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sgt2be · Guru

RE: The list

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Sarge wrote:
sgt2be can you cite examples of when the DCAS went against the tvb recommendations? Also guys, we all took this test there are glaring examples of improper questions. Zero throw outs would be impossible for anyone with half a brain. Everyone knows the buzz is this was a flawed test. With the tests involving zero changes there was no controversy, no mass protests, and most importantly, no TVB submitting 19 changes....

I agree, the 2011 Sergeant Exam only had one or two changes because it didn't look like it was written by a retarded robot. I keep hearing "zero changes" and "minimal changes" from a lot of different places, but it still seems hard to imagine. Of the four I protested I'll admit I was reaching a bit on two, but the other two were hands down, 100% wrong. Also I didn't protest 106 and that has to be a throwout.

DETSGT · Guru

There definetly were flawed questions. Anyone who went to the protest and protested can see that.

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

I hope the list comes out with like 15 changes so I can point and laugh at all the negative Nancy's in here.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

It took me 4 months to get it but: no one knows sh*t.

There are people on this forum who DEF KNOW PEOPLE. I've been able to get the latest "info" from them via messages and I appreciate them passing along what they heard. But today after hearing it may be 5 changes and 20 min later being told by the same guy that it may look like 0-1 change...just shows how although people are trying to get intel, were always getting bunk.

I NEVER doubt the intentions of the people looking to pass along what they heard. I know they're trying to be good sports in helping people get the latest rumors...but no really knows.

If it's 0-1 change...lets get the mercy killings over with. The people who passed, I tip my cap to you. For the people who failed like me...just put 2 in our head already. Enough is enough

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Monday 1st of February 2016 08:46:43 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

As I said, u won't get a thing until at least 2/17. Dcas does not have to comply w that request either. They can say they need more time. At the end of the day we know 208 people right this minute passed. What the outcome will be is anyone's guess. Who knows at this point. I don't know anyone in tvb but have heard 19 changes were submitted and am guessing 7-10 changes. Will that hold? Maybe not. Will it be 200 person list? Maybe. Look for an exam fall of 2017 if that's case. Get away from this site until close to the 17th. No one has anything I ve asked everyone in the palace in the know.

sgt2be · Guru

ppl know the list....just not at 1pp

TurdBurglar · Senior Member

ondeeair2321 wrote:
As I said, u won't get a thing until at least 2/17. Dcas does not have to comply w that request either. They can say they need more time. At the end of the day we know 208 people right this minute passed. What the outcome will be is anyone's guess. Who knows at this point. I don't know anyone in tvb but have heard 19 changes were submitted and am guessing 7-10 changes. Will that hold? Maybe not. Will it be 200 person list? Maybe. Look for an exam fall of 2017 if that's case. Get away from this site until close to the 17th. No one has anything I ve asked everyone in the palace in the know.

No.. 128 people passed..80 people just got the answers

wisecop · Senior Member

Su Madre 24 wrote:
It took me 4 months to get it but: no one knows sh*t.

There are people on this forum who DEF KNOW PEOPLE. I've been able to get the latest "info" from them via messages and I appreciate them passing along what they heard. But today after hearing it may be 5 changes and 20 min later being told by the same guy that it may look like 0-1 change...just shows how although people are trying to get intel, were always getting bunk.

I NEVER doubt the intentions of the people looking to pass along what they heard. I know they're trying to be good sports in helping people get the latest rumors...but no really knows.

If it's 0-1 change...lets get the mercy killings over with. The people who passed, I tip my cap to you. For the people who failed like me...just put 2 in our head already. Enough is enough

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Monday 1st of February 2016 08:46:43 PM

So you heard the rumore about #1 being the only change....

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Check your messages

Lu515 · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
ppl know the list....just not at 1pp

Who then???

Team J · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
sgt2be can you cite examples of when the DCAS went against the tvb recommendations? Also guys, we all took this test there are glaring examples of improper questions. Zero throw outs would be impossible for anyone with half a brain. Everyone knows the buzz is this was a flawed test. With the tests involving zero changes there was no controversy, no mass protests, and most importantly, no TVB submitting 19 changes....

No one knows anything concrete. There may be a small circle of people sworn to secrecy other then that no one knows. I've spoken to someone that sat on a previous board and I asked him how whats the process. I was told the board must consist of two mos from dept and a dcas rep. Dcas rep pretty much says see ya call me if you need me. every single protest must be answered out either rejecting it or approving it. It's pretty much up to the dept guys what changes if any are submitted. I know things can change and it very well may have with this test but he told me that dcas goes along with what the board recommends for the most part. We can go back and forth all day but I feel what good is having a board if dcas is going to reject all its recommemdations. You mightiest well just scrap the board and have dcas handle everything if that's the case. I understand all other points being made here . At end of the day we just have wait and see which way it goes.

sgt2be · Guru

Team J wrote:
Sarge wrote:
sgt2be can you cite examples of when the DCAS went against the tvb recommendations? Also guys, we all took this test there are glaring examples of improper questions. Zero throw outs would be impossible for anyone with half a brain. Everyone knows the buzz is this was a flawed test. With the tests involving zero changes there was no controversy, no mass protests, and most importantly, no TVB submitting 19 changes....
No one knows anything concrete. There may be a small circle of people sworn to secrecy other then that no one knows. I've spoken to someone that sat on a previous board and I asked him how whats the process. I was told the board must consist of two mos from dept and a dcas rep. Dcas rep pretty much says see ya call me if you need me. every single protest must be answered out either rejecting it or approving it. It's pretty much up to the dept guys what changes if any are submitted. I know things can change and it very well may have with this test but he told me that dcas goes along with what the board recommends for the most part. We can go back and forth all day but I feel what good is having a board if dcas is going to reject all its recommemdations. You mightiest well just scrap the board and have dcas handle everything if that's the case. I understand all other points being made here . At end of the day we just have wait and see which way it goes.

Amen....i will not answer any more messages about rumors...

DETSGT · Guru

We've been at this since shortly before the test. Almost 10 months. Smh. Que DRPapi "the end is almost here, good luck to all "

que1999 · Senior Member

I just wanted to say, good luck to all.

Cathetel · Senior Member

Team J wrote:
Sarge wrote:
sgt2be can you cite examples of when the DCAS went against the tvb recommendations? Also guys, we all took this test there are glaring examples of improper questions. Zero throw outs would be impossible for anyone with half a brain. Everyone knows the buzz is this was a flawed test. With the tests involving zero changes there was no controversy, no mass protests, and most importantly, no TVB submitting 19 changes....
No one knows anything concrete. There may be a small circle of people sworn to secrecy other then that no one knows. I've spoken to someone that sat on a previous board and I asked him how whats the process. I was told the board must consist of two mos from dept and a dcas rep. Dcas rep pretty much says see ya call me if you need me. every single protest must be answered out either rejecting it or approving it. It's pretty much up to the dept guys what changes if any are submitted. I know things can change and it very well may have with this test but he told me that dcas goes along with what the board recommends for the most part. We can go back and forth all day but I feel what good is having a board if dcas is going to reject all its recommemdations. You mightiest well just scrap the board and have dcas handle everything if that's the case. I understand all other points being made here . At end of the day we just have wait and see which way it goes.

This actually makes a lot of sense. On a human level a DCAS rep is a civillian and would most likely respect the expertise and knowledge of two NYPD representatives. I know, I know anything can happen!!!! Just my take on it.

-- Edited by Cathetel on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 02:07:54 AM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

if it is indeed 19 changes submitted, which I don't have confirmation on that info like I do with numbers of list. then I would say at LEAST 7-9-- possibly more changes. that's my take on it. the exam was poorly written and some things so subjectively asked it leaves them open to protest. 106 and 1 are tosses--and I got both right of course. not trying to will anything. if its not 7-9 its not 7-9. but we don't know how this carnival is gonna end at ALL. don't be surprised by a list of 400-500 or a list of 200 something. so lets take a break and when its closer to 17th I might have something more about this release----till then we have absolutely nothing.

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

TVB submitted 19 changes. TVB said 10-12 of them might stick( what one of the TVB Lt's told me at the time they submitted the changes).

-- Edited by EDPs R Fun on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 12:38:01 PM

Bklyn net · Senior Member

That's why I think some changes might happen and also if its only 208 why wait 10 months to release the list ..but I don't get why ppl who failed didn't go down to claim there vet points that's why I think no changes

sgt2be · Guru

EDPs R Fun wrote:
TVB submitted 19 changes. TVB said 10-12 of them might stick( what one of the TVB Lt's told me at the time they submitted the changes).

-- Edited by EDPs R Fun on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 12:38:01 PM

You are correct on this edp...11 to be exact....

Transitblows · Senior Member

Are we fortunate enough to the numbers? Im sure you have been asked a million times already.

-- Edited by Transitblows on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 12:57:50 PM

sgt2be · Guru

I do not know the numbers....wish I could tell you. But like edp said...11 were "strong" arguements. Normally I'd say that's a good indication to go on. But this captain strides on these tests like 2010 captain. Many ppl complained about that test. I believe it made the ny post...go read the article about the trickery of the test...it'll prob bring back memories from April 2015. Wish I could help more

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 01:09:24 PM

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 01:14:42 PM

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

nypost.com/2010/06/01/nypds-capt-test-is-a-bust/

Flambino · Senior Member

scheduleB_magnet wrote:
nypost.com/2010/06/01/nypds-capt-test-is-a-bust/

Great article.... WE'RE SCREWED!!

Transitblows · Senior Member

Ha wasn't the irregardless trick used on ours as well

Transitblows · Senior Member

Makes you just want to nut punch him when the guy retires

Cathetel · Senior Member

15 percent passed that exam! Less than 5 percent passed this one, lol.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Flambino wrote:
scheduleB_magnet wrote:
nypost.com/2010/06/01/nypds-capt-test-is-a-bust/

Great article.... WE'RE SCREWED!!

Ageed

sgt2be · Guru

Happened before..2007 sgt exam has 330 passers...I'm guessing around 7000 sat for the exam. That's a rough estimate based on 2011 numbers of test takers...that 4.7 percent after throwouts!

Flambino · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
Happened before..2007 sgt exam has 330 passers...I'm guessing around 7000 sat for the exam. That's a rough estimate based on 2011 numbers of test takers...that 4.7 percent after throwouts!

WE'RE SCREWED!! At least I can say I'm a member of the 'ELITE 330' - 2007 Hero...2015 Zero.

sgt2be · Guru

Just wait till the list comes out...it's not meant to spell doom...just alot of ppl state well never have a 5 percent pass rate or have 0 throwouts...they have happened before. So has 19 throwouts for one exam. Only problem I see...weeks before release..the talk of 17 and 19 were alot..for this test it's just the opposite. Only way to be sure is to see the list

Devil Dog · Senior Member

So the same Capt wrote the 2010 Capts exam??

DOA · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
Happened before..2007 sgt exam has 330 passers...I'm guessing around 7000 sat for the exam. That's a rough estimate based on 2011 numbers of test takers...that 4.7 percent after throwouts!

That might not be a fair comparison. 2006 had the 70 rule from the start but the 4 yr stretch came down about a month or so before the exam date. Believe it or not, a lot of people immediately abandoned studying when it did. Of course, many were already so invested in the game they kept going.

2007 was a different story. It was the first Sgt's exam with the stretch in full-effect during the registration period. It absolutely destroyed motivation for anyone with time on to study. I have no idea what the registration numbers were but I am certain they were low. It was the combo of the 70 rule and the 4-yr stretch that led to small lists and annual exams. It had nothing to do with the tests' relative difficulty, throwouts or lack thereof.

The numbers recovered in time as the stretch became all most people taking the test ever knew.

-- Edited by DOA on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 04:24:33 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

You can't compare this exam to any other in recent history. This latest exam has he LOWEST pass rate in recent history. 2601 takers and 128 passed. FACT. So u can't compare even the last debacle to this. Or any other exam. This pass rate surpassed all those in degree of passers so compare all u want. The release of this list and changes won't be effected by guesstimating. This is in a league of its own. All I know is dcas and the job crapped last time when 241 out of 1676 passed. And guess what---661 out of 1776 wound up passing that exam. FACT. So dispel any rumors,opinions, or guesses. We ll see hopefully soon. I would bank on changes

Devil Dog · Senior Member

ondeeair2321 wrote:
You can't compare this exam to any other in recent history. This latest exam has he LOWEST pass rate in recent history. 2601 takers and 128 passed. FACT. So u can't compare even the last debacle to this. Or any other exam. This pass rate surpassed all those in degree of passers so compare all u want. The release of this list and changes won't be effected by guesstimating. This is in a league of its own. All I know is dcas and the job crapped last time when 241 out of 1676 passed. And guess what---661 out of 1776 wound up passing that exam. FACT. So dispel any rumors,opinions, or guesses. We ll see hopefully soon. I would bank on changes

Didn't you say the list is coming out on the 17th?

DOA · Senior Member

It's not just about rumors. It's logical to use past exams as a comparison. Whereas past exams were short it may have nothing to do with difficulty. It may be because it was held right after 9/11, or the subsequent OT bubble following, or the 70 rule, or the 4yr stretch. There are numerous potential factors. It is equally dangerous to conclude this exam will have a lot of changes just because 2011 did. Trying to handicap it is a fool's game. We may as well be trying to read tea leaves or communicate with the dead.

tinydeer · Member

I close my eyes only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity

Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind

Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind

Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind (all we are is dust in the wind)
Dust in the wind (everything is dust in the wind), everything is dust in the wind (the wind)

ondeeair2321 · Guru

yes the request is for 17th. who knows what it will be---maybe tiny, maybe not. no one has any info whatsoever

DRPapi1983 · Guru

ondeeair2321 wrote:
yes the request is for 17th. who knows what it will be---maybe tiny, maybe not. no one has any info whatsoever

The end is near my friends,..good luck to all

Chew11 · Senior Member

Frigging Doctor papi

Sarge · Senior Member

how long did it take them to release the 2010 captain list?

Sarge · Senior Member

just looked at the archives, appears even though only 68 passed, it ended up being 125 with changes.... which almost doubles their original number

-- Edited by Sarge on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 08:11:21 PM

sgt2be · Guru

4/24/10 was test...list out 10/14/10

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 08:16:42 PM

sixmonthwonder · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
4/24/10 was test...list out 10/14/15

You mean 10/14/10?

sgt2be · Guru

im sorry yes

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Wonder what the huge delay is here. Hopefully it comes out this month.

Cathetel · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
just looked at the archives, appears even though only 68 passed, it ended up being 125 with changes.... which almost doubles their original number

-- Edited by Sarge on Tuesday 2nd of February 2016 08:11:21 PM

So basically 8% to 15% passing rate. Our exam is less than 5% passing with average score in the low 50s. Unprecedented. We will see. "End is near, good luck to all"

sgt2be · Guru

sixmonthwonder wrote:
Wonder what the huge delay is here. Hopefully it comes out this month.

i think we are all wondering that....well never know. 1- Carefully denying many appeals and documenting such for any possible action.....2-granting many appeals to create a bigger list.....3- the list was really lost and they are creating a new one by picking out of a hat...only 3 that come to mind

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

Also maybe the new commissioner at DCAS could have something to do with this. You know the make a name for yourself persona type of deal

Sarge · Senior Member

Or #4, the diversity conundrum, carefully picking which questions get changed to maximize a diverse list...