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https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/nypd-revives-broken-windows-as-adams-fumes-over-shootings/

This is probably why things happened the way that they did this month.

Futureauxiliary wrote:

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Crankypants wrote:

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https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/nypd-revives-broken-windows-as-adams-fumes-over-shootings/

This is probably why things happened the way that they did this month.

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 The new flavor of the quarter is being off post on transit. 20 day hit and a transfer.

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 Yea jus got this from a guy in my squad lol thought that pic was a joke about the 20 day hit guess its for real. I think your right @futureauxiliary this is probably why promos are being held up he wants boots on the ground. Idk if anyone can confirm if a July class of recruits is graduating? if so that may help jump start more promos.

Taketheday wrote:

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Futureauxiliary wrote:

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Crankypants wrote:

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https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/nypd-revives-broken-windows-as-adams-fumes-over-shootings/

This is probably why things happened the way that they did this month.

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 The new flavor of the quarter is being off post on transit. 20 day hit and a transfer.

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 Yea jus got this from a guy in my squad lol thought that pic was a joke about the 20 day hit guess its for real. I think your right @futureauxiliary this is probably why promos are being held up he wants boots on the ground. Idk if anyone can confirm if a July class of recruits is graduating? if so that may help jump start more promos.

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 Good luck getting these new rookies to produce like the Impact days. New wave of cops are all about going home on time and zero involvement in anything on this job, let alone a collar or summons.

Zeefinestmsg wrote:

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Dont typically post on here, but I have been following this thread quite diligently. I have a pretty credible source that confirmed promotions will be next week. I was not given numbers or a date. But was told probably Friday. Just here to provide a little reassurance.

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 Thats great news.  Hope It happens.  @Broccoli where you at?!? 

Crankypants wrote:

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PaidDetailforlife wrote:

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So I got sources that told me civilian promotions was postponed for next week April 1 and with thst. They may add uniform promotions also that day. Lets hope for the best

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 Finest came down postponing the civilian promotions to 04/01.

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 Looks like both promos will be happening on 04/01.

Futureauxiliary wrote:

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Crankypants wrote:

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PaidDetailforlife wrote:

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So I got sources that told me civilian promotions was postponed for next week April 1 and with thst. They may add uniform promotions also that day. Lets hope for the best

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 Finest came down postponing the civilian promotions to 04/01.

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 Looks like both promos will be happening on 04/01.

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 Interesting development for sureanyone has any insight??

RookieScum4Life wrote:

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Vacancies as of 3/23/22

Sergeant 297

Lieutenant 51

Captain -1 (23 Terminal)

DI 23 (13 Terminal)

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 Thank you!

mastertech23 wrote:

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When coming off restricted duty does anyone know how quick you can make it on the list to be promoted and you have already been passed over?

-- Edited by mastertech23 on Thursday 24th of March 2022 06:07:50 AM

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 People have been promoted while restricted.  Saw a friend in crutches and a foot boot get promoted to SGT.

As far as getting passed over, it depends on what it was and when you get cleared.

EyeMissBernard wrote:

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Nicholasjames65 wrote:

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20 to 25, possibly only 23. I hope Im dreaming because thats a real small #

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 Awesome. yea I just heard expecting small. Wouldnt be surprised. 

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 I can confirm the same I heard this yesterday and didn't want to post until I could confirm it. My source said they submitted the list of 160 to PC and she only approved for way less I was told less than 40 I dont know what the reasons were but I guess its even smaller now. Personally to me thats their way of forcing us to cancel the promos by agreeing on a insanely small number, until they are ready to start pumping out classes, This is all def coming from Adams which to me means its very possible that he will make sure there are no promos till September or force as many small classes as possible until then. Sucks for everyone hopefully something changes

Futureauxiliary wrote:

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Nicholasjames65 wrote:

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20 to 25, possibly only 23. I hope Im dreaming because thats a real small #

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 There is a recruit class that went in on October and graduate in April 2022. Another recruit class that went in on Dec 2021 and graduates June 2022. Between both classes there are about 1000-1100 recruits that will be out in the next 3 months. Can it be a possibility that they are waiting for these classes to hit the streets ?

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 I think that could be a reason for why they are delaying Promos they may want to wait till after All-Out starts and these recruits get sent to Commands before they promote the remaining 450 cops on the list. 

Truthseeker wrote:

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Told 20 lts and 23 sgts. Also told patrol is full based on the last big class. Dont kill messenger on that one

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 Im gonna assume this class of 23 will probably be going to transit. And if they want out, all they have to do is abandon post and cough up 20 days.

Transit and housing are probably full but patrol is not. In my bx patrol pct I have to doubles and patrol coverages almost every week. The Dept has some hidden positions for Sgts outside patrol in each pct. Thats why on paper the pct looks good but in reality they are not.

Any word on Capts?

Taketheday wrote:

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EyeMissBernard wrote:

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Nicholasjames65 wrote:

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20 to 25, possibly only 23. I hope Im dreaming because thats a real small #

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 Awesome. yea I just heard expecting small. Wouldnt be surprised. 

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 I can confirm the same I heard this yesterday and didn't want to post until I could confirm it. My source said they submitted the list of 160 to PC and she only approved for way less I was told less than 40 I dont know what the reasons were but I guess its even smaller now. Personally to me thats their way of forcing us to cancel the promos by agreeing on a insanely small number, until they are ready to start pumping out classes, This is all def coming from Adams which to me means its very possible that he will make sure there are no promos till September or force as many small classes as possible until then. Sucks for everyone hopefully something changes

-- Edited by Taketheday on Friday 25th of March 2022 07:32:23 PM

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From my understanding, the Mayor's office is not happy with the manner in which the Dept is civilianizing the roles.  They want to push more admin cops and supervisors back out on the patrol housing and transit commands and not so much doing admin work.  However, what the mayor's office fails to realize is just how much administrative work is required of by this department, from places like the federal monitor, from Albany, from DCJS, from Calea, from FBI, from HIDDTA, from the City, and most importantly, from executives who continue to make up forms, recaps and reports for those below Captain rank to deal with on a daily basis.  The pipe dream is if they want more people out, they need to streamline this stuff.

In other departments and jurisdictions, when arrests are made, the patrol officer brings the body direct from scene to the central booking facility where a dedicated arrest processing team will take all the information, BWC footage, contact the CV's and draw up the complaint within an hour or two max.  The arrest team is back to post within an hour.  Commands literally spends hours prepping binders for all the various stat meetings that may or may not happen on a weekly basis.  Complete waste of resources, paper, and time for the cops/sgts who have to prepare it all, and waste for the Lt's and Cap's who have to read all that shit.

Could more roles be civilianized, sure, theres plenty of people being taken care of and that can certainly be trimmed way down, but the "work" doesnt' just disappear and my point is executives need to do some damn work for once and work at getting rid of that nonsense shit. 

Ticonderoga wrote:

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Taketheday wrote:

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EyeMissBernard wrote:

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Nicholasjames65 wrote:

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20 to 25, possibly only 23. I hope Im dreaming because thats a real small #

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 Awesome. yea I just heard expecting small. Wouldnt be surprised. 

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 I can confirm the same I heard this yesterday and didn't want to post until I could confirm it. My source said they submitted the list of 160 to PC and she only approved for way less I was told less than 40 I dont know what the reasons were but I guess its even smaller now. Personally to me thats their way of forcing us to cancel the promos by agreeing on a insanely small number, until they are ready to start pumping out classes, This is all def coming from Adams which to me means its very possible that he will make sure there are no promos till September or force as many small classes as possible until then. Sucks for everyone hopefully something changes

-- Edited by Taketheday on Friday 25th of March 2022 07:32:23 PM

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From my understanding, the Mayor's office is not happy with the manner in which the Dept is civilianizing the roles.  They want to push more admin cops and supervisors back out on the patrol housing and transit commands and not so much doing admin work.  However, what the mayor's office fails to realize is just how much administrative work is required of by this department, from places like the federal monitor, from Albany, from DCJS, from Calea, from FBI, from HIDDTA, from the City, and most importantly, from executives who continue to make up forms, recaps and reports for those below Captain rank to deal with on a daily basis.  The pipe dream is if they want more people out, they need to streamline this stuff.

In other departments and jurisdictions, when arrests are made, the patrol officer brings the body direct from scene to the central booking facility where a dedicated arrest processing team will take all the information, BWC footage, contact the CV's and draw up the complaint within an hour or two max.  The arrest team is back to post within an hour.  Commands literally spends hours prepping binders for all the various stat meetings that may or may not happen on a weekly basis.  Complete waste of resources, paper, and time for the cops/sgts who have to prepare it all, and waste for the Lt's and Cap's who have to read all that shit.

Could more roles be civilianized, sure, theres plenty of people being taken care of and that can certainly be trimmed way down, but the "work" doesnt' just disappear and my point is executives need to do some damn work for once and work at getting rid of that nonsense shit. 

 

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 Wow sounds like a more in depth problem than I certainly anticipated lol. I would just hope the Dept talks City Hall and Adams down from killing promos by the summer. Regardless of what they want we still have 300 SGT vacancies which will continue to grow after July and I do believe the possibility of Covid lawsuits may change their minds too

Semp1 wrote:

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Small classes are better than no classes. I know, no one wants to hear that but theoretically if they do 25 a month until August thats a progression of 100 people. There will only be like 400 people left by then and that can be taken care of with the remaining months. Its going to be close but it is what it is.

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 Realistically like I said before they will do about 6 more classes so they will finish the list but it wont be until December/Jan but regardless anyone on this list will be able to take the LT test when its announced so thats the only thing that matters