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skelgel · Senior Member

RE: YOUR SGT EXAM DATA

Hennigans404 · Veteran Member

skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?

Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.

Broccoli · Veteran Member

Interesting list. I also see multiple people that did not pass when they saw their original score. Now it says raw score 70 or above. Congrats to those that are on this.

Papi825 · Senior Member

Lowest I know is 66.

skelgel · Senior Member

Hennigans404 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?
Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.

I know he said the list is before curve/changes but we obviously know something happened since these names are now on the passing list, whats your opinion on what might have happened. At first I thought maybe 5 questions got thrown out, but now I am thinking its more like a 5 pt curve.

JT1098 · Member

skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.

When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.

Jobsded · Veteran Member

skelgel wrote:
Hennigans404 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?
Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.
I know he said the list is before curve/changes but we obviously know something happened since these names are now on the passing list, whats your opinion on what might have happened. At first I thought maybe 5 questions got thrown out, but now I am thinking its more like a 5 pt curve.

It says raw score on the form. you can still get a raw score with Throw aways. It is no longer A raw score when longevity , medals , military etc is added

Passit100 · Senior Member

skelgel wrote:
Hennigans404 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?
Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.
I know he said the list is before curve/changes but we obviously know something happened since these names are now on the passing list, whats your opinion on what might have happened. At first I thought maybe 5 questions got thrown out, but now I am thinking its more like a 5 pt curve.

Gotta just be throwouts

skelgel · Senior Member

ok I see what you are saying know. I guess it is an argument to be had.

I think this is going to be list. With ~2400 passers will the job curve it or throw out more questions to make it bigger?

Hennigans404 · Veteran Member

skelgel wrote:
Hennigans404 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?
Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.
I know he said the list is before curve/changes but we obviously know something happened since these names are now on the passing list, whats your opinion on what might have happened. At first I thought maybe 5 questions got thrown out, but now I am thinking its more like a 5 pt curve.

I was thinking same thing, 5 point curve before throw-outs. I think DCAS has a different definition of raw score.

Jobsded · Veteran Member

JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.

In theory that makes sense but it cant be more throw aways. I know someone on day 2 with a 65 whos now on that list and someone with a 64 on day 1 whos not. Nothing makes sense.

Hennigans404 · Veteran Member

JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.

Maybe day 2 session 1 was a bunch of detectives who didnt really care to pass. Maybe it was the July 2019 class who just became eligible 3 months prior and didnt study as hard. Maybe it was a completely different testNumbers alone dont tell a full story.

JT1098 · Member

Jobsded wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.
In theory that makes sense but it cant be more throw aways. I know someone on day 2 with a 65 whos now on that list and someone with a 64 on day 1 whos not. Nothing makes sense.

Well then I guess that throws that theory out the window

Papi825 · Senior Member

skelgel wrote:
ok I see what you are saying know. I guess it is an argument to be had.

I think this is going to be list. With ~2400 passers will the job curve it or throw out more questions to make it bigger?

Im starting think they are not going to.

skelgel · Senior Member

Jobsded wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.
In theory that makes sense but it cant be more throw aways. I know someone on day 2 with a 65 whos now on that list and someone with a 64 on day 1 whos not. Nothing makes sense.

this is why I was thinking it must have been a 5 pt curve. I guess we gotta wait and see. But yeah I think this is the list minus the individuals who need to make the test up on a later date.

JT1098 · Member

Hennigans404 wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.
Maybe day 2 session 1 was a bunch of detectives who didnt really care to pass. Maybe it was the July 2019 class who just became eligible 3 months prior and didnt study as hard. Maybe it was a completely different testNumbers alone dont tell a full story.

Actuallly they do tell a story ... that's how experiments are ran .. Your variables aren't telling a story because they aren't real and just maybes and I can assure you detectives took all 4 exams.. We were also told they were different exams. Everyone should be questioning this. It's not normal for any group of test takers to go in and have a 38% pass rate. These test aren't designed for that. So regardless of comparing day 1 and 2 it's clear day 1 session 1 was far easier then it should have been and im not saying that to discredit anyone but that many people should not be passing.

Jobsded · Veteran Member

skelgel wrote:
Jobsded wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
JT1098 wrote:
Did we fire the admin guy yet who called George a liar and tried to prevent his information from passing because he/she decided to call day 2 people cheaters instead ?
to his defense, he was only partially wrong lmao.
? Almost half the people who walked into session one passed .. Almost no one who walked into session 3 passed ?
doesnt negate the fact that they were given the material by day one people, and somehow still managed to do worse than day one. It is crazy to see this, but numbers dont lie.
Yes numbers don't lie... Clearly that test was less fair then the rest. Day 1 38% rate is insane.... 38% of people on any session for any test shouldn't be passing.
I am confused my brother, help me understand you. Are you saying that the exam as a whole was less fair because the day one got that passing percentage? There was no advantage whatsoever for a day one test taker.
When close to half a population pass an exam that is not ment for that many people to pass and then a separate exam is giving with supposedly differnt questions and answers and literally no one passes then something is up. 5-10% can be chalked up to whatever ... maybe even 15%... but your talking about over 30% difference. I don't know what advantage day 1 may have had or disadvantage day 2 has but something is up. Only conclusions I can come up with are one test was way harder then the other or 1 test had far more throw outs which would essentially give more free points to people. I said from day one before the test were even given that if there is a clear cut percentage difference with different test then it's going to be a issue.
In theory that makes sense but it cant be more throw aways. I know someone on day 2 with a 65 whos now on that list and someone with a 64 on day 1 whos not. Nothing makes sense.
this is why I was thinking it must have been a 5 pt curve. I guess we gotta wait and see. But yeah I think this is the list minus the individuals who need to make the test up on a later date.

You may be right. seems way to uniform for it to be throw aways. Even if there were 5 throw aways not everyone would gain from that. Would only be if you got those wrong. This seems to be pretty straight across.

skelgel · Senior Member

exactly my point. Way too uniform.

watcher5 · Senior Member

No idea how you can give any serious test where 38% of one session passes and 5% of another does. DCAS and the department created a situation where your chance of advancing your career will depend on which session you took an exam? This is sickening for people they studied for 8 months, sacrificed time with their families and just wanted a fair shot. If this is true, I dont see how anyone can look at this job as anything more than a paycheck until you find something better.

and this isnt a knock at anyone personally. I know day 2 people who busted their butts to pass and I know day 1 people. But this should be solved by how many questions you get right or wrong, not how which session you took it.

-- Edited by watcher5 on Sunday 19th of March 2023 10:06:51 AM

Day1 · Newbie

Hennigans404 wrote:
skelgel wrote:
looks like the lowest score that passed was 65 from the people ive been talking to for the last hour, does anyone know anyone who passed with lower than 65?
Lowest I know on thats list got a 65.

Lowest I witnessed is 63 on the list. Also Day 1 list includes make up test takers on that list which is why percentage is high. Individuals that got the veteran point emails im not sure are all on this list but that's from the rumored 61 passers. At this point my honest opinion is that a few ppl got throwouts wrong and benefited perfectly. Wait and see the final results and distract your minds until then. RAW score is listed. Not Final score.

Papi825 · Senior Member

I just noticed that I saw a few names of people I personally know who took the make up test months later that are on the list for the AM session of day 1.

Papi825 · Senior Member

That definitely helps skew the numbers of day 1 session 1 higher than the others. Im sure that the make up pass percentage was significantly higher than those who took the test on the original date.

DIRT_Squad · Member

I was just going to say that. Clearly the day 1 names include those who took the make ups.

Papi825 · Senior Member

Thats why the pass right is higher. These guys shouldve made their own session list for them. But probably didnt want to show a 80% pass rate or something ridiculous like that lmaoo

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

So no one is going to mention how since makeups were added to Day 1 Session 1 numbers and pass rate jumps to 38% is a CLEAR sign of the cheating going on? It's 2015 again...

Papi825 · Senior Member

From my understanding; this always happens unfortunately. Lets see how the official list looks like when it comes out in May (hopefully sooner). Hopefully it stays in the 2360 range and doesnt go much higher

JT1098 · Member

Papi825 wrote:
Thats why the pass right is higher. These guys shouldve made their own session list for them. But probably didnt want to show a 80% pass rate or something ridiculous like that lmaoo

the couple of 100 make ups doesn't explain the pass rate .... That's how high it is. It may explain test 1 vs 2 ... maybe even vs test 4, but not test 3. To have that large of group and everyone fail meanwhile everyone else is passsing just doesn't make sense

-- Edited by JT1098 on Sunday 19th of March 2023 12:41:16 PM

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
So no one is going to mention how since makeups were added to Day 1 Session 1 numbers and pass rate jumps to 38% is a CLEAR sign of the cheating going on? It's 2015 again...

How do you know makeups were added in day one session one ?

Papi825 · Senior Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

Exactly, and those numbers makes a huge difference. It makes sense why it looks that way, maybe they put it there cuz the day 1 morning session had low passers originally. But yet again, those session 3 number look Very rough lol.

Papi825 · Senior Member

HopeBoss wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
So no one is going to mention how since makeups were added to Day 1 Session 1 numbers and pass rate jumps to 38% is a CLEAR sign of the cheating going on? It's 2015 again...
How do you know makeups were added in day one session one ?

I know 100%, I know 2 people who passed make ups months later who are on the session list.

Papi825 · Senior Member

Both of them are in my command, not hearing from some one I know. I know those guys personally r

JT1098 · Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

if they were smart and really wanted to hide things they should have just added it to session 3. Oddly it would still be drasticlaly lower then the rest .. but atleast it wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb

JT1098 · Member

JT1098 wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

if they were smart and really wanted to hide things they should have just added it to session 3. Oddly it would still be drasticlaly lower then the rest .. but atleast it wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb

if you added 500 passing names and no failing names to the 3rd test it would still only be at 23%

watcher5 · Senior Member

Also who did like 700 fewer people take the day 2 1st session than the rest of the sessions.

Papi825 · Senior Member

Yes they had the least amount of test takers. But 5% pass rate us rough compared to the others. Maybe that session was filled with guys who barely studied idk

tomSGT2022 · Veteran Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

Exactly. What better way to deny liability then by saying well look, if people cheated how come so many people passed on the first session? Then again, they arent really allowed to change the makeup test too much from the actual test. Thats just how it goes. I dont agree with it but thats life i guess cant stress about it

also, today is a great day for those who barely failed and saw their names on that list. Clearly throwouts were included from the rumor. congrats fellas well deserved .

skelgel · Senior Member

plot twist, female at my command got a 65 and shes not on the list lmao wth is going on? I guess there goes the theory of 5 pt curve

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Its throwouts not curve. You will only get credit for a throwout or double answer if applies to you. It isnt universally applied.

skelgel · Senior Member

tomSGT2022 wrote:
NauseousPBBN wrote:
The pass rate for the makeups on 2015 Lt exam was like 89% if I remember correctly. This time around DCAS is trying to hide that fact by adding to day 1 group as Papi825 stated.

Exactly. What better way to deny liability then by saying well look, if people cheated how come so many people passed on the first session? Then again, they arent really allowed to change the makeup test too much from the actual test. Thats just how it goes. I dont agree with it but thats life i guess cant stress about it

also, today is a great day for those who barely failed and saw their names on that list. Clearly throwouts were included from the rumor. congrats fellas well deserved .

I just dont know that all these people miraculously picked up the throwouts

but it does explain why not all 65 are on this list.

-- Edited by skelgel on Sunday 19th of March 2023 01:19:09 PM

HopeBoss · Senior Member

skelgel wrote:
plot twist, female at my command got a 65 and shes not on the list lmao wth is going on? I guess there goes the theory of 5 pt curve

That means she got the 5 throw outs either right or didnt pick one of the additional right answers. Only applies to you if you got it wrong

Passit100 · Senior Member

They are also mixing the people who took the makeup exam apparently on to that list

GR5 · Veteran Member

Definitely not a curve. I got a 65 and am not on the list. Must be throw outs.

Jobsded · Veteran Member

GR5 wrote:
Definitely not a curve. I got a 65 and am not on the list. Must be throw outs.

Good to know.

skelgel · Senior Member

I guess theres still hope for you. List is huge without it but according to the doc it will be curved lets wait and see til MAY smh

GR5 · Veteran Member

Also, that email that George posted is from September 2022. So theyve known this for that long?

JT1098 · Member

Papi825 wrote:
Yes they had the least amount of test takers. But 5% pass rate us rough compared to the others. Maybe that session was filled with guys who barely studied idk

Yea but that's not how grouping work .. We are all cops, with the same advantages and disadvantages. it's not like they took a survay of who studied and who didn't and just throw all the people who didn't study in one test. Large groups like this it should all equal out given the same scenairo with a slight deviation (5-10%). A substantial outcome difference like this raises major red flags that should have to be answered for... Maybe they will be, but my guess is nope.. List will be dropped and we all will have to move on.

I was one of the 108 who passed on test 3 without throwouts. I find it hard to believe that all those people I saw that day less then a 100 of us walked out passing yet I will now be thrown into general population with a 1500 list number. Cant shake the feeling that if I had a different test I would have done substantially better... and I can assure you those who failed are like what the heck.

I said from start before we took the test that you can't give 4 differnt test because percentages will show it was not equal and here we are.

-- Edited by JT1098 on Sunday 19th of March 2023 01:31:58 PM

Rs4u · Member

Did you receive a email ? Or is this list public ?

skelgel · Senior Member

its currently circulating on the whatsapp nearest you lol, but its also on page 2 of this forum

The train · Newbie

I got a 68 and am on the list so maybe they mistakenly added everyone that got points from throw outs/ possible curve. 2 other people i know on list got a 66 and 65