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TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

RE: Curve

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Papi825 wrote:
Beta86 wrote:
The 2022 Sergeant exam, they said the same thing that it was a low amount of passers and it ended up being 2600 people passed maybe this test is the same way and its a big list.
I know someone who originally scored a 63 and ended up on that raw score list. That 2,400 list is after a bunch of throw outs. I heard around 1200 passed originally.

100% accurate. My original raw score before the TVB was a 67. On the final list my list number was 14*!. 1200 sounds about right

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Beta86 wrote:
The 2022 Sergeant exam, they said the same thing that it was a low amount of passers and it ended up being 2600 people passed maybe this test is the same way and its a big list.

2600 people passed after the curve. This guy is saying 700 people passed on test day

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

There is alot of misunderstanding. 2600 ppl passed the Sgt exam after throwouts. In addition, a curve is also being applied, making the final amount of passers much more.

This was confirmed by ppl who their military points verified but were not part of the 2600 ppl list that s was shared.

No1isbetter · Guru

So a 1000-1200 LT list isnt out of reach then

Futureauxiliary · Guru

No1isbetter wrote:
So a 1000-1200 LT list isnt out of reach then

Last LT. list 2017 was about 1350 give or take a few.

TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

I doubt a list that big gets made in its entirety. It would die out for sure.

I rise · Senior Member

The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made

TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

I rise wrote:
The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made

And theres no way theyre replacing that many lieutenants again. I say 700-800 tops.

I rise · Senior Member

Lt tend not to retire brown commands more LT than sgts

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Never say never.

abbnonappearance · Member

The test will be curved. Heard from a source everyone will get 0.231 points for every wrong questions they got. So that means if you got a 61 you will pass. Have to multiply 39x0.231=9009. Some people below 61 will get to 61 with the throw-outs.

Almonte19 · Veteran Member

If thats the case then alotta people are going to get leap frogged lol if i had a 59 then make it to 61 with throwouts, that means when i hit that 61 i apply the curve formula you ust provided which puts me at 70 and then alllll of my medals seniority and JST points kick in

abbnonappearance · Member

Exactly. Lets wait and see. According to the source, something like that was done for Sgts. and Capts. I personally know a Lt that got in the 62s-63s and is now on the list.

3testwonder · Senior Member

How good is this source?

I rise · Senior Member

How many throwouts and double answers possibly

DRPapi1983 · Guru

jetsetter wrote:
DRpapi1983 aka Bacalao

Bacalao???

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Beta86 wrote:
The 2022 Sergeant exam, they said the same thing that it was a low amount of passers and it ended up being 2600 people passed maybe this test is the same way and its a big list.

Exactly. People are delusional. Im just telling you guys what Im told. Take it for what it is. You lease dont shoot the messenger.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

I rise wrote:
like 11k people take sgt test taker inwouodnt expect to curve those exams to
much imagine what the list size would be but the LT 2600 a little more that was the size of a sgt List. maybe it will be a big curve after throwouts

Lets just wait and see.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Dr Papi are we looking at a curve? Is that chart legit?

No1isbetter · Guru

abbnonappearance wrote:
The test will be curved. Heard from a source everyone will get 0.231 points for every wrong questions they got. So that means if you got a 61 you will pass. Have to multiply 39x0.231=9009. Some people below 61 will get to 61 with the throw-outs.

This is exactly what happened with the CAPTs exam, you sure youre not confusing LT for CAPT?

Taketheday · Guru

No1isbetter wrote:
abbnonappearance wrote:
The test will be curved. Heard from a source everyone will get 0.231 points for every wrong questions they got. So that means if you got a 61 you will pass. Have to multiply 39x0.231=9009. Some people below 61 will get to 61 with the throw-outs.
This is exactly what happened with the CAPTs exam, you sure youre not confusing LT for CAPT?

I would find it highly unlikely that after 2 exams being curved that our LT list will not be curved. This may not be the CAPT exam but if they are to curve it I would think they would probably do something similar to what they did. It makes no sense to have a CAPT list of 489 and have a LT list of around that like 450-500 if thats how many actually passed because your not addressing any LT vacancies for over 4 years if they try to push the Capt list. Jus my humble opinion

DRPapi1983 · Guru

3testwonder wrote:
Dr Papi are we looking at a curve? Is that chart legit?

EXAM WILL BE CURVED.

A10shun · Senior Member

Heard same. .231x amount incorrect. Thats before the throwouts

El Norte · Senior Member

When theres different versions of the same exam, the curve is used to level the playing field and make it fair in regards to one exam being deemed harder than another. Since we had four exams and four sessions a curve would most certainly seem likely. This is speculation but given past history it seems like the most obvious choice. We shall see but I believe when its all said and done we just have to wait and see how low the curve will be.

JustWonderin · Guru

DRPapi1983 wrote:
3testwonder wrote:
Dr Papi are we looking at a curve? Is that chart legit?
EXAM WILL BE CURVED.

This guy DR PAPI is a tool. Dont believe a word he says. He acts like hes in the know. He knows nothing

SATCOM · Senior Member

In other news, Im hearing the sergeants list will be released after the PBA ratifies. Also hearing SBA and LBA are looking to settle very quickly to avoid pay disparities. Any union guys on the air that can give some insight into our contract?

DetectorEfector · Member

DEA and SBA are looking to settle within 60 days of the PBA ratifying their contracts. Theyre currently negotiating. Curious as whether the LBA will try to jump on this 12 hour tour idea.

SATCOM · Senior Member

Absolutely not to 12 hour tours. i have an hour commute one way. Thats 14+ hours a day; and no way are they giving RDO overtime. We did that crap during the riots and I was physically ill after 6 days.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

SATCOM wrote:
In other news, Im hearing the sergeants list will be released after the PBA ratifies. Also hearing SBA and LBA are looking to settle very quickly to avoid pay disparities. Any union guys on the air that can give some insight into our contract?

DrPapi on the air ? Can you confirm ?

3testwonder · Senior Member

A10shun wrote:
Heard same. .231x amount incorrect. Thats before the throwouts

Whose the source to this rumor. We have nothing solid here just speculation. Unless someone can verify this!

Zenthan88 · Veteran Member

Has anyone FOIL the amount of passers yet?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Zenthan88 wrote:
Has anyone FOIL the amount of passers yet?

I think SATCOM did but DCAS closed it out. SATCOM are you planning to throw in another request anytime soon ?

Taketheday · Guru

SATCOM wrote:
In other news, Im hearing the sergeants list will be released after the PBA ratifies. Also hearing SBA and LBA are looking to settle very quickly to avoid pay disparities. Any union guys on the air that can give some insight into our contract?

This is 100% accurate they want everyone settled so they can start testing the tours. The SBA wants to get a 160k top pay but well see.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

The 0.231 scale was applied to the 2017 Sgt Exam, dont confuse that with any other test. Each test should have its own scale applied to achieve the amount of passers the job wants.

Also, the scale is applied after throwouts.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
SATCOM wrote:
In other news, Im hearing the sergeants list will be released after the PBA ratifies. Also hearing SBA and LBA are looking to settle very quickly to avoid pay disparities. Any union guys on the air that can give some insight into our contract?
DrPapi on the air ? Can you confirm ?

One has nothing to do with the other. Yes there are talks (unions) of but nothing solid. All rumors. Nothing on the table. Thats all I know.

SATCOM · Senior Member

They absolutely do. I literally sat in a meeting with labor relations discussing this very topic. Where do you get your Intel?

-- Edited by SATCOM on Thursday 20th of April 2023 02:44:43 PM

Copper · Senior Member

SATCOM wrote:
They absolutely do. I literally sat in a meeting with labor relations discussion this very topic. Where do you grt your Intel?

I also agree with you, Even the SBA sent out an email stating that numbers breakdown will be given on April 24th.

22andOut · Veteran Member

SATCOM wrote:
They absolutely do. I literally sat in a meeting with labor relations discussion this very topic. Where do you grt your Intel?

He gets it same place as second hand news guy from SNL. Literally how I picture him posting here

JustWonderin · Guru

People are actually looking to drpapi for news. Thats how you really know the world has gone nuts

Itsjustajob · Member

This papi character is that supervisor that shows up to scene and asks cops what they should do. Doesnt want to make a decision and gives general answers with its up to you in the end of every statement and if something goes south he washes hands and blames cops. Guy is a fraud.

Mikael81 · Newbie

Guys i heard from a reliable source that the curve is not only real but if you score a 45 or above you are going to be on the list. We made it guys!

Braveheart · Senior Member

SATCOM wrote:
Absolutely not to 12 hour tours. i have an hour commute one way. Thats 14+ hours a day; and no way are they giving RDO overtime. We did that crap during the riots and I was physically ill after 6 days.

Bro, you do know by working 12 hour tours you work 60 days less per year? That's an additional 2 months off you get.

motifer · Veteran Member

Actually 3 months. 20 appearances per month currently. Thats huge.

Shotsfired · Guru

I rise wrote:
The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made

The only reason that whole list got made was because Covid extended the list 1 extra year. That list would have died at the high 900s-1000. Also, you got to understand there were mass retirements throughout the department because of the George Floyd riots/Defund the police movement which helped push the list along.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Shotsfired wrote:
I rise wrote:
The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made
The only reason that whole list got made was because Covid extended the list 1 extra year. That list would have died at the high 900s-1000. Also, you got to understand there were mass retirements throughout the department because of the George Floyd riots/Defund the police movement which helped push the list along.

I dont think that year extension mattered much. The dept stopped promoting during the first year of covid so it basically cancels out that extension. I think the riots and the subliminal conditions we were working in played a major part in the retirements which ultimately helped that list.

Shotsfired · Guru

Futureauxiliary wrote:
Shotsfired wrote:
I rise wrote:
The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made
The only reason that whole list got made was because Covid extended the list 1 extra year. That list would have died at the high 900s-1000. Also, you got to understand there were mass retirements throughout the department because of the George Floyd riots/Defund the police movement which helped push the list along.
I dont think that year extension mattered much. The dept stopped promoting during the first year of covid so it basically cancels out that extension. I think the riots and the subliminal conditions we were working in played a major part in the retirements which ultimately helped that list.

I don't recall that at all. I know plenty of people that got promoted during the Covid year. They unfortunately got promoted at the academy, by themselves with no family allowed to be in attendance.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Shotsfired wrote:
Futureauxiliary wrote:
Shotsfired wrote:
I rise wrote:
The last LT test 1350. Whole list got made
The only reason that whole list got made was because Covid extended the list 1 extra year. That list would have died at the high 900s-1000. Also, you got to understand there were mass retirements throughout the department because of the George Floyd riots/Defund the police movement which helped push the list along.
I dont think that year extension mattered much. The dept stopped promoting during the first year of covid so it basically cancels out that extension. I think the riots and the subliminal conditions we were working in played a major part in the retirements which ultimately helped that list.
I don't recall that at all. I know plenty of people that got promoted during the Covid year. They unfortunately got promoted at the academy, by themselves with no family allowed to be in attendance.

I think it was for about 7-10 months without promos once the riots began.

TenFour16 · Guru

From 2023-2027 is a mass retirement window of people hitting 20. If you look on departments staffing dashboard, there are over 500 Lts with more then 20 years on. The job may need more Lts then many believe, especially when you consider theres a large Captains list and its the rank of Lt they need to hire from. I say they need a 1,000 person list for sure.

Bill Parcells · Senior Member

17% over 4 years coming for all other unions. No one is leaving just yet.