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DETSGT · Guru

RE: The list

DoctorLexx · Veteran Member

Dude, I seriously want to dress up in a Batman Suit, find DCAS people and hurt them. Badly. One by one. Break their legs. Then break their kneecaps. Then elbows. Then cut off every DCAS male employee's fingers, put them in the cells, make them watch porn 24/7 and watch them suffer from inability to jerk off!!!!

gige · Member

Last I heard list is at personnel office in alphabetical order. Needs to be put in order to get get it print out by score. Won't be out until at least next week Sunday. Let's see.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

gige wrote:
Last I heard list is at personnel office in alphabetical order. Needs to be put in order to get get it print out by score. Won't be out until at least next week Sunday. Let's see.

So it takes over a week to type the list in order? Must be 2,400 names!

Also this is BS because they released 09 Sgt Exam alphabetically, I specifically remember this.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Thursday 28th of January 2016 12:40:56 AM

Slate · Senior Member

Doesn't dcas do all that?

sgt2be · Guru

if its in personal....someone else will be able to confirm

Lu515 · Senior Member

gige wrote:
Last I heard list is at personnel office in alphabetical order. Needs to be put in order to get get it print out by score. Won't be out until at least next week Sunday. Let's see.

Sounds like BS

Windeast · Senior Member

Not only are they putting it in alphabetical order, but my length of names.... Shortest to longest.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

gige wrote:
Last I heard list is at personnel office in alphabetical order. Needs to be put in order to get get it print out by score. Won't be out until at least next week Sunday. Let's see.

This makes absolutely no sense, I believe most list are given to the job in alphabetical order and they always manage to release it the next day no matter how large the list is.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

I'm pretty sure if personnel had the list something would've leaked from there

DETSGT · Guru

gige wrote:
Last I heard list is at personnel office in alphabetical order. Needs to be put in order to get get it print out by score. Won't be out until at least next week Sunday. Let's see.

Here it is. The stupidest comment on the thread.

70please · Senior Member

Sooo??? No list today .... Back to making a delusion that is life without a list

sgt2be · Guru

I know this process is frustrating. But if you guys are just going to state everyone's statements are stupid, then no one will post anything! 2011...answer key released, the guy got blasted! for hours and hours! GUESS what??? it was true, dcas mailed out the list on accident. You will see someone insight on here as being accurate, unfortunately theres so much info that until that day arrives, we wont know who provided the most accurate info. Id rather chase down leads then be bored...just mho

Cathetel · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
I know this process is frustrating. But if you guys are just going to state everyone's statements are stupid, then no one will post anything! 2011...answer key released, the guy got blasted! for hours and hours! GUESS what??? it was true, dcas mailed out the list on accident. You will see someone insight on here as being accurate, unfortunately theres so much info that until that day arrives, we wont know who provided the most accurate info. Id rather chase down leads then be bored...just mho

You make a point, but it's obvious the 205 rumor list at 1800 hrs no further post was a dirty trick. That was purely made up for his own entertainment. There were 20 plus viewers on this thread steadily for a good 24 hrs.

-- Edited by Cathetel on Thursday 28th of January 2016 01:10:01 PM

sgt2be · Guru

no no no...im telling you its not made up. Trust me I heard the same 2 weeks ago...I sent it private message to a few ppl on here. I didn't post it because I never got anything further it. To me....and its just my opinion...I would not start a new thread and post a number unless I got absolute confirmation on it bc it creates a crazy situation with ppl pissed like yesterday. But I did hear that number from 3 different ppl and no they don't talk to each other

-- Edited by sgt2be on Thursday 28th of January 2016 12:26:41 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

And I d get blasted. The only confirmed info I have is the 208 number. But people blast me when I put something up. Just not worth it to be honest and quite personally. I don't care anymore. Good luck guys I hope all make it, wait till it comes out and forget about this site.

sgt2be · Guru

ondeair...it is not what you post...it is how you post it. If you are going to state fact fact fact and it be wrong wrong wrong...then eventually people will not listen. Im wrong with a lot of things I see. I don't post everything for said reasons. I try to verify anything I post especially if I label it as fact. Ive heard 205 number.....I posted 296 number...are they wrong? probably! but notice its always what I heard....only thing I ever knew as FACT was when the tvb was ending. I was correct on that! so your info is welcomed, but if you are not willing to accept that most things you post are subject ot change or are just wrong, then you will continue to get the same reactions on here. I have never ever seen anyone post info about the list begin released and have it be accurate weeks prior.

Bigguy69 · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
no no no...im telling you its not made up. Trust me I heard the same 2 weeks ago...I sent it private message to a few ppl on here. I didn't post it because I never got anything further it. To me....and its just my opinion...I would not start a new thread and post a number unless I got absolute confirmation on it bc it creates a crazy situation with ppl pissed like yesterday. But I did hear that number from 3 different ppl and no they don't talk to each other

-- Edited by sgt2be on Thursday 28th of January 2016 12:26:41 PM

You also heard 296? At the end of the day you think this 205 rumor is on point ?

I-go-deep · Senior Member

I don't think NinR said the list was coming out, he just stated how many passed. We just assumed the list was coming out because he started a new thread with the title "The List"

Bklyn net · Senior Member

if 205 is right then they need to announce a test ASAP ..u figure 30 going in maybe next month which then leaves the list with 175 on it

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

Well that's just it that 205 number is the raw passers. No one can pin point the list size with the changes. Maybe they don't need to announce a test ASAP because of the changes we aren't aware of.

sgt2be · Guru

I don't believe the number 205...I actually believe ondeair with the passers...Even if hes wrong...I don't see a list of 205 being more then 1 or 2 changes. I just don't see 1 to 2 changes for this test. I don't see 11..but I don't see 1 either. This was A HARD TEST....and to me..it was decently written. So we know we have a small list...how small is anyones guess. The final list should reflect a HARD test + a decently written test. That means a smaller list then normal. Now, you have outside factors. IE- does the job want a larger list?? does the job want more diversity??? does the job not want to give another test in a year??? these CAN NOT AND WILL NOT BE ANSWERED BY ANYONE on here. So playing the numbers game means nothing. Too much that we can not answer. You can argue with me about this test all you want, obviously if im wrong and someone said the test was not decently written then that will increase the list size.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

everyone log off this site until the 17th of feb. i can tell u it aint coming out before then from someone very involved in the process i know. all these are guesstimates from all of us and causing stress for nothing. i have been told the last few weeks the "diversity" thing and i believe it. if u think the list is coming out non diverse, i would say ur wrong. cause right no there is no diversity on that list of the 208. NONE. and yes i know the numbers of the diversity of the 208--NOT 205 which is wrong---and the guy who gave me that info said he doesnt think the city is letting that fly. is it fact the city wont---NO. but lets be realistic, esp with this admin. closer to the 17th if i hear anything i ll post.

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

Who gives a f*ck about diversity? What's next? Lawsuits saying the LT multiple choice exam was racist? Give me a break already lol.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

Ondeeair nothing is written in black and white yet, stop writing these comments making it sound like it's for sure. Nothing is for sure.

Windeast · Senior Member

Listen, in the Chinese calendar, 120 is bad number which caused me to completely forget things on the test. That being said, I need to file a lawsuit cuz it should not have been 120. They did this on purpose I believe.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

Also, DCAS doesn't care about diversity. If you passed you passed, they could care less who or how many passed. This wouldn't be the first test that less than 300 people passed the exam.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

No I'm not saying anything is sure with that's what they ll do. But do u all work in the same city I do? It's NYC. The let's avoid lawsuits and racial bias cases at all costs. All that was said to me no it's not fact but I do believe that.

Licken_clitz · Newbie

So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.

Cathetel · Senior Member

scheduleB_magnet wrote:
Who gives a f*ck about diversity? What's next? Lawsuits saying the LT multiple choice exam was racist? Give me a break already lol.

It happened with FDNY. Bottom line is something is going on behind scenes because of how long this list is taking to be released.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

If u think the testing process is on the level, u are wrong.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

I'm not rev Al at all and happen to be Italian descent. However I was told by the same guy who has confirmed the 208 number that his opinion is there will be throw outs bc of a huge disparity in diversity on a ridiculous exam. No it's not fact but think about it. All I'm saying.

Cathetel · Senior Member

Licken_clitz wrote:
So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.

Not that it was intentional, but from my own personal observations of passers from multiple commands, they all happen to be of same race, also not one female. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe ondeeair is right.

-- Edited by Cathetel on Thursday 28th of January 2016 04:02:48 PM

-- Edited by Cathetel on Thursday 28th of January 2016 04:58:48 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

Listen I'm not posting to get a rise. I was told the 208 happen to be very very very non diverse. Maybe that won't change a Damn thing. My guy just doesn't think that will stand in this city---he's not saying he KNOWS. But do not believe this no throw out garbage. That is bull. Whether I make this or not there will be throw outs.

wisecop · Senior Member

Cathetel wrote:
Licken_clitz wrote:
So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.
Not that it was intentional, but from my own personal observations of passers from multiple commands, they all happen to be of same race, also not one female. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe ondeeair is right.

-- Edited by Cathetel on Thursday 28th of January 2016 04:02:48 PM

-- Edited by Cathetel on Thursday 28th of January 2016 04:05:18 PM

Lol so they gave a diverse test?

wisecop · Senior Member

The research questions are pre-selected and the purpose of them is to offset cheating. It basically throws off anyone who has an answer key on the make up since the questions are scattered. This whole 'diversity' rumor is just something someone made up and told ondeeair so he can cope with failure.

Flambino · Senior Member

I think the term is a "representative sample." Maybe there is some truth to this. If so, I think this would result with a larger number of changes, therefore I will fantasize about this being legit information.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

Everyone be advised, a member (Devil dog) posted on the other thread that he received a notification to show up to DCAS on Monday for verification of veterans credit. He passed from the beginning, but did not claim the credit until later.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

I guess the 17th of February sounds like a good release date, that's about 3 weeks. I was hoping that he had originally failed and then received the notice to appear, but at least we know it has started.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Cathetel wrote:
Licken_clitz wrote:
So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.
Not that it was intentional, but from my own personal observations of passers from multiple commands, they all happen to be of same race, also not one female. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe ondeeair is right.

I personally know eight people who passed. Three are Hispanic, one is Asian, four are white. One is female, she has the highest score of anyone I know personally. Not saying that's the epitome of diversity, but it wasn't all white guys who passed the test.

sgt2be · Guru

highest score I know of is an 87 Asian male....ive heard female with a 94 from makeup but can not verify that

wisecop · Senior Member

sixmonthwonder wrote:
Cathetel wrote:
Licken_clitz wrote:
So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.
Not that it was intentional, but from my own personal observations of passers from multiple commands, they all happen to be of same race, also not one female. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe ondeeair is right.
I personally know eight people who passed. Three are Hispanic, one is Asian, four are white. One is female, she has the highest score of anyone I know personally. Not saying that's the epitome of diversity, but it wasn't all white guys who passed the test.

Had 1000 people passed then you can get a "representative sampling" but when a couple hundreds BARELY passed i don't see how you expect anything but a diverse group. One thing stands out,...a lot of people on top of previous lists passed thjngs test. With the standard deviation being 20 points less. All thanks to the inbasket and the O.O.s

sixmonthwonder · Guru

wisecop wrote:
sixmonthwonder wrote:
Cathetel wrote:
Licken_clitz wrote:
So what are you saying, ondeeair? That because the exam was ridiculously hard it caused certain demographics to not be able to pass? That Capt V, by design, sought to exclude certain groups from passing? And if so, who was targeted for exclusion? Last I checked, the English grammar on that test was terrible for everyone who took it. Ondeeair is now Rev Al.
Not that it was intentional, but from my own personal observations of passers from multiple commands, they all happen to be of same race, also not one female. Maybe it's a coincidence, or maybe ondeeair is right.
I personally know eight people who passed. Three are Hispanic, one is Asian, four are white. One is female, she has the highest score of anyone I know personally. Not saying that's the epitome of diversity, but it wasn't all white guys who passed the test.
Had 1000 people passed then you can get a "representative sampling" but when a couple hundreds BARELY passed i don't see how you expect anything but a diverse group. One thing stands out,...a lot of people on top of previous lists passed thjngs test. With the standard deviation being 20 points less. All thanks to the inbasket and the O.O.s

True, you look at the four people who passed from our old command and three of them were towards the top of the 2011 Sergeant Exam. All of them scored above an 80 on that test (I think) and all below an 80 on this one. The other four people I know who passed this debacle all did very well on the 2011 Sergeant List. One scored in the mid 90's on that one, though he got a 72 on this one.

DOA · Senior Member

How many people filled out that part of the test? It was voluntary. Of those who did many of filled it out honestly? How do build a diverse list when your data is so flawed?

The diversity problem with our lists is more class based than anything anyway It's Patrol Scum vs Everybody Else. The more real police work you do, the greater the disadvantage. I believe the 2011 test was an example of what happens when they try to address it. They based half of it on subjective and random material to delete the advantage of traditional preparation.

They can't even write a traditional test without ****ing it up much write one designed to achieve a desired result.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

DOA wrote:
How many people filled out that part of the test? It was voluntary. Of those who did many of filled it out honestly? How do build a diverse list when your data is so flawed?

The diversity problem with our lists is more class based than anything anyway It's Patrol Scum vs Everybody Else. The more real police work you do, the greater the disadvantage. I believe the 2011 test was an example of what happens when they try to address it. They based half of it on subjective and random material to delete the advantage of traditional preparation.

They can't even write a traditional test without ****ing it up much write one designed to achieve a desired result.

True, six out of the eight people I know who passed are in inside gigs, and the two guys on patrol are both in hook houses that aren't too busy.

The majority of people who passed the test without scamming are likely the top rung of the 2011 Sergeant List. There are only a few people who failed (or didn't take) the 2011 Lieutenant Exam and somehow managed to pass this one.

Slate · Senior Member

Out of 128 people that passed the original test, there are probably less than 10 that are in actual patrol squads

Cathetel · Senior Member

Slate wrote:
Out of 128 people that passed the original test, there are probably less than 10 that are in actual patrol squads

Good point, I know of entire patrol commands with no passers.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

I don't think it makes a great difference to be on an inside gig or patrol. I think it's all about the person studying. I was in a BZ house when I took my test and making a minimum of 40 hours a month in OT and I worked 4×12 collaring at LEAST once a week . I did some studying at work, but most of my studying took place at home and I scored in the mid 80's. So whether you're inside or outside it's all on the person studying.

DOA · Senior Member

You said they were on patrol too which is an important distinction. It's not based whether you work in a precinct. The School Safety, Training and even Impact Sgts enjoy the same advantages as anyone in an outside detail (more in many cases). I'm not judging them. I'm in a detail myself. I just think, if the job wants to address bias in the testing process, that's where it needs to begin. Many details are filled by affiliation. It's just human nature. People on patrol tend to have the least affiliations (a.k.a hooks) so the anti-patrol bias over time manifests itself as gender and race bias too.

Cathetel · Senior Member

I-go-deep wrote:
I don't think it makes a great difference to be on an inside gig or patrol. I think it's all about the person studying. I was in a BZ house when I took my test and making a minimum of 40 hours a month in OT and I worked 4×12 collaring at LEAST once a week . I did some studying at work, but most of my studying took place at home and I scored in the mid 80's. So whether you're inside or outside it's all on the person studying.

Which test?