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Sarge · Senior Member

RE: The list

Bklyn net · Senior Member

how many were submitted for that captain test with 0 changes

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Let's go devil dog, don't leave there without some answers!

sgt2be · Guru

Bklyn net wrote:
how many were submitted for that captain test with 0 changes

never posted....had to go to examx forum to get any kind of info and its scarce.....if we see 5 changes...prob 2 htrowouts 3 triple/dbl...I say youre still looking at a list in low 300's

ondeeair2321 · Guru

Nothing will come of devil dog s vet verification meeting w dcas. NOTHING. He passed the exam and that's that. These are the lowest of dcas minions folks---they know nothing. NOTHING. The request is in for 2/17. That is a fact. Believe it, don't believe it, criticize it, whatever. Doesn't matter at this point to me what half of u believe. That's when request is in and hopefully will be delivered. Yes. The rumors. 276--staying 208----350----400s----on and on. They be changed and changed. No one knows. The school guys are saying small list with LT exam next year----that d work out great for them. After all---this is how they make $, by you taking the class---again. In the end-----no one knows with this exam. Strange but true. 19 changes were indeed submitted and what will stick is anyone's guess. But it was flawed. And the job wants a list. We ll see soon.

machine · Senior Member

Yeah sorry Skiguy as Ondeeair states, Devil's questions will be as effective as any of us picking up the phone and calling DCAS ourselves, no new knowledge will come out of it.

Also, if by now we don't know anything, Ondeeair assessment is the most we'll get for the remainder of the day.

-- Edited by machine on Monday 1st of February 2016 02:47:39 PM

DETSGT · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
Bklyn net wrote:
how many were submitted for that captain test with 0 changes
never posted....had to go to examx forum to get any kind of info and its scarce.....if we see 5 changes...prob 2 htrowouts 3 triple/dbl...I say youre still looking at a list in low 300's

Dude you are the research guru when it comes to old exam threads

machine · Senior Member

Hah

sgt2be · Guru

haha I have no life on Saturdays and I just looked at them to see if any insight can be gained....at the least...its quite comical because the comments are EXACTLY the same frustration we are going through. Sometimes you gain some good insight, but like anything dcas is never consistent

Bklyn net · Senior Member

When is he going to DCAS anyway

DETSGT · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
haha I have no life on Saturdays and I just looked at them to see if any insight can be gained....at the least...its quite comical because the comments are EXACTLY the same frustration we are going through. Sometimes you gain some good insight, but like anything dcas is never consistent

We appreciate it. It does give us a little bit of historical perspective

sgt2be · Guru

Someone made a comment that dcas usually goes along w the tvb....THIS IS FURTHEST FROM THE TRUTH. in reality...it should read..some tvb get exactly what they want..some get few. I can't say it anymore...with dcas we just don't know. There are very specific reasons why I have said low changes..like anything I'm just a human and I've been wrong before

ondeeair2321 · Guru

Sgt2be is right---it could be low changes it could be high. No one knows the reasoning. One thing that is apparent is that their in no rush to get the exam to us----NONE. The person I talked to is involved in this and said exactly that. That is also how I know 2/17 request date. Bottom line is dcas could care less about getting this exam out----really guys. The only thing working for us is the city cares about leaving themselves open to lawsuits and this exam w out changes does that. If u think lawsuits don't get people on lists think again happened quite a few times folks. Wake up this is NYC nothing is on level.

DETSGT · Guru

Dude dcas doesn't care about lawsuits or throwouts. Their not gonna be intimated by emails or threats of lawsuits. They will release the list when they want with the amount of throwouts they want. When the list is released those that passed will be happy no matter their list number. Those that failed will be intially upset but will get over it and begin anticipating the next exam. Children will be born, lieutenants will be promoted, life will go on.

Slate · Senior Member

Ondeeair can you enlighten us if the list was requested ON 2/17 or BY 2/17, makes a big diffrence

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

First rule of rising star: Don't ever agree with Ondeeair or say he's right.

Slate · Senior Member

nobody agreed or say he was right, just requested to elaborate on his comment

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

machine wrote:
Yeah sorry Skiguy as Ondeeair states, Devil's questions will be as effective as any of us picking up the phone and calling DCAS ourselves, no new knowledge will come out of it.

Also, if by now we don't know anything, Ondeeair assessment is the most we'll get for the remainder of the day.

-- Edited by machine on Monday 1st of February 2016 02:47:39 PM

Machine agrees with him. No bueno.

Slate · Senior Member

:) he has been off for some time now, but he did name the authors of this masterpiece of an exam before we even took the test, he has some insights just not lately

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

LOL hahaha. I think we are all losing our minds.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

the exam is a scale now no one knows how this thing will tip. and thats the truth. lets hope for best expect the worst

wisecop · Senior Member

Anyways, I spoke to someone who contrary to what's posted on this forum informed me capt V was hand picked to write test. This stems from the accolades he earned after writing the 2010 captains exam. Capt V was very proud to have 0 throwouts prompting the city to curve the test. This person, who btw was involved in that tvb is the 3rd person who told me he expects no throwouts.

wisecop · Senior Member

This delay might be the process of curving which involves the brass at the highest level and therefore leaving everyone else in the dark.

Cathetel · Senior Member

wisecop wrote:
This delay might be the process of curving which involves the brass at the highest level and therefore leaving everyone else in the dark.

How was the 2010 captain's test curved? Also, I've never heard Captain Pony tail create any other test? Are you sure?? Can anyone confirm?

Flambino · Senior Member

I remember Mifsud saying he wrote a Captains Test with zero throwouts. He then said at the review that the he wrote a test with the guy in charge of our test. Not that my opinion means anything but I definitely think WISECOP is on the money with his intel.

sgt2be · Guru

Yes he wrote another exam...I know the ppl who picked him...they stated they had to have someone who had written a previous test and all others they had used before retired...got promoted...or are in gigs that they did not want to leave

wisecop · Senior Member

At this point the lack of information seems negligent. There's no checks and balances on DCAS

Flambino · Senior Member

Maybe they can't put out the list until someone at DCAS completes the exam...they are still doing the math question from the in-basket.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

That might explain why ppl who failed didn't get the Vet letters ..who knows

wisecop · Senior Member

Flambino wrote:
Maybe they can't put out the list until someone at DCAS completes the exam...they are still doing the math question from the in-basket.

Lol smh Thats 45 minutes of my life i will never get back

Flambino · Senior Member

I wound up making an "educated" guess on that one about 20 minutes in and somehow got it right.

wisecop · Senior Member

Bklyn net wrote:
That might explain why ppl who failed didn't get the Vet letters ..who knows

Its all speculation, the point is that historically this ******* thrives on writing airtight test. If there are throwouts 1-5 might be the number.

-- Edited by wisecop on Monday 1st of February 2016 06:21:42 PM

-- Edited by wisecop on Monday 1st of February 2016 06:22:04 PM

Transitblows · Senior Member

Do they expect no throwouts because of this guys history or is it some fact to it. I dont see a curve happening. Not that i know anything at all but doesnt seem like a move they would pull these days

bigfoot45 · Guru

I spoke to the Devil dog. He'll probably post later but he was a little busy. He wasn't able to find out much except that he is the only one that was called down to claim Vet points. This is leading me to think that there is one or zero changes. They wanted him to come in person and not deal with snail mail.

Slate · Senior Member

Transitblows wrote:
Do they expect no throwouts because of this guys history or is it some fact to it. I dont see a curve happening. Not that i know anything at all but doesnt seem like a move they would pull these days

I think by curve he meant, throwouts/trips/doubles since there are possible 0 changes. not the same curve you used to see in high school

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

#throwoutsmatter

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

bigfoot45 wrote:
I spoke to the Devil dog. He'll probably post later but he was a little busy. He wasn't able to find out much except that he is the only one that was called down to claim Vet points. This is leading me to think that there is one or zero changes. They wanted him to come in person and not deal with snail mail.

Did he originally failed?

emt54 · Veteran Member

bigfoot45 wrote:
I spoke to the Devil dog. He'll probably post later but he was a little busy. He wasn't able to find out much except that he is the only one that was called down to claim Vet points. This is leading me to think that there is one or zero changes. They wanted him to come in person and not deal with snail mail.

Ughh...no good

Bklyn net · Senior Member

yeh not good at all..it's feb 1st already somebody who failed should of got something ..I better go start studying again

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

If the list is 276 or whatever the last rumor was then there was 1 change at most.....

Cathetel · Senior Member

How was 2010 captains test curved??

sgt2be · Guru

1 question will make the list low 200s
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emt54 · Veteran Member

If its a 200 person list, they need to announce a test like today.

sgt2be · Guru

not true...a 200 person list will last a year or even alittle more so it would have to come soon..not necessarily right today

Jabronijoe29 · Veteran Member

Yes i also spoke with devil dog and said he was the only one there and they wanted him down like a week ago... And yes he passed orginally just was late in submitting for vets points. He legit might be the only person they were waiting on lol

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Cathetel wrote:
How was 2010 captains test curved??

I would like to know this as well.

emt54 · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
not true...a 200 person list will last a year or even alittle more so it would have to come soon..not necessarily right today

You're probably right, but what do you think is the quickest possible timeframe for a test to be announced, drawn up , graded and released? Including the TVB etc..

sgt2be · Guru

if you see a 200 or so person list youll see an exam announced very very soon. Captain promotions are slowing....so yes a 35 person class will go in for lt first..but it will not be the norm...youll prob see 15 person classes again bc captains are so overfilled

sixmonthwonder · Guru

emt54 wrote:
sgt2be wrote:
not true...a 200 person list will last a year or even alittle more so it would have to come soon..not necessarily right today
You're probably right, but what do you think is the quickest possible timeframe for a test to be announced, drawn up , graded and released? Including the TVB etc..

Yeah, if they're going to drag their feet with getting the list out like they did this time they wouldn't have an actual list until 2018 even if they announced the test in the next few months.

Sarge · Senior Member

sgt2be can you cite examples of when the DCAS went against the tvb recommendations? Also guys, we all took this test there are glaring examples of improper questions. Zero throw outs would be impossible for anyone with half a brain. Everyone knows the buzz is this was a flawed test. With the tests involving zero changes there was no controversy, no mass protests, and most importantly, no TVB submitting 19 changes....