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Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Sgt Vacancies

63ASAP · Guru

As of February 18, there are 135 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 77 on terminal leave.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

63ASAP wrote:
As of February 18, there are 135 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 77 on terminal leave.

Through the first 7 weeks of 2019 weve picked up 18 new vacancies and 38 new terminals. Thats 56 sgts who have retired or are Running their time ( yes I know some people run their time and come back, or its a scam to get a certain day off). But if you expand that out over the course of a year thats 416 potential vacancies. ((52/7) x 56 = aprox 416) Will this trend remain consistent? Probably not. Theres nothing consistent about this whole process but also realize that is without a single person getting promoted to LT. If you consider 416 potential vacancies, plus LTs promotions, plus the vacancies that already exist, theres potential for a lot of promotions To Sgt. And before someone replies that the LTs list slowed down, I did the same math for the LTs list too. If their 7 week trend continues they r looking at something like 150 potential vacancies. And thats with no one getting promoted to captain. Again full disclosure, this math is totally self serving because my list number is 1450-1470 depending which list you look at

63ASAP · Guru

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
63ASAP wrote:
As of February 18, there are 135 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 77 on terminal leave.
Through the first 7 weeks of 2019 weve picked up 18 new vacancies and 38 new terminals. Thats 56 sgts who have retired or are Running their time ( yes I know some people run their time and come back, or its a scam to get a certain day off). But if you expand that out over the course of a year thats 416 potential vacancies. ((52/7) x 56 = aprox 416) Will this trend remain consistent? Probably not. Theres nothing consistent about this whole process but also realize that is without a single person getting promoted to LT. If you consider 416 potential vacancies, plus LTs promotions, plus the vacancies that already exist, theres potential for a lot of promotions To Sgt. And before someone replies that the LTs list slowed down, I did the same math for the LTs list too. If their 7 week trend continues they r looking at something like 150 potential vacancies. And thats with no one getting promoted to captain. Again full disclosure, this math is totally self serving because my list number is 1450-1470 depending which list you look at

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allycat · Veteran Member

Anybody have word on the mentoring letters

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
63ASAP wrote:
As of February 18, there are 135 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 77 on terminal leave.
Through the first 7 weeks of 2019 weve picked up 18 new vacancies and 38 new terminals. Thats 56 sgts who have retired or are Running their time ( yes I know some people run their time and come back, or its a scam to get a certain day off). But if you expand that out over the course of a year thats 416 potential vacancies. ((52/7) x 56 = aprox 416) Will this trend remain consistent? Probably not. Theres nothing consistent about this whole process but also realize that is without a single person getting promoted to LT. If you consider 416 potential vacancies, plus LTs promotions, plus the vacancies that already exist, theres potential for a lot of promotions To Sgt. And before someone replies that the LTs list slowed down, I did the same math for the LTs list too. If their 7 week trend continues they r looking at something like 150 potential vacancies. And thats with no one getting promoted to captain. Again full disclosure, this math is totally self serving because my list number is 1450-1470 depending which list you look at

I actually would think there would be an increase in the vacancies and the logic behind that thought is that we are coming up to the 20 year anniversaries of the large classes. Granted people are staying longer then 20 year if theyve been promoted, bust some still do leave at 20.

yougonow · Guru

For Det. Simonsen' funeral, I saw A LOT of Sgts and LTs with 5 hash marks or better. A lot. I cant see them staying much longer. And no I dont believe they were retired as they were clean shaven and with their fellow collar brass/people.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
For Det. Simonsen' funeral, I saw A LOT of Sgts and LTs with 5 hash marks or better. A lot. I cant see them staying much longer. And no I dont believe they were retired as they were clean shaven and with their fellow collar brass/people.

3rdtime and yougonow, I want you guys to be right in the worst way. But even I think that the math I posted above is wishful thinking. So far the vacancies / terminals for this year are promising, but its got to stay this way. I need double digit vacancies / terminals every update from 63asap

TransitCop · Senior Member

If you 1470-1500 you are safe and have nothing to worry about. Im low 1800s and thats razors edge in my book. The way I see it I either make the last class or die on the list. Anyone over 2k can forget about it.

-- Edited by TransitCop on Thursday 28th of February 2019 02:37:51 AM

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Would anyone happen to know the current vacancy count ?

63ASAP · Guru

As of March 4, there are 156 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 64 on terminal leave. This does not include today's promotions. That effectively brings it to ~84 vacancies (I counted 72 on the personnel order).

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

So through the first 2 months of the year weve picked up 39 vacancies plus 25 terminals. 64 total

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Does anyone know how many vacancies we have ?

63ASAP · Guru

As of March 18, there are 89 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 68 on terminal leave.

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Thank you so much 63 Asap,

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

For what it's worth I counted 10 sgts and 4 Lts that appeared at the pension section to prepare for retirement most have dates between 4/30 and early June

cop · Senior Member

we should be getting vacancy update soon?

63ASAP · Guru

As of April 2, there are 118 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 57 on terminal leave.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Although Ive generally been the voice of doom and gloom screaming that the sky is falling, through the first quarter of this year according to ASAPs updates there have been 91 new vacancies/ terminals. And thats without a single person getting promoted to LT in 2019. If those numbers keep up, plus just a respectable number of LT promotions, it should keep sgts promotions along historical averages. The overtime cap dropping from 40 to 30 is a total wild card because now retirement eligible sgts best years might be behind them. Sticking around only damages their pension.

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Any update on vacancies count ?

Theforceisstrongwiththisone · Guru

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
Although Ive generally been the voice of doom and gloom screaming that the sky is falling, through the first quarter of this year according to ASAPs updates there have been 91 new vacancies/ terminals. And thats without a single person getting promoted to LT in 2019. If those numbers keep up, plus just a respectable number of LT promotions, it should keep sgts promotions along historical averages. The overtime cap dropping from 40 to 30 is a total wild card because now retirement eligible sgts best years might be behind them. Sticking around only damages their pension.

The vacancies are there but since there are no vacancies in the executive ranks...it is slowing things up...we need some guys to start retiring

63ASAP · Guru

As of mid-April, there are 151 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 63 on terminal leave. Remember, this does not include the current BMOC class who will be promoted on May 3.

Allmostthere · Veteran Member

I believe another group of Sgts will be retiring next month. We need to regain that momentum!!

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Picking up 33 vacancies and 6 terminals in 2 weeks I would say is gaining momentum. I believe that puts us at 130 new vacancies / terminals for the year. I believe on the same days as the sgts promotion is the LTs promotion so thatll be close to a wash

yougonow · Guru

151 vacancies minus the 49 in bmoc, thats 102. Hopefully those terminals flip. Guys really should take the buyout and keep it moving. Enjoy life!

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
151 vacancies minus the 49 in bmoc, thats 102. Hopefully those terminals flip. Guys really should take the buyout and keep it moving. Enjoy life!

Now add the 35 sgts getting promoted to LT, thats 137.

yougonow · Guru

LTs get promoted up front. Do those numbers reflect that, or does it reflect post bmoc promotion ceremony?

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

It reflects whats going to happen on May 3rd. 151 vacancies minus 49 getting promoted to Sgt plus 35 sgts getting promoted to LT. On May 4th there will be 137 vacancies

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

It will be more than 137, because about 16 have 4/30 retirement dates

yougonow · Guru

Great now lets see if the powers to be put in 80 next class.

Allmostthere · Veteran Member

As long as they consistently put in classes, im Happy!

63ASAP · Guru

As of May 2, there are 149 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 65 on terminal leave. Remember, this does not include the May 3 promotions of 51. This effectively brings the vacancies to 98.

yougonow · Guru

Now i doubt a 80 class. Maybe 65 to 70

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Yea but then you have to add the 36 sgts who went to LT

63ASAP · Guru

Sensei255 wrote:
Yea but then you have to add the 36 sgts who went to LT

Yes, good point. I forgot to take that into account. So figure ~134 vacancies.

Sensei255 · Veteran Member

Any word on vacancies?

Allmostthere · Veteran Member

Any new sgt vacancies As of June?

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

63asap is done. The new Lt mentoring went in and hes in that class. He doesnt have access to the vacancies anymore

TransitCop · Senior Member

Anyone else has access to those numbers?

yougonow · Guru

Dcas has cleared to list #800. That is typically good news.

63ASAP · Guru

Hey guys/girls, sorry for the delay. It's been an odd month for me and I've been a little pre-occupied. As of June 17, there are 163 sergeant vacancies (which includes allotment for SSA/SDS), and an additional 87 on terminal leave. Obviously, this does not include tomorrow's promotions.

yougonow · Guru

Post graduation Sgt Bmoc+/- 200 Vacancies in the next month or so just on attrition. Not including the alleged 50 Sgts going in to LT BMOC in a few weeks as well. Potentially 250 vacancies by end of July from what I gather.

Thanks 63 appreciate it.

-- Edited by yougonow on Thursday 27th of June 2019 07:48:33 PM

-- Edited by yougonow on Thursday 27th of June 2019 10:47:33 PM

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

If this doesnt include the people getting promoted to Sgt, it also doesnt include the Sgts getting promoted to LT. So theres little change in vacancies after this weekend

yougonow · Guru

30sgt openings due to Lt promotion, unaccounted for. Plus another 50 Sgt to Lt bmoc in a few weeks allegedly, 52 promoted to Sgt.

52 - 163 111. Lets say 80 turn from terminals, 191. Plus 70 Sgt to Lt promotees we are well into the mid to upper 200s

Minus lets say 80 for sgt bmoc promotion in 7 weeks, plus whatever vacancies between then, its still upper 190s or so presumed vacancies.

Chances are 900-920 list number for last class of 2019.

-- Edited by yougonow on Friday 28th of June 2019 03:53:37 AM

3rdtimetheCharm · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
30sgt openings due to Lt promotion, unaccounted for. Plus another 50 Sgt to Lt bmoc in a few weeks allegedly, 52 promoted to Sgt.

52 - 163 111. Lets say 80 turn from terminals, 191. Plus 70 Sgt to Lt promotees we are well into the mid to upper 200s

Minus lets say 80 for sgt bmoc promotion in 7 weeks, plus whatever vacancies between then, its still upper 190s or so presumed vacancies.

Oh I know this math answer x = -X

TransitCop · Senior Member

What list number are they up to?

SRGrook033 · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
What list number are they up to?

I believe 619

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

My delegate came back from the most recent DEA meeting and said that as per the union retirements are up 40% job wide this year compared to last year. This is why vacancies are so high right now. The amount of promotions isnt keeping up with retirements.

yougonow · Guru

Yeah unfortunately most of those retirements are PO and Dets. I see FB posts all the time with shields on the 1pp pillow and its vast majority a white shield or a det.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Any sgt or lt retiring is good for us. Keep them coming.