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my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

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 I dont understand what you are talking about. Have you seen the new pay scale for Detectives? Top is above 107k. Step 4 for Sgt is 105k and then rises to 118k in the 5th year. A top pay Detective will be making 107k. If promoted he/she has to go above 107k which would be top pay. 


 

what you make after adding on uniform, holiday, longevity, etc doesn't count - sgt is going to 97.8k to 118k from year 3 to 4 in the new salary chart 


 Yes that is exactly what Im saying the salary chart for detectives is only base pay it doesnt include longevity or night diff etc.Top pay for Detective is now $107,426 which is higher than step 3 for Sgt. The next step up is Step 4 which is the same pay as Step 5 according to the chart you just posted. 



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my point is, if they don't include the 2.25% body cam incentive for DET then even the top pay detectives won't go to tier 5 (top pay) SGT. And now according to redcons (where is your attachment from?), you have to wait 5 years regardless to become a top pay SGT.

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 I dont understand what you are talking about. Have you seen the new pay scale for Detectives? Top is above 107k. Step 4 for Sgt is 105k and then rises to 118k in the 5th year. A top pay Detective will be making 107k. If promoted he/she has to go above 107k which would be top pay. 


 

what you make after adding on uniform, holiday, longevity, etc doesn't count - sgt is going to 97.8k to 118k from year 3 to 4 in the new salary chart 


 Yes that is exactly what Im saying the salary chart for detectives is only base pay it doesnt include longevity or night diff etc.Top pay for Detective is now $107,426 which is higher than step 3 for Sgt. The next step up is Step 4 which is the same pay as Step 5 according to the chart you just posted. 


 yes so unfortunately they would be stuck at that step 3-4 years 



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Yea but the base pay is the same at step 4 and 5 minus the $1200

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the long and short of it is if you aren't a five+ year Det. you are going to be stuck in year 4 of sgt for 4 years. They sold out the young. Not surprising. 

That SGT chart is outdated, and incorrect. It shows that Step 4 and 5 make the same base pay of $118K.  

This is how I'm seeing it all:

CURRENT DEA CONTRACT:
upon promo: 96302
1st anniversary: 96502
2nd anniversary: 96703
3rd anniversary: 96902
4th anniversary: 97101
5th anniversary: 97324

NEW DEA CONTRACT (if ratified) 

upon promo: 103958
1st anniversary: 104174
2nd anniversary: 104391
3rd anniversary: 104606
4th anniversary: 104820
5th anniversary: 105061  + another 2.25% body cam incentive : 107425 (DOES THIS INCENTIVE COUNT TOWARDS BASE SALARY? NOBODY KNOWS THE ACTUAL ANSWER)

NEW SBA CONTRACT (if ratified and for those promoted after January 29, 2022):
Upon promotion: 96016
1st anniversary: 96281
2nd anniversary: 96476
3rd anniversary: 97894
4th anniversary: 105606
5th anniversary: 118054  

If the BWC incentive for detectives counts as base salary, then yes a 5+ year DET jumps to top pay SGT of 118k, if it doesn't count as a base pay factor (which honestly I highly doubt it does) then a 5+ year DET will have to enjoy their $500 raise and stay at the same pay for 4 years until they can get that $118k



-- Edited by VetteCop on Sunday 2nd of January 2022 06:02:46 PM

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So what's a top pay 4x12 or midnight Sgt going to make with everything included?



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Sgt contract will have to be revised with that new pba contract going around



-- Edited by 3testwonder on Monday 3rd of January 2022 03:16:11 PM

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Sgt contract will have to be revised with that new pba contract going around



-- Edited by 3testwonder on Monday 3rd of January 2022 03:16:11 PM


 Rumor is its fake. The usual Breaking News Nonsense.



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How do you know?



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Caralho wrote:

How do you know?


 Its fake!! I know the douche-bag that created the rumor.



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PD2FD wrote:
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How do you know?


 Its fake!! I know the douche-bag that created the rumor.


 Ah, okay. 



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The numbers in that contract are outrageously high. We're not getting anywhere near that.

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Its not necessarily outrageously high giving a significant raise in agreement to an 8-step isnt far fetched. Also, any raise of this nature would be heavily back loaded to get very little retro. Also, numbers never end in ,000. People have too much time on their hands. Miserable ppl who get off on ppl believing their fake rumors.

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A 20% raise is pretty insane, particularly for a time period that includes the riots. I made like 160k as a 10 year cop, they're not gonna agree to give me a 5% retroactive raise.

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A 20% raise is pretty insane, particularly for a time period that includes the riots. I made like 160k as a 10 year cop, they're not gonna agree to give me a 5% retroactive raise.


 Did you live in the command that whole year ? 160k is insane



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12 years on this job the only thing I have learned is that, negativity is this job. Weather this guy worked 160k or didnt. He

knew a guy who did without really knowing the guy



-- Edited by EyeMissBernard on Tuesday 4th of January 2022 06:57:55 AM

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Thankless job

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You get payed. Stop crying rookie. You want to be thanked , go be a firefighter or a nurse 



-- Edited by Happy Al on Tuesday 4th of January 2022 01:20:31 PM

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Ain't no rookie bitch. Already a sgt with time in rank

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ChuckTaylor wrote:

A 20% raise is pretty insane, particularly for a time period that includes the riots. I made like 160k as a 10 year cop, they're not gonna agree to give me a 5% retroactive raise.


 Where the hell did you work making $160K with ten years on?



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Then I feel bad for your cops, Sgtnogood.



-- Edited by Happy Al on Tuesday 4th of January 2022 04:09:28 PM

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I meant to type 150 but my fingers are fat. I did midnights and 550+ hours OT and took every second in cash. Think I did like 152 off the top of my head. I wasn't the only one. Do you guys work the same job?

My point still stands that they're not giving me $7500 in retro for that year alone.

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ChuckTaylor wrote:

I meant to type 150 but my fingers are fat. I did midnights and 550+ hours OT and took every second in cash. Think I did like 152 off the top of my head. I wasn't the only one. Do you guys work the same job?

My point still stands that they're not giving me $7500 in retro for that year alone.


 Ok that sounds more reasonable. I did $138k with 120 a quarter on 4x 



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Ballots went out today

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For Sgts or Dets?

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Any detective on the list needs to contact the SBA to clarify what their options are. You will starting at step 4. 105k. The debate is if you get promoted after april 1st do you go to 118k.

So contact the SBA to get the clarification

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The real questions have any top pay Detectives been promoted to sgt and go straight to year 5 (118k)??? Does the 2.25% body cam count towards your base salary?



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With regards to BWC $$, base salary inherently means no additional items such as longevity, night differential nor BWC $



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Thats what Im talking about.  Any detective in Rank for 5 or more years would really have to think long and hard about taking a literal pay cut to be a sergeant. 



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Thats what Im talking about.  Any detective in Rank for 5 or more years would really have to think long and hard about taking a literal pay cut to be a sergeant. 


 As per civil service rules, the city MUST give you a base salary raise to get promoted.  It might be only 100 or could be 1000.  All that matters is your base salary gets a raise.  So in their eyes its not a pay cut.  BUT we all know rookie sgts dont make much overtime depending on where you're at so you effectively lose out on pay just from going as a PO/DET making overtime to a rookie SGT making no overtime.  

First year, my buddy made 15,000 less than previous.  Another made 20,000 less so yes it can suck.  If you're young on the job, you need think big picture/long term.  Short term loss for long term gain.  Especially since you must make SGT to make LT.



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point is a 5 year in rank DET walks in the door making 107k because of the BWC incentive, but when promoted to SGT they will make 105k because the "BWC incentive" isn't technically included in base pay. I think DT2 makes same as top pay SGT based off new contracts. 



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So there have been many rumors on these forums, I had to make some calls to verify. Finally made an account on here just to post my findings. 

So I spoke over the phone to the treasurer of the SBA. Whatever the base pay is at the moment for that detective, they will be pushed one step head and then be frozen until their promotion class catches up. 

I then called the DEA (a borough Delegate, said his name too fast) to determine if the service differential body camera is part of base pay and he confirmed yes it is. 

Ill provide photos but as of April 1, 2022 top pay detective will be $107,426, that is above Step 4 sgt at $105,604. Pushing a top pay detective to step 5 sgt.

Hope this helps, I will be deferring the rumored March 18th class

 

 



-- Edited by Scuba Steve on Wednesday 2nd of March 2022 05:53:21 PM

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If what you say is true then a top pay Detective (someone whos been in rank for 5 years) would become a top pay Sergeant. Any other Detectives will not. The 2.25% increase that you see on 4/1/22 is only for a detective in rank for five years. 

 

so if youre deferring past March I hope that youre a veteran Detective somewhere. 



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Scuba Steve wrote:

So there have been many rumors on these forums, I had to make some calls to verify. Finally made an account on here just to post my findings. 

So I spoke over the phone to the treasurer of the SBA. Whatever the base pay is at the moment for that detective, they will be pushed one step head and then be frozen until their promotion class catches up. 

I then called the DEA (a borough Delegate, said his name too fast) to determine if the service differential body camera is part of base pay and he confirmed yes it is. 

Ill provide photos but as of April 1, 2022 top pay detective will be $107,426, that is above Step 4 sgt at $105,604. Pushing a top pay detective to step 5 sgt.

Hope this helps, I will be deferring the rumored March 18th class

 

This is completely wrong. You will not go to top pay. You will be at Step 4. That 2.25% is NOT part of base salary. Call Labor Relations and get the correct answer. Do not defer the March promotion.  



-- Edited by Scuba Steve on Wednesday 2nd of March 2022 05:53:21 PM


 



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A 20% raise is pretty insane, particularly for a time period that includes the riots. I made like 160k as a 10 year cop, they're not gonna agree to give me a 5% retroactive raise.


 Did you live in the command that whole year ? 160k is insane


 He must cap out and went over the cap during the summer.  Which is what many people did which

 

what hes saying is true because thats what the sba intentionally negotiated. 



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Im going on base what DEA HQ is saying and documents being distributed. Ill dig even further. Eventually April 1 will be here.

Edit Update: NYC Labor relations is closed at the moment but I found this on their site. Giving me a bad feeling, I dont feel confident the DEA knows what they are talking about. Photo attached. 



-- Edited by Scuba Steve on Friday 4th of March 2022 02:52:42 AM

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Breeze and Semp are 1000 percent correct. The contract was negotiated the way it was on purpose because of what happened with the first few classes on our sgt's list with newly promoted SGTs going straight to the second to last step and then hitting top pay after a grievance that gave them alot of retro pay and top pay in under 2 years. The city bent over backwards to try and hold off on people going straight to top pay after one year because of what happened in 2018 and detectives lost that giant perk. Unfortunately, the SBA agreed to this.

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Yup, I figured! Enjoy your $500 pay "bump" for four years and zero overtime as a supervisor. 



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Try and get to transit. There's overtime.

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We will enjoy our promotion, thanks Vette.

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No complaints here, just stating the fact of the usual dept. sellout of the young. I was hoping that this whole list gets promoted, because why not? If you're tier 3 it's a no brainer to boss up for your pension. 



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My check is about $3631 as a PO. My check would be $4073 ($105,907) as a SGT Entry +15. Approx $884-Gross/$530-Net per month. Thats essentially 12.5 hours OT at top pay per month I dont have to work OT for. So Please someone help me understand how promotion is a bad thing unless youre guaranteed 40hrs/month guaranteed where I know Im not, & usually happy to see 10-20.



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VetteCop wrote:

No complaints here, just stating the fact of the usual dept. sellout of the young. I was hoping that this whole list gets promoted, because why not? If you're tier 3 it's a no brainer to boss up for your pension. 


 Its not selling out the young exactly when there are other unions trying to get a contract. Specifically ones of lower rank. Their concern isnt what the ranks above them are doing nor should that be a concern.  Their concern are their members. Rightfully so.  At some point the unions have to independently think about the members that pay dues And settle whats best for them. 



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The differential definitely counts. Many SGTs were affected by the snafu the department had with the SGTs getting promoted after the PBA had settled. Those SGTs went to the 2nd to last step then, after the grievance was filed, retroactively went to top pay. The department shouldnt lock anyone in to a pay step but if they do, there is a precedent in place already to grieve it. 



-- Edited by tdcarlin1 on Saturday 5th of March 2022 08:35:25 PM

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