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I signed up just to get in on this lawsuit. This city is a disgrace and they should pay. I passed fair in square and shouldn't be punished because the city and DCAS gave away the store to a bunch of weasels months AFTER I already took and passed the toughest test I've ever taken.

Please include me on the list of participants if things go south on Monday, as I believe they will. I also think we should write the commissioner letters personally and ask him why this Department is punishing its best and brightest after sacrificing 8 months of their lives preparing for this debacle. I think kindly worded letters of the time we spent away from family studying, dedicating time and attending classes between tours and on RDOs would work best, much like Brooklynborn's words above.

Nikkydenimblue wrote:

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Guys we don't have to wait till Monday. The job agreed to freeze promotions!! Read the thread sumadre created regarding the daily news article. It's happened. Monday is no longer necessary.

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 Ok, will have to create a facebook account and group. Then hit up lawyers on monday

bigfoot45 wrote:

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Guys and Gals, I'm out of town till Monday but I have no problem dropping a counter suit if needed.  Lets wait till Monday night.

We are going to get promoted!

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Check your PM friend, the time for battle is now.

Who will fight this through? "Regular elite" approx 144 IAB/acronym scammers with unfair advantage or "True elite" approx 20 real Patrol Sergeants? My respect is to the True elite only, no sympathy for anyone else if the list gets thrown out. I hope someone actually reviews the exam given so everyone see what was the real injustice that happened here.

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sixmonthwonder wrote:

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I've taken many tests in my days. You can't compare this to anything you did in high school or college. This was by far the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, I would rather go to war for a year than go through that again. I mean that in the most literal sense possible.

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 It also was the toughest exam I have ever taken in my academic career. I have tremendous respect for the legitimare passers of the test.

This test won't get tossed, that's not even the intentions of the people suing.  But to try to say this test was fair is insane.  There were questions on there where they drew the answer from after the cutoff date!!!!   What needs to happen even more than a curve is just an honest review of the questions submitted for changes.  To come away with zero changes is not an honest review, its corruption.....

I have been silent for some time now but have reached my tipping point.

I am one of the original 164 passers and I got the call last Tuesday for promotion on the 29th. I then called my whole family to take the day off, purchased all my uniforms and half emptied my locker. The next evening I got a devastating call from EMD telling me "sorry, I hate to do this, but the lieutenant promotions are cancelled." The person calling me was obviously disturbed by what he had to do but was a complete gentleman about it. My response to him was "why isn't this being limited to the makeup exam people?" It was a rhetorical question but I think we both understood that this was not right.

Anyway, let me tell you a little about my background so you understand where I am coming from. I did 6 years active duty in the Air Force, have 2 associates degrees, a bachelors degree, and a masters degree all with a 4.0 GPA. I am an instrument-rated licensed pilot and practiced in aerospace safety and aircraft accident investigation and also put satellites into polar orbit from California. I was in the first group promoted off of the 2011 Sgt exam in which I also took the original test. When it comes to taking exams, I can consider myself a pseudo-expert in the area.

Many of the questions on this exam appeared to have flaws in their logic and/or grammar or even appeared to be an outright way to eat up your time by doing over 20 individual calculations for 1 darn question. BUT, just because of the fact that some questions are flawed does not lend itself to meaning the exam process that day was fundamentally flawed or there was inequitable treatment of test takers as long as certain reasonably equal procedural and environmental conditons were met. And further for the April 18 exam, even with flawed or low blow questions, because everyone walked in that day with no prior knowledge of the exam and the exam was equal to everyone who took it that day it can be argued those conditions were met. DCAS cannot control the fact that someone on the street is blaring music in a busy city. There will always be some variables that are reasonablably outside the control of any organization.

As for purported bathroom conversations, first let me say that because I may have had to use the bathroom a couple times over a 7 hour period that it should not cause someone to impugn my integrity. And for argument's sake, let's assume that even if what the "9" are saying about whispers did happen, this test was so over the top that it would have taken about a half hour of discussion just to figure out the answer to ONE question. So give me a break with your transparently false accusations that attempt to impugn my integrity. I have been defamed and am NOT happy. 

Also with regard to the original exam, if our pass rate is being used to compare to the pass rate of the makeup exam to show that the makeup exam takers had prior knowledge, DOESN'T THE USE OF THAT STATISTIC IMPLY THAT THE ORIGINAL TEST DAY PASSING RATE IS UNTAINTED BY CHEATING??? If you use it as a baseline, then you admit it shows what the passing rate is without cheating!!!

It is very elementary to understand that the makeup exams were comprimised based not only on their pass rates for this  exam, but by the average score attained by them compared to us. Their exams were given on distinctly different dates that came after ours, and any negative action with regard to promotions should be limited to those who took the compromised exams. Even if information was smuggled out of the protest session in May by an original test taker, it is still separate and distinct from the fact that on April 18, no one had any prior knowledge of the exam. So assuming someone may have done something improper or illegal at the protest session and posted here on this forum, 1) that misconduct happened AFTER April 18 and 2) that/those individual(s) should be specifically targeted for discipline.

I do believe that for the makeup exam takers, punishment should only come for them if it can be found that they ACTIVELY sought out information. One cannot help what he/she sees or overhears over the course of a couple months, but if there is evidence they actively sought information then discipline is justified.

As for how DCAS administers the exam, many of you have already discussed this well in detail and I agree that a weekday test is the one of the ONLY viable options to correct this farce.

Finally, I would like to say that if the entire list is discarded, I will find it hard to build up motivation to put myself and my family through this again and I know there are many in the 164 who feel this way. A bad decision on what to do with this list can cause this department to lose many of its best and brightest who should be moving up the ladder.

What an unfortunate situation this is.

I didn't take the test, but my question is where were these cheating allegations on the 2011 sergeant exam? It was the first promotional test where smart phones were not just prevalent but ubiquitous and the department nor DCAS were really concerned as they hadn't caught up with the times. Patrol guide apps just came out and on a test with 1663 passers, one can only wonder how many cheaters were allowed to pass that test, and I'm sure every other DCAS test from then until now. All of a sudden 9 guys with sour grapes get lawsuit happy alleging like this is the only time people got away with cheating? With so few passers, that argument is actually kind of moot.

ohnoes wrote:

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Anyone who observed bathroom cheating and didn't report it immediately is guilty of misconduct and should be given charges.

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