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What should I do with the promotion [53 vote(s)]

Take the rank of Lt. It's better than Sgt. anywhere.
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Stay a Sgt. in a detail. It's better than Lt on patrol
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Take Lt and tough it out bc the money is worth it
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Thinking of Passing up Promotion


I finally got off patrol a little over a year ago and have a good amount of time in the Sgt rank. I'm guessing they will get to my list number in about 12 months where I will have about 3.5 years to retirement. I have steady days off and am getting my chart days.  With everything going on, is it worth taking the promotion ?



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your detail can go poof real quick and your back out there as a sgt

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20yrSentence wrote:

I finally got off patrol a little over a year ago and have a good amount of time in the Sgt rank. I'm guessing they will get to my list number in about 12 months where I will have about 3.5 years to retirement. I have steady days off and am getting my chart days.  With everything going on, is it worth taking the promotion ?


Take the promotion. Its all about your pension. Youll only need to do 1 extra year to get the top pay Lieutenant salary. Plus after 6 months you can always put in to get off patrol. The only dilemma would be if your in a place where youre getting 30-40 hours a month and your happy and it works for family life. 



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Only you know whats best for you and your family.

But i will say this.

Not every cop wants to be a sgt.
Not every Lt wants to be a capt.
But literally every sgt wants to be a Lt.

Theres a reason why some say its the best rank on this job.

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brooklynbacon wrote:

Only you know whats best for you and your family.

But i will say this.

Not every cop wants to be a sgt.
Not every Lt wants to be a capt.
But literally every sgt wants to be a Lt.

Theres a reason why some say its the best rank on this job.


 do you feel it still is?



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Absolutely.
This is hands down the best rank. Doesnt matter if youre in a busy or a slow house. As long as your CO/XO are good, you stay on top of your sh*t, youll be good. Now, if you have a year left, you get OT in your gig, definitely leaving at 20 on the dot, then no need to take promo. You still have 3 years, get promoted, right off the bat youll get 10K raise, hit 20th year and re-evaluate

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rookiebit_h wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:

Only you know whats best for you and your family.

But i will say this.

Not every cop wants to be a sgt.
Not every Lt wants to be a capt.
But literally every sgt wants to be a Lt.

Theres a reason why some say its the best rank on this job.


 do you feel it still is?


Hands down, still the best rank on this job. As long as you stay away from a command that has a shortage of supervisors, in which csse you'll be a Sgt with a white shirt, other than that you'll be good as a LT.

On patrol, you might have your occasional BS traffic stat meetings, platoon commander meetings etc.

In Housing, you're going to make a TON of overtime but deal with shootings all the time. 

Transit is practically an easy detail

Definitely take the promotion, max out your pension and leave this dreadfully vile department.

 

 



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Take the promotion, your crazy if you dont. I have the LCD money doing 40 a month in a sweet gig. Im making the same money if not more than 2 star chief. If you have a good reputation on this job as a sgt you will have NO problem landing a good spot as a LT very shortly after your promotion. Good Luck



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You're asking this question on an NYPD Promotional forum. You should know where the answers will fall, most will say take the promotion. Let me tell you as a Sgt. in a great gig, off the street doing 40 a month that I pretty much have the freedom to schedule my own OT + still getting my chart days.... Only YOU know the right answer for YOUR situation. There are too many variables at work here. Could you get booted from the detail? Sure? Or not? You could stay there and coast right til' 20 with zero stress. Or maybe you'll get hooked into another gig if you take the promotion to Lt? No one knows and to act like you do is pure speculation.

Or maybe you'll land in a busy command running around for the next 4 years stealing 49's from your Sgt's because there's absolutely no overtime? I've seen guys who were Sgt's in great gigs take the promotion with the promise and intention of getting hooked back into that detail that never happened because there were no vacancies in the rank of Lt.... or they just plain old got out-hooked. I've seen guys take the promotion to Lt. and after 6-8 months and the stars aligned and they were right back in that gig... There's too many variables at work here. For what it's worth, if you're in a good gig making money, I would say just stay. Getting off patrol is the #1 priority today and no matter what rank you are it can all go down in a ball of flames in a heartbeat. Been watching the news lately? You think any rank is safe? I've been on all sides of this job; busy commands, slow commands and everything in between... and now a bonafide detail where I can hopefully cruise a few more years til' 20 and out. The detail side without a doubt is where it's at. Quality of life and safety matter on this job.

Only you can make this decision. Good luck.

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Haha making money. Just wait to you see the overtime budget coming our way

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rookiebit_h wrote:
brooklynbacon wrote:

Only you know whats best for you and your family.

But i will say this.

Not every cop wants to be a sgt.
Not every Lt wants to be a capt.
But literally every sgt wants to be a Lt.

Theres a reason why some say its the best rank on this job.


 do you feel it still is?


Yes i do.  



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This is the easier question ever.  Yes, you take it.  LT to Captain is debatable in some circumstances. Not Sgt to LT



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what paperwork is involved in deferring?

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Id stay a Sgt given your circumstances. Plus most importantly youre working longer tours with ZERO CHART DAYS. Screw that

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fodx wrote:

Id stay a Sgt given your circumstances. Plus most importantly youre working longer tours with ZERO CHART DAYS. Screw that


 Worst post award. 



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Id stay a Sgt given your circumstances. Plus most importantly youre working longer tours with ZERO CHART DAYS. Screw that


 Worst post award. 


He's at the bottom of the LTs list, so he's trying to convince people to remain as Sergeants to make himself feel better for not doing well on the exam.



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Who cares if you pass up promotion.

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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.

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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?



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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?


 None, its a gentlemens club at LT



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monkeybones wrote:
rookiebit_h wrote:
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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?


 None, its a gentlemens club at LT


Couldnt have said it better. You essentially run the show as a LT. You come and go from the command as you please, no one ever questions what youre doing or why. No one looks for you. If theres a heavy job you go and show face and make sure the Sgt is taking care of business and then you leave and continue your day. You never get stuck on anything, you never have to do anything you dont want to do. Each day goes how you want it to go. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should turn down a promotion to Lt. 



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soccerpsyco32 wrote:
monkeybones wrote:
rookiebit_h wrote:
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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?


 None, its a gentlemens club at LT


Couldnt have said it better. You essentially run the show as a LT. You come and go from the command as you please, no one ever questions what youre doing or why. No one looks for you. If theres a heavy job you go and show face and make sure the Sgt is taking care of business and then you leave and continue your day. You never get stuck on anything, you never have to do anything you dont want to do. Each day goes how you want it to go. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should turn down a promotion to Lt. 


 This sounds too good to be true.. Circa 2005-2015



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I should put a disclaimer on my last post. It is all still true, BUT only if you are assigned to a command with ample resources. In other words, a ****hole command actually will work out better as a LT because there are always enough Sgts working. This will not be the case if you go to a C house. In a slow cushy command like the 112 or the 94, you will find yourself playing a game that my friends in these commands call Sergeant in a white shirt. In other words, because the command is so slow, they are given the bare minimum as far as staffing goes which means that anytime a Sergeant is out sick, vacation, training, etc, you will now be filling a Sergeant role. You want a busy A house command as a LT.

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I should put a disclaimer on my last post. It is all still true, BUT only if you are assigned to a command with ample resources. In other words, a ****hole command actually will work out better as a LT because there are always enough Sgts working. This will not be the case if you go to a C house. In a slow cushy command like the 112 or the 94, you will find yourself playing a game that my friends in these commands call Sergeant in a white shirt. In other words, because the command is so slow, they are given the bare minimum as far as staffing goes which means that anytime a Sergeant is out sick, vacation, training, etc, you will now be filling a Sergeant role. You want a busy A house command as a LT.

 

I will co-sign this

Busier commands with ample Sergeants is the way to go as a LT. I started off in a "slower" Bronx command, I had 2 Sgts on my platoon, so essentially I was a Sergeant in a white shirt. 

It's also easier to get pulled into a gig from a busier command with 8-9 Lts vs a slower command that has only 4 Lts.



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I should put a disclaimer on my last post. It is all still true, BUT only if you are assigned to a command with ample resources. In other words, a ****hole command actually will work out better as a LT because there are always enough Sgts working. This will not be the case if you go to a C house. In a slow cushy command like the 112 or the 94, you will find yourself playing a game that my friends in these commands call Sergeant in a white shirt. In other words, because the command is so slow, they are given the bare minimum as far as staffing goes which means that anytime a Sergeant is out sick, vacation, training, etc, you will now be filling a Sergeant role. You want a busy A house command as a LT.

 

I will co-sign this

Busier commands with ample Sergeants is the way to go as a LT. I started off in a "slower" Bronx command, I had 2 Sgts on my platoon, so essentially I was a Sergeant in a white shirt. 

It's also easier to get pulled into a gig from a busier command with 8-9 Lts vs a slower command that has only 4 Lts.


 pulled into a gig in house? or easier to apply and for them to let u go?



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I should put a disclaimer on my last post. It is all still true, BUT only if you are assigned to a command with ample resources. In other words, a ****hole command actually will work out better as a LT because there are always enough Sgts working. This will not be the case if you go to a C house. In a slow cushy command like the 112 or the 94, you will find yourself playing a game that my friends in these commands call Sergeant in a white shirt. In other words, because the command is so slow, they are given the bare minimum as far as staffing goes which means that anytime a Sergeant is out sick, vacation, training, etc, you will now be filling a Sergeant role. You want a busy A house command as a LT.

 

I will co-sign this

Busier commands with ample Sergeants is the way to go as a LT. I started off in a "slower" Bronx command, I had 2 Sgts on my platoon, so essentially I was a Sergeant in a white shirt. 

It's also easier to get pulled into a gig from a busier command with 8-9 Lts vs a slower command that has only 4 Lts.


 pulled into a gig in house? or easier to apply and for them to let u go?


A gig outside of the command...if you're in a command where there's 8-9 Lts it's easier to pull you out of that command and into the gig.



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soccerpsyco32 wrote:
monkeybones wrote:
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I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?


 None, its a gentlemens club at LT


Couldnt have said it better. You essentially run the show as a LT. You come and go from the command as you please, no one ever questions what youre doing or why. No one looks for you. If theres a heavy job you go and show face and make sure the Sgt is taking care of business and then you leave and continue your day. You never get stuck on anything, you never have to do anything you dont want to do. Each day goes how you want it to go. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should turn down a promotion to Lt. 


 100% this.

But dont be the guy that sits in the lounge all day. Help your sgts. Do meals. Dont let people step on them. 



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brooklynbacon wrote:
soccerpsyco32 wrote:
monkeybones wrote:
rookiebit_h wrote:
monkeybones wrote:

I had a great gig with 40 @ my desk as a SGT. I still took the promotion to LT and wouldnt have had it any other way.


 no regrets?


 None, its a gentlemens club at LT


Couldnt have said it better. You essentially run the show as a LT. You come and go from the command as you please, no one ever questions what youre doing or why. No one looks for you. If theres a heavy job you go and show face and make sure the Sgt is taking care of business and then you leave and continue your day. You never get stuck on anything, you never have to do anything you dont want to do. Each day goes how you want it to go. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should turn down a promotion to Lt. 


 100% this.

But dont be the guy that sits in the lounge all day. Help your sgts. Do meals. Dont let people step on them. 


 Yep.. I swore to myself, "I'll never be like ____...  "   Only covered the desk for meal never put on a gun-belt and relieved patrol..    You see many Lts out for themselves and don't defend their sgts



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Stay with your gig with chart days and OT.. Patrol is for the birds. Youre basically treated like a rookie cop again as a Junior Lt. If youve been off patrol 5-10 years, theres a ton of changes that were made and that youll have to get used to..

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If you have a plugged in CO hes gonna be on your As* checking up on you and keeeping you accountable.. If you have a platoon of fresh sgts youre gonna be playing FTO supervisor. Change sucks..

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Ultimately its whatever works best for your family.
But going off the last year, no gig is safe and overtime isn't guaranteed.
I'm in a good gig but I studied, passed the test, and will get an automatic $12,000 just to walk in the door.
I rather get paid more to walk in everyday than be here more. I only have 3 left also, but one step back for two forward.



-- Edited by goodbye_at20 on Wednesday 9th of December 2020 05:48:21 PM

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Ultimately its whatever works best for your family.
But going off the last year, no gig is safe and overtime isn't guaranteed.
I'm in a good gig but I studied, passed the test, and will get an automatic $12,000 just to walk in the door.
I rather get paid more to walk in everyday than be here more. I only have 3 left also, but one step back for two forward.



-- Edited by goodbye_at20 on Wednesday 9th of December 2020 05:48:21 PM


 one step back for two forward..  I like that line 



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Thank you everyone for the input. I appreciate it. I am most likely taking the promotion. I hope I dont wind up in a place where Im going to kick myself.

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20yrSentence wrote:

Thank you everyone for the input. I appreciate it. I am most likely taking the promotion. I hope I dont wind up in a place where Im going to kick myself.


 can I add to this question?

Sgt with the money. Good gig, m-f, steady overtime (not a lot, but consistent). Take the promotion?



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Good gigs can change w a simple finest message. Being a lt on patrol is the worse it can get and it really aint that bad

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Take the rank and then become a captain. Its the only way to guarantee the highest possible pension. 

Anyone depending on anticipated OT at this point is being foolish.   I think future Exams for all ranks are going to be super competitive now knowing this.



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Definitely take the promo. Im a lieutenant on patrol. Which is probably the least desirable gig of all lieutenants. I do absolutely nothing everyday as long as i have sgts working under me. Im only obligated to go out at a major incident such as a shooting or 10-85. No chart days sucks but time is always available to accrue. No one bothers you and half the time the pct commander looks for the sgts if he needs anything done. You can take whatever day off youd like and its never a problem. Your contractually guaranteed piece of the weekend rdo. And there are far better gigs in this rank than what im doing. Take the promotion. No way you can regret it. And if you do, give back the shield. No one forces you to keep it.

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Used to do 3x49's and a TRI at EOT and the Lt looks at me and say "you got it right" and signs out.

The OT was great but being a LT has got to be even better.

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Used to do 3x49's and a TRI at EOT and the Lt looks at me and say "you got it right" and signs out.

The OT was great but being a LT has got to be even better.


 Damn cry I would have taken at least one of the 49's from you to help ease the workload.

But yes, essentially this is true. The LT works at his own pace, while the Sgt does the bulk of the work.



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Take the promotion I was a Sgt for a long time Ive had gigs. Ive done patrol in a busy house. Lt is really the best rank. I dont miss Sgt life at all. With the new contract the money is good. If you go to a busy house the overtime modules are there. LTs get first dibs on that overtime too. FYI 



-- Edited by Finest23 on Tuesday 15th of December 2020 10:55:13 AM



-- Edited by Finest23 on Tuesday 15th of December 2020 10:56:36 AM

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Will a SA Sgt making 125531 now go straight to LT top pay? Or will he be at 125531 for 3 years?

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Superman wrote:

Will a SA Sgt making 125531 now go straight to LT top pay? Or will he be at 125531 for 3 years?


 You have to be SSA for three years to become a top pay Lieutenant. 



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Will a SA Sgt making 125531 now go straight to LT top pay? Or will he be at 125531 for 3 years?


 You have to be SSA for three years to become a top pay Lieutenant. 


 Been top pay ssa 2 years, ssa for 5. Right now its at 125531 and top pay Lt is 135xxx. Last step before Lt top pay is less than 125531. So will top pay ssa go straight to 135xxx upon promotion. 



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