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sgt2be wrote:

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not true at all...before this key came out i pegged myself at a 76....i had 24 wrong as per gamblors key. I identified 8 different from that key...that i knew were right that gamblor had wrong. My score didnt move those bc i had 4 wrong that were right, and 4 right that were wrong. So my score increased bc i got more research to go my way...most of them coming from ops orders which bumped me up

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I passed by hammering yanosiks crossword puzzles ... If you didn't take the time to fill in the blanks on yanosiks packets then that's on you !!!


No but seriously i knew these instructors were full of **** ... If the key and elite said " hey just crush the guide" we wouldn't bother buying their scam

Took 2 tests , passed 2 Haven't attended a class yet

To further clarify I took elite but read the packets only on days I didn't feel like studying or was hungover ... I crushed the patrol guide I felt like the packets left too much testable info out ... Never went to a class because I felt they just read the packet out loud ... Believe the way to go is for a group of guys to all pinch in and make copies of stuff ... **** these instructors they made millions off of us on a test with a 95 percent failure rate ... That means we obviously weren't prepared .. I passed cause I read the guide like a Edp

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scheduleB_magnet wrote:

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In all seriousness, I know sgt2be. He knows his **** down cold. So there was no luck in him passing. Me on the other hand, I worked very hard to pass this exam, just as hard as others who have failed or are on the fence. Even though I did somewhat well, even with all the hard work, I will be the first to admit luck was on my side. A lot of research questions are ones I know for a fact I got wrong, and I was lucky enough to have that fall in my favor. The opposite could've easily happened to me, so for that I am blessed to have the opportunity to obtain the next rank and advance my career surviving this abortion of an exam. Almost every free moment I had was spent reading something straight from the patrol guide. I didn't use Yano's packets until about a week before the test when I was at my kids bedside at a hospital where she laid for almost a week with a bad kidney infection.

And for the record, I am and have been patrol my entire career, including as a sergeant, so stop with the "everyone who passed is at 1PP or IAB" generalization. I take pride in the amount of effort I put in while still being on the street, so hard work definitely played a part.

-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Monday 25th of May 2015 08:50:54 PM

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 Bro you weren't luck....you were right up there w me and prob to a pt where you deserved to do better than me...this was not a lucky Saturday test. The one thing I'll give them credit is eliminating that variable as much as possible. I know alot of ppl when they studied and told me I'm studying to pass. It's so funny bc I'd sit there and laugh to myself. I studied for a hundred...they studied to pass. those guys all failed...and need alot if help 64's. The guys w 67s etc on here...most of you guys will end up on the passing side. Some will not..but that's the purpose of a test...some succeed and some do not

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 I definitely studied to ace the test and be in the first class and I think that made a difference. Had I studied just to pass or be on the list, I'd probably be in the same predicament as most find themselves now, in my personal opinion. 

sixmonthwonder wrote:

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Everyone I know who passed was studying extremely hard, not just studying to pass. Most of them were some of the top scores of the 2011 sergeant test. Anyone who didn't put everything into it was dead as soon as they opened the booklet on this one. A few people that studied very hard and deserved to pass didn't, and hopefully they'll grab a few points on the protest, but anyone who didn't study like a maniac had no shot to begin with.

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 Agreed 110%

Back to question 54 lol

I agree with sgt2be. 54 aint going anywhere. People should def refocus their efforts on questions that have a chance to have the answer amended.

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Monday 25th of May 2015 11:25:02 PM

People say it's a trowout

I read the patrol guide in the beginning but stopped after 212 and just read packets. I attended the key the whole 6 months and did the key review and cram and the elite review and cram. I ordered the packets from rising star and printed out all the packets from the academy. In the month and a half before the test I took off 27 days. In the three weeks before the test I re-read every packet (all the schools) and did all of their questions for the first time. And then went back and figured out why I had gotten questions wrong. 6+ hours 5 days a week since January. 8-12 hours a day last three weeks.

For the 11 sergeants test I did the same thing but had read the whole patrol guide and found that everything I wanted was covered in at least one of the packets. Only read up to 212 this time.

Never mind, just saw on another thread. Congrats on making it.

I studied mostly PG from 202-212, Juveniles, Accidents and Dept Property. 213,214,216,218 and 220 was just straight Elite packets. I didnt read any OO, Penal law or Crime reference guide. I read very few Legal Bereaus. I think I averaged out 6 hours study days for six months with a few days off. I studied more for our Sgts test and scored lower on it. I think its because for our Sgt's test I read the entire PG, like specialty actors and everything.( Stupid, I know). I gotta say, for the entire PG that I did read, I only read 2-5 Star procedures. The one stars I read from the academy material or the elite packets. It was a rough 6 months and I feel for everyone that studied like i did or more and didnt pass.

GDASSCLUB what did you study then? Just the packets?

GDASSCLUB wrote:

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Key packets. I felt all the pg questions on the test were covered by the key packets. There is not one procedure the test asked where it wasn't covered in the packets. I feel the key didn't do a great job this time around. Use of technology; emphasis on not covering certain materials; some of the fill in instructor. As a stated before I never wasted my time reading the guide. The key gives a reader digest version in the packets. I feel that's all you need.. Let's face it the in basket killed everybody. No class could prepare us for that.. I still think no class in the future can prepare for that..I did 4 in basket 2 weeks before exam day .. Felt like I prepared myself.

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 Are you talking about the 2015 LT test? 

Key covered all PG questions. Didn't say ops orders. Key covered all interim orders and legal bureau that were tested

DETSGT wrote:

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GDASSCLUB you either didn't take the test or your trolling.

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 I'm confused as you are I guess the key had all you needed to get a 70.  Smh

That's my point. The key did provide its student's with enough to pass this test. Think about it. Packets had all PG; I/O; legal; and covered one of the ops orders tested. The rest of the test was test taking ability and time management. Without the key I would have never passed.

 

I read the book cover to cover.  I took notes on every procedure--not just the 5 shields-- I took B-12 vitamins, i hydrated myself, i took tylenol during the test to eliminate any headaches that might come up during the test...i used Rosemary oil while i studied and during the test--it helps with concentration (read about it), i spent 3 weeks vacation doing 11 hour days...

Did all this things help? Whos knows and who gives a fvck, all I know is that it gave me a mental edge, and thats all i needed.  

This test was ridiculous BUT not impossible.  The 2011 test was worse than this one.  With this one there was already a fvcked up template in place...with 2011 there was none.

i say all that to say this:  the test was not  won by people that studied hard...this test was won by the people that won the MENTAL BATTLE waged by capt insano----thats all there is to it!!

Those that failed didnt fail because they didnt study, they failed because they fell into the trap laid out cleverly by insano and his minions, namely the time crunch and the fvcked up 2-3 part Questions.  

I made the same mistake in 2011.  In 2011, I remember looking out the window thinking i falied this fvking test---i was on question 40 at the time....I LOST IT MENTALLY, i slipped into desperation mode.  I ended with a 68, had i relaxed ingo it i would had picked up another 5 points easily, but in desperation mode theres little chance.

i was destined not to repeat history this time around.  

 

emt54 wrote:

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I studied very hard and am sitting on a 69. I really bombed the inbasket. Mostly because I did it last and ran out of time. If I hadn't studied so hard , I would have never recovered from that nightmare. I know I'm on the wrong side of 70 , but I'm in a much better position to pass than I thought I would be. The funny thing is, on some questions actually knowing the procedure cold hurt you instead of helped you. 106 and 45 are examples of this. I knew for a fact that the so called correct answers were wrong, and I didn't pick them because of it. Hopefully the panel sees it the same way.

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Those will both be thrown out, 106 has to for obvious reasons and 45 should since the answer given as correct does not state the same thing as the Patrol Guide at all.

I know what you're saying about 106, I was shocked I got it right because when I entered the answer choice I knew it was wrong, but nothing else made sense at all so I picked it anyway.

Justice,

I agree about rising star. It's an excellent product

I said on D-Day+1 on this very forum that even if I ended up in the top 10-percent I would still say this test was a disaster. Well I'm at 68 and well within the top 10-percent . . . and I'm failing! Yeah, I'll likely get there with throwouts/doubles but it's beside the point. This test was a cluster****.

The test was ludicrous. Normal tests are not written to be 'beaten.' If that's the purpose then have they should have us climb a mountain or cross a desert and answer a riddle from a wise sage that lives at the top or other side. Maybe they can throw us in the ring with Ivan Drago and see how much of a beating we can take while they're at it. You can congratulate yourselves for your mental fortitude all you want but there is no defending this. Time management, test-taking ability and the like always play a role in one's performance on any test, however, measuring these qualities should not be the focus of any test much less a competitive promotional exam. That's what happened here. I don't recall them being tested on any other exam I have taken in my life. I also don't recall seeing mental stamina, riddle solving ability or a capacity to decipher trick-questions listed on the NOE either. People talk about the OOs being arbitrary meanwhile the entire test's format was arbitrary in this sense! It was an ambush and, whether you passed or failed, it is indefensible.

Don't get me wrong. I believe people who are north of the line earned their spot on the top of the list. It wasn't luck. I gave it a huge effort. I earned my spot in the top 10-percent. I know others who gave more. They deserve to be higher. I believe those who scored better than I, by and large, earned that higher score. I don't begrudge anyone their success even if luck played a little bit of a hand. You earned your spot on the top of the list. As ****ed up as this test was, nobody can take that away from you.

Su Madre 24 wrote:

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I'm at 67. You really thinks that puts us in top 10% range?

I wonder what the average score was. 62?

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I think the average score is likely much lower than that. Remember, you can't use the people on this forum as a barometer for the average sergeant who took this test. Most of the people here, even the ones who failed by quite a lot, were studying pretty hard from the gate. The majority of people did not study nearly as hard as us. The guy next to me at the test literally had about 40 questions left when the bell range. A lot of people just went to the class and barely cracked the book, hoping for a "Lucky Saturday."

The average score for members of this forum may be around 62, but for the job as a whole I would guess low 50's and possibly even 40's.

-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Thursday 28th of May 2015 05:31:11 PM

sixmonthwonder wrote:

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Su Madre 24 wrote:

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I'm at 67. You really thinks that puts us in top 10% range?

I wonder what the average score was. 62?

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I think the average score is likely much lower than that. Remember, you can't use the people on this forum as a barometer for the average sergeant who took this test. Most of the people here, even the ones who failed by quite a lot, were studying pretty hard from the gate. The majority of people did not study nearly as hard as us. The guy next to me at the test literally had about 40 questions left when the bell range. A lot of people just went to the class and barely cracked the book, hoping for a "Lucky Saturday."

The average score for members of this forum may be around 62, but for the job as a whole I would guess low 50's and possibly even 40's.

-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Thursday 28th of May 2015 05:31:11 PM

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 Definitely agree. The actual average score for this exam with everyone that sat for it is more between 48-51.