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HardExam · Senior Member

What is the Key and Elite doing to help their students?

papote170 · Senior Member

he is problably on vacation enjoying his Million of dollars he made from all of us while we spend our time being disgruntled from this debacle !

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

papote170 wrote:
he is problably on vacation enjoying his Million of dollars he made from all of us while we spend our time being disgruntled from this debacle !

YANO BE LIKE..."EVERYBODY LOOK UP...WE'RE GONNA WAIT AND SEE AFTER THESE PROTESTS. THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS..."

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

In all seriousness, Mike put his heart and soul into his course and there's no way anyone could've prepared us for this disaster. I put every effort into his course and I feel I definitely wouldn't have passed without his direction.

bronxraider · Veteran Member

scheduleB_magnet wrote:
papote170 wrote:
he is problably on vacation enjoying his Million of dollars he made from all of us while we spend our time being disgruntled from this debacle !
YANO BE LIKE..."EVERYBODY LOOK UP...WE'RE GONNA WAIT AND SEE AFTER THESE PROTESTS. THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS..."

B! OMG you are crazyyyyyyy! wtf you killed me with this! lololololol this is too too funny!

papote170 · Senior Member

we are not arguing the fact that he didnt put his heart and soul into preparing us for this debacle,, i agree with you,,i went to all of his classes and i have to admit he is a great instructor,,however,, ever since the exam he has been "MIA" and i feel he has left his students out to die alone ! .. in my opinion he is not doing a good job on keeping his students,, but then again,,who we got left..the Key?? i think they are worst than Elite,, unless Misfud has more little birds talking to him on his shoulders !!!

New2this · Senior Member

Elite was good. Had the in basket been a tough but fair one I would be happy about the outcome. 66....smh at the in basket 14 wrong.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

New2This,

All us disgrace 65 and up failures all crapped out on the in-basket. I "only" had 12 wrong

TiNmAn · Senior Member

17 wrong on the in basket. Sitting on 67. Still have some hope.

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

bronxraider wrote:
B! OMG you are crazyyyyyyy! wtf you killed me with this! lololololol this is too too funny!

That's how I do. Been churning out gifs since 2011.

sig226 · Senior Member

-- Edited by sig226 on Saturday 23rd of May 2015 05:37:20 PM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

Yano ad the Irish mafia are goign to "help" you again when you get the next Lt exam email in your inbox telling you of their great storied class!!!! how they made a book called Fineology---like L Ron Hubbard selling Dianetics in the 1980s. How they passed s**t intel on to us from "little birdies". How they pushed their BANK----yes----BANK----during the hours i payed for your class. yep----laughing all the way to the bank. Yano is like a sasquatch and whitey bulger now. we ll have limited sightings and sporadic emails---but see him you wont. he bought an island in the carribean with our money

sig226 · Senior Member

Lmao...yano...irish mafia...little birdies..
ondeeair you forgot another catch phrase and i want you to use it from now on
bagel party!! We gonna have coffee, bagels and chips. 8 hour cram course bagel party!!!

FranknBeans · Senior Member

I'm gonna go with KSA fully next time.

New2this · Senior Member

KSA is outdated. Arty starch needs to let it go. They dropped the ball on the LTs exam prep

DETSGT · Guru

I ordered a KSA patrol guide since the key did not provide us one. It was decent, but after Jan 18 I contacted KSA multiple times via phone and email for the pg updates to no avail.

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

DETSGT wrote:
I ordered a KSA patrol guide since the key did not provide us one. It was decent, but after Jan 18 I contacted KSA multiple times via phone and email for the pg updates to no avail.

KSA was decent except some of section was not updated

Windeast · Senior Member

I'm gonna print out patrol guide and sit in a bagel store for 8 hours = same result

bigfoot45 · Guru

New2this wrote:
KSA is outdated. Arty starch needs to let it go. They dropped the ball on the LTs exam prep

KSA's website had major bugs but the material was pretty good. I didn't use it much because it kept freezing

on my mac. Artie doesn't seem to do any advertising anymore. Just word of mouth.

DETSGT · Guru

Key was on point for 2011 Sgt exam. Unfortunately I feel they fell off a little this year. Although I believe their packets remain the best in the business, they did not provide a pg and their online stuff was crap.

Elite seemed well organized, Espically the elite guide and website. I just don't like those fill in the blanks.

Ksa like I said was decent. Although they did not provide updates for the interim orders.

Even the academy material seemed out of pace and definetly out of date this time around.

None of the above would have made a difference anyway since this test was such an abomination.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

DETSGT wrote:
Key was on point for 2011 Sgt exam. Unfortunately I feel they fell off a little this year. Although I believe their packets remain the best in the business, they did not provide a pg and their online stuff was crap.

Elite seemed well organized, Espically the elite guide and website. I just don't like those fill in the blanks.

Ksa like I said was decent. Although they did not provide updates for the interim orders.

Even the academy material seemed out of pace and definetly out of date this time around.

None of the above would have made a difference anyway since this test was such an abomination.

I agree. All of the material helped me a bit, the Rising Star stuff was really good with LBB, but none of it was good enough to tackle this stuff on it's own, or even combined with other courses.

I didn't mind the Key giving the digital PG, once I got the hang of navigating it on my tablet it was much easier than having the paper guide. It wasn't a problem until our protest session since DCAS won't allow any technology in the room because God forbid someone snap a photo of their super secret material. I borrowed an Elite Guide from a coworker who had given up and wasn't going to the protest.

That stupid KSA test was probably the most similar to our actual test, only because it was so ridiculously cheesy.

-- Edited by sixmonthwonder on Sunday 24th of May 2015 06:03:52 AM

Devil Dog · Senior Member

DETSGT wrote:
I ordered a KSA patrol guide since the key did not provide us one. It was decent, but after Jan 18 I contacted KSA multiple times via phone and email for the pg updates to no avail.

ksa did provide updates for their guide. I too couldn't find a way to order it online, but a friend of mine is enrolled to automatically receive the updates. he was nice enough to give the material to me since he was not studying.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Oh, and I double agree with DETSGT about the Key's online and audio being crap compared to Elite's. The classes were good and would have carried us through a fair exam, but they have to get into the 21st century with the multimedia.

DETSGT · Guru

Worst part is that this test leaves us wondering what will they do next time? And how can we prepare ourselves.

sgt2be · Guru

Wondering where they got their answers for the 2011 exam should have made you wonder...you would be fine on this exam if you studied ops orders and whole pg...they didn't pull out answers from a phantom book!

-- Edited by sgt2be on Sunday 24th of May 2015 12:39:16 PM

FranknBeans · Senior Member

The procedural guide for KSA was good IMO. Surprisingly the Key app was good for a few points.

DETSGT · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
Wondering where they got their answers for the 2011 exam should have made you wonder...you would be fine on this exam if you studied ops orders and whole pg...they didn't pull out answers from a phantom book!

-- Edited by sgt2be on Sunday 24th of May 2015 12:39:16 PM

Who really studied the OO? I reviewed a few (Marijuana and body worn cameras) but who in the hell would really study those obscure OO?

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Rising star sent every meaningful ops order to us in the last packet which was 220. I didn't reD because there were so many. I told the company going forward to split ops orders evenly thru the 20 weeks

sgt2be · Guru

Ofcourse....but it's not like they haven't been tested before....those opinion questions were never asked! And that book never mentioned

Sarge · Senior Member

actually sgt2be, my co was telling me the other day that he failed a lieutenants test some years back because it was half opinion questions and he obviously wasn't talking about the 2011 lt test....

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Monday 25th of May 2015 02:47:53 PM

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

DETSGT wrote:
Key was on point for 2011 Sgt exam. Unfortunately I feel they fell off a little this year. Although I believe their packets remain the best in the business, they did not provide a pg and their online stuff was crap.

Elite seemed well organized, Espically the elite guide and website. I just don't like those fill in the blanks.

Ksa like I said was decent. Although they did not provide updates for the interim orders.

Even the academy material seemed out of pace and definetly out of date this time around.

None of the above would have made a difference anyway since this test was such an abomination.

I agree for the most part. I used the Key in 2011 and they were on point, I raved about the packets and instructors. Then for this exam they totally fell off. The entire "Cross out the next paragraph" which was all Captain duties pissed me off. Basically they utilized the same exact packets they did for the recent Captain exam and didnt want to edit / reprint. And the digital PG was basically annoying. Maybe I'm "old school" but I wanted a CD for my car and bought a PG from them which wasn't included.

The Elite fill-in's are distracting. It's straight PG too, the Key's charts and breakdowns are still on point and for me trump Elite. Misfud held the Key together, he's legit as a teacher.

I guess the same goes for both classes that what we were all prepared for simply wasn't on the test. I mean I attended Yano's cram classes, he was a great instructor and I def learned some stuff but his 5 star procedures weren't 5 star. But the same went for the Key the "Don't worry about this" stuff ended up being on the exam!

Elite was $100 more than the Key- But that was a non-factor. The Key made me basically buy a PG ($55) and buy their app which only had questions ($30). So that basically made the price the same. Elite's website was impressive for sure.

-- Edited by JobsAJoke on Tuesday 26th of May 2015 09:34:48 PM

sgt2be · Guru

no the 5 stars are 5 stars....5 stars doesnt equal for sure on test! It means its important/been asked before/knowledge necessary when out on patrol etc etc. The 5 stars should have and should remain 5 stars! One stars should have been studied...i memorized a few here and there and were familar with the rest. Seemed to help me out big time on this test. You cant straight out memorize everything..its impossible! Yano IMHO did his job....but this time around you had to be very disciplined to do alot of the work on ur own. You think buying 3 companies worth of material equals a passing grade???? HA! those who do that usually lack self discipline and are dependant on the classes to structure them. Now i will admit, i needed yano to structure my study habits....but i went beyond his recommendations. When he said study for 5 hours a week,...i was on 5 hours a day. That to me is was drove my grade and gave me the edge on this test.

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

I did exactly what I did this time for the 2011 Sgt exam, study-wise, and I crushed that '11 test (As did another 1600+ people). I walked away w/ a 63 on this one. There was definitely material I didn't focus on that I should have. But in reality say we had another month I would have studied the exact same way. I put the time in but choked.

In 2011 I lived and died by the Key. This time I truly didn't feel they had their sh*t together which drove me to attend some Yano classes. I never would have if I felt the Key was on point this time.

sgt2be · Guru

two completely seperate beasts...this test took much more heart and much more attention to detail.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

This had to be one of the hardest tests ever.

DETSGT · Guru

128 pass out of approximately 2600? I'd say that's a hard test.

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

I sent Yano a copy of my protest for question number 35 and asked him what he though along with a picture of three other questions. He said "I Would say yes! I think you should argue that Choice B is incorrect because the blah blah blah. Would u happen to have any other questions in PDF like this one?" Granted I didnt ask him to write out the protest for me but I figured since he has protested before he could give me a better direction. It wasnt the case. Maybe it was because my protest was flawless so there was nothing to add (Highly doubt it lol). It seems he probably just wants the questions for his next class. I will still attend Yanos course for the Captains test. I think he is overall the strongest in his field.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Interesting to see how many pass after the protest is over

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Nikky that's great you did that. Which questions did you submit to him?

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

Su Madre 24 wrote:
Nikky that's great you did that. Which questions did you submit to him?

34 and 35. I was going to do 54 but I protested that one at the session. U are not allowed to re submit for any questions u already protested. So it would be pointless to ask him for advice on that one. Question one he would be no help in either since thats the in basket question.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I'm gonna copy your idea for yano's feedback for 7, 10 and 106

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Wednesday 27th of May 2015 12:03:38 AM

NYC Devil Dog · Member

I sent Question 54 to Yano about a week ago and I have not heard anything back from him yet. I first asked him if he minded taking a look at it and he said, "sure send it." I havent heard from him yet. Maybe it was due to the holiday weekend.

confuse

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

Nikkydenimblue wrote:
I sent Yano a copy of my protest for question number 35 and asked him what he though along with a picture of three other questions. He said "I Would say yes! I think you should argue that Choice B is incorrect because the blah blah blah. Would u happen to have any other questions in PDF like this one?" Granted I didnt ask him to write out the protest for me but I figured since he has protested before he could give me a better direction. It wasnt the case. Maybe it was because my protest was flawless so there was nothing to add (Highly doubt it lol). It seems he probably just wants the questions for his next class. I will still attend Yanos course for the Captains test. I think he is overall the strongest in his field.

I'll be right there with you. Hoping Yano can take me to the promised land.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

Yano is on his flyboard in the Gulf of Mexico rite now with his kid in the jet ski. stop emailing with him---he isn't helping u out!!!!! all us failures are potential clients for the next Lt exam why on earth would he help you know. you are another G I. 3 years a s Yano gotta get around da globe people come on!!!!!

Just Joined · Member

if you protested at the session you cant submit again via mail?

Windeast · Senior Member

Elite and key are sitting on the beach right now sipping on mojitos saying to each other... "They'll be back, they have no where else to go.. Bwahahaha"

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Arty Storch and KSA

I might use their questions next time also

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Arty and KSA are the truth!!!

bigfoot45 · Guru

KSA questions are great.