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NYPD probes possible cheating on lieutenants exam

 
Modal TriggerNYPD probes possible cheating on lieutenants exam

 

The NYPD is investigating a cheating scandal involving sergeants who took a make-up promotional exam for lieutenant and passed at a rate eight times higher than those who took the original test, The Post has learned.

Critics charge some sergeants gamed the system by taking the make-up exam four to six weeks after the same test was first given, a window that let candidates get the correct answers from the original test-takers.

The integrity of the hiring process was thrown into chaos last week when the NYPDs personnel arm, the Department of Citywide Administrative Services, published a civil-service list of 204 candidates who earned passing scores, each of whom is eligible to be called as a future lieutenant, a rank that has a starting salary of $102,091 a year.

The NYPD is probing to see if the testing process was corrupted.

The NYPD is aware of certain issues that have been raised concerning the 2015 lieutenant promotional make-up exam. We have been in contact with DCAS and are reviewing these issues, NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis told The Post.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/24/nypd-probes-possible-cheating-on-lieutenants-exam/



-- Edited by machine on Thursday 24th of March 2016 09:02:37 PM

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RE: NYPOST ARTICLE


It has begun.

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I hope the media is just getting started

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next we need an article probing dcas and why they accepted none of the changes submitted by tvb



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Good luck. That was a nonsense article. Need something bigger than that. i doubt they go any further with it.

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Until investigation is complete, makeups should be put on hold and hiring should start with original takers

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This has been going on for years, however, the passing rate this time around is quite alarming. There has to be a change. I suggest we contact other news media outlets as well. It should not stop here.

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Good job putting it on the post. Should send more to the other papers.

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Who is contacting attorney? Please IM me.

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pm "windeast"

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I don't think this will do anything about this exam. But it may lead to changes going forward. What we can be sure of is that this issue has made it to the desk of bratton. Does he care? No one here knows.

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Something has to change. We can go to multiple news sources. Even if it doesn't change the outcome of this test. Going forward, it can make a difference. Bottom line is we have to get this dirty little secret out. I have a contact at another newspaper. I will inquire with him.

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The NY Times just ran a great article on a cop from Transit getting screwed over because of the "Quota"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/magazine/a-black-police-officers-fight-against-the-nypd.html?action=click&contentCollection=magazine&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=5&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

 



-- Edited by Samiam32 on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 02:21:28 PM

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DCAS is the one to blame here. 



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http://www.nysun.com/new-york/suburban-officers-sue-city-cite-bias/50449/



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All those who took make up exam need to be screened by IAB one by one, they should not be promoted until they were proved to be legit.

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All those who took make up exam need to be screened by IAB one by one, they should not be promoted until they were proved to be legit.


IAB should stay away from this one let DOI deal with it, it's criminal especially if you paid for answers. 



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Problem is that some IAB members may be implicated themselves.  



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Anyone has full list of 36 out of 164 passed sunday takers list# and 40 make ups? Trying to update the lists.

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Were there people taking test that Sunday the 19th? Or did they take it together with lods and military few months later?

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Sent post link to drudgereport.Com

Millions view that news site.

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This Department will not change because it does not want the "dirty little secrets" to surface to the public. The only way it will change is from outside influence/force and not from within. INTEGRITY is just a meaningless word to many on this job and in this world.
To have a fair exam in the future is to have multiple versions of the exam giving to candidates with different test dates.

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WTF, Bretton changed things in 1996 when cheating reared  its ugly head. The dirty little secret was exposed and dealt with under hus tenure and he will do it again in the same manner. I hate to say it but this exam is going to be the exact repeat of the 1996 lieutenant's promotional exam.
As I recall Bratton was PC back then . He threw out that exam for excessive cheating. 20 years later the same thing is happening and most likely Bratton will throw this exam out as well.

For me it's a win-win scenario since I failed and this will be a second chance at passing.
At least I could think the cheaters for allow me to get a second chance.



-- Edited by OnTheeArm on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 08:05:52 PM

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Stop spreading false rumors ..there is no list to go on besides this one ..so the job will wait year and half for another test when commands need Lts?to fill..they will promote the guys who took the test in April who did it fair and square .

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If the Department and DCAS ends up "throwing out" this exam, there will also be multiple lawsuits filed by exam passers (regardless if the person cheated or not). It is almost impossible to Prove or Disprove a person cheated on an exam because this Department or any other City Government agency does not have the man power or resources to fully and properly investigate all of the "cheaters". And besides, no one in their right mind will implicate them self in any type of investigations. In a case like this, everyone will be presume "innocent" unless there are solid condemning evidences that have surfaced against them. And even then, they will find their way out of trouble by proclaiming that this exam "loophole" have always existed and that the "higher ups" in this Department (some of whom are the beneficiaries of this "loophole") have known about it all along. This entire exam taking scam is just a small piece of various big problems that have plagued this Department and many other Government agencies in this country for many years.
You know the old saying: "Good guys always finishes last"...How true it really is!!!

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To whom it may concern: curving the test with that ridiculous initial passing rate is what should have been done yesterday to at least make some of this mess right. 19 recommended changes from a faulty exam and zero changes accepted? Unreal.

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Rumor? Wow talk about the ostrich burying his head in the sand and forgetting the rest of the world. Do yourself a favor and ask any of the old dinosaur lieutenants still hanging around the station house about what transpired during the 1996 exam. You might not like what he says but it is what transpired. I truly apologize if you're one of the guys that passed htis exam but you have to sacrifice so all the others can actually have a fair chance of passing this test. Suck it up Francis.

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What all of you individuals fail to understand is that this has happened before and will happen again. Back in 96 the exam was thrown out thus alleviating any attempts of lawsuits. Here we are in 2016 and this test will be thrown out because it is the best recourse in order to stop any lawsuits. So if any of you think a lawsuit to stop the throwing out of this exam is going to work then you're in for a rude awakeningt. It worked in 1996 and will work in 2016. Bratton was at the helm in 1996 and he is at the helm in 2016. Guess what's going to happen?

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W_T_F_ wrote:

It is almost impossible to Prove or Disprove a person cheated on an exam because this Department or any other City Government agency does not have the man power or resources to fully and properly investigate all of the "cheaters". And besides, no one in their right mind will implicate them self in any type of investigations. In a case like this, everyone will be presume "innocent" unless there are solid condemning evidences that have surfaced against them.


1st of all, it doesnt take many work hours or effort to expose this.  Without getting too specific, some of them were both brazen and sloppy.  Furthermore, no one has to confess.  Many already did.  Many will be incriminated by their own texts and electonic records.  Those alone will give up well over half of them.  When they sit down for the GO, the people asking the questions will already know the answers.   When one cheater gets caught dead to rights, they'll grab every ankle they can on their way down.  The dominos will fall from there.  It always goes doen this way.  It's likea a script.  If I were one of these people, I'd be pretty nervous right now.

I see no need to throw out the test.  This wasn't a matter of people passing cliff notes around the classroom or sharing answers in the bathroom.  The scandal is isolated and contained to the make up dates.  It is clear a huge percentage knew what was going to be on the test before they sat for it.  The offenders will be and held up for promotion until the investigation concludes and the legit passers will be promoted.



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What all of you individuals fail to understand is that this has happened before and will happen again. Back in 96 the exam was thrown out thus alleviating any attempts of lawsuits. Here we are in 2016 and this test will be thrown out because it is the best recourse in order to stop any lawsuits. So if any of you think a lawsuit to stop the throwing out of this exam is going to work then you're in for a rude awakeningt. It worked in 1996 and will work in 2016. Bratton was at the helm in 1996 and he is at the helm in 2016. Guess what's going to happen?


 OnTheeArm, you're absolutely right. 

Instead of going to media about a flawed exam with 0 changes and a sadistic test creator. Many on this forum banded together and went for the low hanging fruit anti cop media agenda by going after potential scammers which by the way is a losing battle. Instead of helping out guys on the cusp who needed the points they gave the media a sexy anti cop story to run with and potentially put even the guys who passed straight up in jeopardy of a tossed exam which did happened in 96. 



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Cathetel wrote:
tossed exam which did happened in 96. 

Can anyone prove this? I did a simple Google search and this is what I found.

https://m.facebook.com/NYPDtheKey/posts/244295339070360

 

Seems like more trolling BS.



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They just updated the article with more information.

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Wonder, it was update 6 hours ago.... That picture of Steve is really fitting to your post lol

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Too many of you are in denial. All it takes is for you to ask an old timer lieutenant about the 1996 lieutenants exam and he will tell you the abomination that it was and how it was thrown out for the exposed cheating. What you need to do is also go to thee rant and find out for yourself the old timers there are talking about the exam as well. Most of you believe that this exam will not be thrown out but there is presidence as to an exam being thrown out and that is the 1996 version of the exam. This is not rumor or speculation this is fact but you guys refuse to ask around your commands he'll ask a captain or a DI if this is b******* or not. To me if you are in denial.

When it comes to matters like this there are no half measures . either you get rid of the exam and give a makeup exam or you fall into the lawsuits that are going to follow if you start letting half the people pass and have two people not. keep in mind that Bratton actually got rid of the exam the last time and this time around he's still the PC which means there is 100% certainty that he's getting rid of this exam as well.



-- Edited by OnTheeArm on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 11:27:10 PM

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OnTheeArm wrote:

Rumor? Wow talk about the ostrich burying his head in the sand and forgetting the rest of the world. Do yourself a favor and ask any of the old dinosaur lieutenants still hanging around the station house about what transpired during the 1996 exam. You might not like what he says but it is what transpired. I truly apologize if you're one of the guys that passed htis exam but you have to sacrifice so all the others can actually have a fair chance of passing this test. Suck it up Francis.


 what the hell are you talking about? this test is not getting thrown out and the real passers don't have to sacrifice sh!t for you.....tossing out the test b/c you failed? no basis for throwing it out. The test was announced, then given, then graded. this whole thing is about fixing the test day loophole, and some (not all) military scammers. I THINK TOO MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE SELLING YOURSELVES INTO THIS CHEATING THING NOW.



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nypost.com/2016/02/24/nypd-probes-possible-cheating-on-lieutenants-exam/

They didn't update the time but the article is now twice as long....and the LBA is quoted.

It's gaining steam......

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Interesting argument but null and void especially when the same argument was brought up during the 1996 lieutenants exam and guess what happened? Yes the exam was still thrown out.
Many of us fail this test and it's only fair that it should be given again after all this cheating nonsense. Time for you guys who passed to buckle up and enjoy the ride. If you're smart enough you will pass it again no harm no foul. It is only fair that 130 be inconvenienced instead of 4000.

Funny how you think this time around nothing is going to be done about the cheating and yet back in 1996 under the same PC and entire exam was thrown out. Who's delusional now?

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Has anyone seen today's article in the actual paper? ITS ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 8!!!
It doesn't go anywhere fast. :(

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Funny I asked a crusty lieutenant if there was any news coverage about the cheating in 1996 and he said not at all. But then again who you are comparing the fact that there is an article about the events of cheating but its on page 8. in your mind it this page 8 staement dilutes the actual potency of the current investigation. How nonsensical of you.

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Interesting argument but null and void especially when the same argument was brought up during the 1996 lieutenants exam and guess what happened? Yes the exam was still thrown out.
Many of us fail this test and it's only fair that it should be given again after all this cheating nonsense. Time for you guys who passed to buckle up and enjoy the ride. If you're smart enough you will pass it again no harm no foul. It is only fair that 130 be inconvenienced instead of 4000.

Funny how you think this time around nothing is going to be done about the cheating and yet back in 1996 under the same PC and entire exam was thrown out. Who's delusional now?


 YOUR A TROLL.. YOU FAILED THE FIRST TIME AND YOU WILL FAIL AGAIN. THEY ARE ALREADY GIVING A NEW TEST BY NEXT YEAR DUMMY. ITS ONLY FAIR THAT I GET INCONVIENCED FOR PASSING? LOL YOU ARE A FAILURE AT LIFE.

DELETE THIS TROLL PLEASE 



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Interesting argument but null and void especially when the same argument was brought up during the 1996 lieutenants exam and guess what happened? Yes the exam was still thrown out.
Many of us fail this test and it's only fair that it should be given again after all this cheating nonsense. Time for you guys who passed to buckle up and enjoy the ride. If you're smart enough you will pass it again no harm no foul. It is only fair that 130 be inconvenienced instead of 4000.

Funny how you think this time around nothing is going to be done about the cheating and yet back in 1996 under the same PC and entire exam was thrown out. Who's delusional now?


 YOUR A TROLL.. YOU FAILED THE FIRST TIME AND YOU WILL FAIL AGAIN. THEY ARE ALREADY GIVING A NEW TEST BY NEXT YEAR DUMMY. ITS ONLY FAIR THAT I GET INCONVIENCED FOR PASSING? LOL YOU ARE A FAILURE AT LIFE.

DELETE THIS TROLL PLEASE 


 Relax dont get all riled up, in all likelihood this is one of the cheaters stirring the pot. As far as the cheaters are concern this group is the last of the Mohicans.  There are enough eyes on this that change is imminent and in addition we know who they are...I can just imagine the first BMOC, the looks on the faces, I want a play by play of these misfits there be like 5 legit guy/girls.



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So now I'm a troll because I'm stating fact. You are a sensitive individual who is afraid of the truth. Hell I am only giving the same information others have posted. You might as well ban everyone that hurts your feelings. Being that you are living your life eyes wide shut you might as well just go to bed thinking that you're the number one guy in the world. The fact of the matter still remains that this exam is tainted. It was tainted back in 1996 and we all know why it was done away with. Here we are 2016 and the same thing is plaguing this exam. What do you think is going to happen? Do you really think that they going to inconvenience 4,000 people instead of 130? Come on stop being delusional. The writing's on the wall and all the guys who just failed this exam are actually breathing a sigh of relief that they will have 2nd chance to do it over again. Why inconveniences all of us just because they want to make 130 of you guys lts. If they do not give a makeup test I will petition for a lawsuit because a makeup test was given in 1996. Fair is fair so do the same thing thy did in 1996 so we all can have a fair chance.

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Interesting argument but null and void especially when the same argument was brought up during the 1996 lieutenants exam and guess what happened? Yes the exam was still thrown out.
Many of us fail this test and it's only fair that it should be given again after all this cheating nonsense. Time for you guys who passed to buckle up and enjoy the ride. If you're smart enough you will pass it again no harm no foul. It is only fair that 130 be inconvenienced instead of 4000.

Funny how you think this time around nothing is going to be done about the cheating and yet back in 1996 under the same PC and entire exam was thrown out. Who's delusional now?


You are the one who brought this up, the burden of proof is on YOU.  Coming on here and saying "ask your dinosaur lieutenant or you're in denial" is BS. YOU prove this is true.  I gave 2 links of info that is contradictory to what you posted.  Acknowledge my info, or acknowledge your troll ways.

This first link is from the Key and in the article it talks about fairness of the 1996 exam but mentions nothing about an exam being thrown out.

https://m.facebook.com/NYPDtheKey/posts/244295339070360

 

The second link is to Thee Rant's thread about this article, in which one of the guys states that he took the 1996 Exam, studied hard, and that it was a fair test. He mentions nothing of a thrown out list.

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/81992/NYPD-probes-possible-cheating-on-lieutenants-exam

 

So again, back up what you are saying with actual facts or GTFO.



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He is a troll..comparing 1996 to 2016 lol ..let him be....answering him makes him happy ..good luck with that lawsuit loser



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YOU MUST BE A ROOKIE, JOBS JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT THEN 20 YEARS AGO.
HOW DID YOU PASS THE SGT EXAM?... WAS IT MILITARY OR WEEKDAY?
IM AMAZED YOU THINK THIS TEST WILL BE THROWN OUT BC YOU FAILED.
1996 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TEST.
YOU ARE CONFUSED WITH THE REASONING. THE TEST WAS EXTREMELY HARD BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IT WAS VALID....EVERYTHING AFTER THE TEST WAS THE PROBLEM. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT LITTLE MAN.
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Using your very own link as evidence against you i want you to scroll to the end of page two on that forum and read to me what the guy called GeorgeCurious posted.

It seems this retired fellow basically destroys your argument. Maybe next time you should review your entire piece of evidence so as not to look retarded but then again you will call this neutral person a troll.

You are a sad individual.

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ONCE AGAIN 1996 IS 20 YEARS AGO AND NOT THE SAME SCENARIO AS THIS TEST. CAPT VUJINOF WAS NOT EVEN A RECRUIT YET LOL. YOU ARE BELIEVING YOUR OWN LIES. THIS ISNT A MURDER CASE.
MY VERY OWN LINK AGAINST ME?...YOU ARE A VIRGIN TROLL.
STOP SPREADING FALSE HOPE AND START STUDYING, START WITH 212 ,(ITS THE MEAT AND POTATOS)


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Using your very own link as evidence against you i want you to scroll to the end of page two on that forum and read to me what the guy called GeorgeCurious posted.

It seems this retired fellow basically destroys your argument. Maybe next time you should review your entire piece of evidence so as not to look retarded but then again you will call this neutral person a troll.

You are a sad individual.


OK, well apparently this post was after I linked the thread earlier today.  There is a lot of conflicting info in that thread now, to be fair.

Either way, you're still trolling.



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