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SATCOM · Senior Member

Scaling

CappedOut · Senior Member

If your scale is correct (.80 vs 1), then yes that looks right.

a 90 would become a 92 etc. But again that's only if each question wrong is only .80.

Team J · Senior Member

If that scale is correct .. An original score of 63 would bring you up to a 70

-- Edited by Team J on Monday 2nd of April 2018 03:59:23 PM

Failboat · Senior Member

If this nonsense is true which I doubt. What's the point? The alleged size of the list is already too big to promote everyone. This would change nothing.

-- Edited by Failboat on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:27:58 PM

sig226 · Senior Member

Failboat wrote:
If this nonsense is true which I doubt. What's the point? The alleged size of the list is already too big to promote everyone. This would change nothing.

-- Edited by Failboat on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:27:58 PM

The initial headcount for recent Sgt test was also huge and yet it ballooned beyond stratosphere with this new method

Leslie · Guru

Failboat wrote:
If this nonsense is true which I doubt. What's the point? The alleged size of the list is already too big to promote everyone. This would change nothing.

-- Edited by Failboat on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:27:58 PM

Youre right the same ppl that originally passed will get promoted However with more on the list who can sue?!?!

CappedOut · Senior Member

Failboat wrote:
If this nonsense is true which I doubt. What's the point? The alleged size of the list is already too big to promote everyone. This would change nothing.

-- Edited by Failboat on Monday 2nd of April 2018 05:27:58 PM

They have to do this in order to give a different make up exam.

If our test had an average score of a 73, and the make up exam had an average score of an 89, we'd flip out saying their exam was easier. So in order to be able to make ONE LIST from TWO DIFFERENT exams, they have to scale one to match the other. They obviously aren't going to scale it the other way and make the 89 match the 73 (taking points away from people and turning passing scores into failing scores). So this is what we're left with.

Sgt2b · Veteran Member

Scaling is such a nice term for this. Doesnt make people feel bad cuz its politically correct, however, this scaling is actually called affirmative impact ..... its the citys way to get more people of a certain background on to the list.... dont believe me? Inquire within and youll get your answers

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Wait , does the scaling count for all score? Or just passing scores? Can anyone confirm?

SATCOM · Senior Member

All scores

Flatbread King · Veteran Member

If you scored in the low to mid seventies, this could potentially hurt you badly.

tweezy · Senior Member

Wish this scaling BS should have been done on the 2015 test where the original test average was like a 45 and the makeup average was like a 90 bc of those scammers

Flatbread King · Veteran Member

tweezy wrote:
Wish this scaling BS should have been done on the 2015 test where the original test average was like a 45 and the makeup average was like a 90 bc of those scammers

Good point. Most of us would be lieutenants already...

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Flatbread King wrote:
tweezy wrote:
Wish this scaling BS should have been done on the 2015 test where the original test average was like a 45 and the makeup average was like a 90 bc of those scammers
Good point. Most of us would be lieutenants already...

Agree 100% smh

Chew11 · Senior Member

Still cant believe doctor Papi took the test again when he already had that medical degree to fall back on. Congrats doc !

fodx · Guru

So the alleged passing number of 1287 is WITH this scaling? So not as many passed outright as originally thought then. Imagine if they weren't doing this, the list would be under 1000.

Leslie · Guru

fodx wrote:
So the alleged passing number of 1287 is WITH this scaling? So not as many passed outright as originally thought then. Imagine if they weren't doing this, the list would be under 1000.

Stop worrying and enjoy your chart days

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Chew11 wrote:
Still cant believe doctor Papi took the test again when he already had that medical degree to fall back on. Congrats doc !

Lol,...love the NYPD

tdcarlin1 · Senior Member

I could pass with an initial score of 63! Awesome! This is like the Sergeant's list right? Anything under 1900 and I'm good? ;)

TooSucio4u · Senior Member

Sgt2b wrote:
Scaling is such a nice term for this. Doesnt make people feel bad cuz its politically correct, however, this scaling is actually called affirmative impact ..... its the citys way to get more people of a certain background on to the list.... dont believe me? Inquire within and youll get your answers

Oh deer .......

TransitJoe · Senior Member

Its actually 100% legit technique used for all standardized tests (GRE, LSAT, CPA)

www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/RD_Connections16.pdf

fodx · Guru

Leslie wrote:
fodx wrote:
So the alleged passing number of 1287 is WITH this scaling? So not as many passed outright as originally thought then. Imagine if they weren't doing this, the list would be under 1000.
Stop worrying and enjoy your chart days

LMAO oh you know I am. Well played.

Theforceisstrongwiththisone · Guru

SATCOM wrote:
Apparently this will greatly benefit scores of 66-69.
From my understanding if 2 exams are given and one exam has a higher average than the other; the harder exam will be slightly curved to be in proportion with the other.
You are pretty much guaranteed to pass if you are at a 68/69.
Rumor has it that the original test date will have a .80 deduction for each incorrect answer as opposed to the traditional 1 point deduction.
So If you are at a 69.... you got 31 wrong.
31x.20=6.2
69 You'll end up with 75.62 raw score (with the seniority, physical, medals....you can potentially go from a 69 to an 80)

-- Edited by SATCOM on Monday 2nd of April 2018 11:56:08 PM

Sat com you hit the nail on the head. For all of us who scored in the 90s and high 80s were good...but for the poor guys who were originally sitting 80 and below have a legitmate right to be pissed.

Theforceisstrongwiththisone · Guru

Sgt2b wrote:
Scaling is such a nice term for this. Doesnt make people feel bad cuz its politically correct, however, this scaling is actually called affirmative impact ..... its the citys way to get more people of a certain background on to the list.... dont believe me? Inquire within and youll get your answers

As one of the originally defenders of the 9heroes...im backing sgt2be on this one. I dont think points were awarded to certain people based on demographics as eze has said is unconstitutional (although dcas has not released their scaling method best to my knowledge). I do think the list was scaled the way satcom says it was all in the name of the DCAS' agenda (defacto the City Council's agenda...follow their marijuana disparity impact crusade).

I really wish people would stop saying the job had hand in this because they did not. All the job does is provide test writers.

And all we can hope for is a fair grading process from DCAS. I know people are going to say Im crying again but Im just sticking up for the poor guys and girls on the low end of sgt, and soon to be Lt/Capt list who will get jump by a person with more senority, veteran, and jst points who didnt originally pass. If we are not able to promote everyone on the list, which I dont think is feasible based on vacancy/attrition numbers, then what DCAS did is truely digusting.

Leslie · Guru

Theforceisstrongwiththisone wrote:
Sgt2b wrote:
Scaling is such a nice term for this. Doesnt make people feel bad cuz its politically correct, however, this scaling is actually called affirmative impact ..... its the citys way to get more people of a certain background on to the list.... dont believe me? Inquire within and youll get your answers
As one of the originally defenders of the 9heroes...im backing sgt2be on this one. I dont think points were awarded to certain people based on demographics as eze has said is unconstitutional (although dcas has not released their scaling method best to my knowledge). I do think the list was scaled the way satcom says it was all in the name of the DCAS' agenda (defacto the City Council's agenda...follow their marijuana disparity impact crusade).
I really wish people would stop saying the job had hand in this because they did not. All the job does is provide test writers.
And all we can hope for is a fair grading process from DCAS. I know people are going to say Im crying again but Im just sticking up for the poor guys and girls on the low end of sgt, and soon to be Lt/Capt list who will get jump by a person with more senority, veteran, and jst points who didnt originally pass. If we are not able to promote everyone on the list, which I dont think is feasible based on vacancy/attrition numbers, then what DCAS did is truely digusting.

The force is weak with this one. Who cares guy... wheres the damn list

Rondean · Member

Hopefully we will all find out real soon regarding this new disaster for the NYPD's future promotions!