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stiggityone · Guru

I think this is an utter disgrace..

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Thanks for the support sir. It is going to lead to more lawsuits, trust me.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

stiggity, in range of challenges to ur 2011 Lt exam u didn't pass an exam nearly as hard as the degree of difficulty to this. this is the hardest exam the job has ever put out, as quoted by yano. so while ur feedback is appreciated your scope on this exam is limited due to not experiencing it.

CryTwoSeven · Guru

I say promote everyone, have a new test soon without a $100 fee. Make changes to limit people that have a unfair advantage.

-- Edited by CryTwoSeven on Friday 25th of March 2016 11:06:25 PM

stiggityone · Guru

Did you take the 2011 Lieutenant's exam or any of the recent Captain's exam? Difficulty is relative. And don't quote "yano", you sound silly when you do that. No one is saying your exam wasn't difficult. You're grossly missing the point though. This could be the hardest exam in the history of all exams ever given...
Some people legitimately passed it!! How is it fair to these individuals who obviously worked their asses off, are extremely intelligent and are amazing test takers, that they actually conquer this test and then get screwed over?

-- Edited by stiggityone on Friday 25th of March 2016 11:10:08 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

valid point stiggity. it all started when someone was picked to write it.

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

Exactly. It's insane. How are we being punished?

sixmonthwonder · Guru

CryTwoSeven wrote:
I say promote everyone, have a new test soon without a $100 fee. Make changes to limit people that have a unfair advantage.

-- Edited by CryTwoSeven on Friday 25th of March 2016 11:06:25 PM

How come people as rational as this guy can't run the City? This is an easy fix that somehow eludes the people at the top.

-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Friday 25th of March 2016 11:30:02 PM

bngeek · Senior Member

No one is saying it is fair that you guys that legitimately passed are caught in the freeze. It is unfair, absolutely.

If I were party to this lawsuit, my goal would be to bring about reform to the exam procedure... And not to get the list tossed.

The cheaters who made it will hopefully get their come uppance in life... But what I really really want is just a fair shot at the next exam.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

bngeek wrote:
No one is saying it is fair that you guys that legitimately passed are caught in the freeze. It is unfair, absolutely.

If I were party to this lawsuit, my goal would be to bring about reform to the exam procedure... And not to get the list tossed.

The cheaters who made it will hopefully get their come uppance in life... But what I really really want is just a fair shot at the next exam.

Their goal is to get the list tossed though.

bngeek · Senior Member

No it isn't. Where do you get that?

Point 50
Accordingly, I, individually, and on behalf of the proposed class, am requesting an Order from this Court enjoining the NYPD from issuing any promotions based on the results of the Lieutenant's Exam, and the resulting Eligible List, until the investigation into the cheating allegations is complete.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Thier goal is probably not to get it tossed. Its probably more to get on it.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

They are trying to get it tossed, 100% trust me.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Bullet C.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Thats Pointless. I failed and i will be pissed at that. That only prolongs another exam.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Exactly. These guys threw everyone who passed under the bus for no reason.

We all know makeup exam takers cheated, there's substantial evidence of it; the people who took the original test did not cheat. One guy hearing whispers in the bathroom? Seriously? Freeze promotions to lieutenant in the largest police force in the United States because of...bathroom whispers? Only in New York.

Now there's going to be a multi-million dollar counter-suit over bathroom whispers. Hard work gets you nowhere and the lawyers get rich no matter what. Discouraging to say the least.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

No win situation for anyone. Once our suit drops it will could possibly be years until another Lt exam.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I doubt this list gets tossed.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I doubt this list gets tossed.

Hope you're right brother.

Another thing is I don't see anything in the lawsuit that will help deserving people like you get on the list. Disgraceful.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I doubt this list gets tossed.

I agree

bngeek · Senior Member

sixmonthwonder wrote:
Bullet C.

Good find... I'm having a hard time tracking down all the filings.... Registered a PACER account but think I have to pay to do searches for court documents... Is that what you do?

Thanks.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

sixmonthwonder wrote:
Su Madre 24 wrote:
I doubt this list gets tossed.
Hope you're right brother.
Another thing is I don't see anything in the lawsuit that will help deserving people like you get on the list. Disgraceful.

Has every found every page of the lawsuit? I know a few that were posted

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

160 out of 2400 ppl passed is the the best proof that integrity of the original exam was not compromised. Therefore, what is the basis to toss the original exam?

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Ineed63 wrote:
160 out of 2400 ppl passed is the the best proof that integrity of the original exam was not compromised. Therefore, what is the basis to toss the original exam?

Seriously, if there was "widespread cheating" then why isn't the passing rate above 7%? This bathroom whisper nonsense is holding up promotions for people who passed the hardest exam ever given by the City, this needs to stop now.

Sgt4Sure · Member

I haven't posted in a long time because i basically attained the rank of Lt the last exam so posting amongst your guys with irrelevant but I must say that the recent shenanigans plaguing this crop of wanna be Lts is side splitting. I just can not stop laughing at the situation befalling the unlucky 164. Between you and me I highly suspect that this exam will be thrown out. the writing is on the wall so my recommendation is that most of you who didnt cheat should at least start studying again.

Just my two cents.

TOODLES!

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Not the time man.

queensloser · Senior Member

DCAS has rules and lawsuits the lead up to unfair exams have been examined closely bu judges, FDNY test a few years ago was tossed for being an unfair exam and the whole thing was tossed. To deny "the 9" and label them as being jealous is totally unfair. They are trying to fix a process that has been broken for many years. For months people have cried about doing something on this board about the exam and when people finally do they are labeled haters, cry babies etc. Its a shame it has come down to this. I wish everyone luck and the best outcome for all. Just remember the real reason we're in this debacle

Sgt4Sure · Member

In all honesty the only way to make sure everyone dealt with accordingly is to scrub the test and give a new one. The embedded cheaters will not be found and only those caught on the surface of this scandal will be washed away with an investigation. If you want to get to the core of the cheating the entire test has to be scrubbed. You can not make an omelet without cracking a few eggs and sadly everyone shall be taking this test over again for the greater good. Also keep in mind that only 160 or so people are really being inconvenienced. A very small workable group is being disrupted which basically assures that this test will in the end be scrubbed.

FranknBeans · Senior Member

I think there's a lack of oversight in this department when it comes to promotion exams. Like on your lieutenants exam how can more than half the test NOT be based on the patrol guide and no one noticed until after the fact?

For the 2015 exam you put in a Captain who's been continually bounced in charge of this exam. Like who does that?

sixmonthwonder · Guru

FranknBeans wrote:

I think there's a lack of oversight in this department when it comes to promotion exams. Like on your lieutenants exam how can more than half the test NOT be based on the patrol guide and no one noticed until after the fact?

For the 2015 exam you put in a Captain who's been continually bounced in charge of this exam. Like who does that?

The NYPD does it I guess. Most famous police department in the world can't even correctly write an exam. They probably literally picked the worst possible people to write this thing.

fedup · Senior Member

stiggityone you used to troll the 2011 sergeant exam board continuously stating the list would be cut. You also stated that if the entire list was promoted you wouldn't post on this website ever again. Keep your word and please go away.

FranknBeans · Senior Member

sixmonthwonder wrote:
FranknBeans wrote:

I think there's a lack of oversight in this department when it comes to promotion exams. Like on your lieutenants exam how can more than half the test NOT be based on the patrol guide and no one noticed until after the fact?

For the 2015 exam you put in a Captain who's been continually bounced in charge of this exam. Like who does that?
The NYPD does it I guess. Most famous police department in the world can't even correctly write an exam. They probably literally picked the worst possible people to write this thing.

Very true!