60+