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soccerpsyco32 · Senior Member

RE: 400+ person List Without Doubt

DrUnK247 · Senior Member

From what I read on this site their were 3 o.o. On this test. Does anyone know what number they were

Flambino · Senior Member

17 & 18 , and I think # 27 were ops orders. # 79 had an ops order as one of the answer choices.

tensixone · Senior Member

Keep helping those that didn't take the test yet

sig226 · Senior Member

27 is a combo of 203 procedure and either lbb or op order

Bloggingrookie · Member

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Please refrain from posting answers until after the sabbath. Some people cannot be on computers today making cheating that much harder.

New2this · Senior Member

Flambino wrote:
17 & 18 , and I think # 27 were ops orders. # 79 had an ops order as one of the answer choices.

17 and 18 were the same operations order and the operations order was listed in the stem of the question. 27 was a totally different operations order and was listed in the stem of the question. Now question 79 had an operations order as bone of the answer choices. I truly believe that those four questions have a extremely high chance of being thrown out.

Not on the NOE. Shouldn't be on the examination. Simple as that for me. Lazy DCAS took 2011 LT NOE and changed a few things around thus omitting the term operations order. 2006 LT NOE has operations orders listed making it easier for us to have these questions thrown out.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I bet you Ops orders stick

New2this · Senior Member

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I bet you Ops orders stick

Why?

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Because DCAS doesn't give a damn.

I'm honestly shocked by the traffic this forum is still getting. Outside of Ondeeair's "scoops", no one will know a goddamn thing till the list release.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I finally read the 2013 sgt exam NOE. Comparing it to our NOE...Ops Orders SHOULD BE thrown out...but people's hope are too high on that thought.

DETSGT · Guru

Lol @ "scoops"

queensfinest · Senior Member

I want half my money back from elite.How about we protest that

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Yano is playing the worlds smallest violin for us...while wasting away his millions in Margaritaville

DatnoidS · Veteran Member

U guys should stop blaming on the class instructors. Yano worked his ass off and tried his very best. Its unfortunate that test went in this direction. Now we know, both the key and elite cant keep up with these unpredicatable type of exams

RMP6969 · Senior Member

queensfinest wrote:
I want half my money back from elite.How about we protest that

Why are people bashing Yanosik? The guy gave his heart and soul into his classes. He didn't write the test. He did his best to guide people into the right direction. The guys not a mind reader. To blame him for a ****ty test isn't fair. He ALWAYS responded to my texts and emails. Did he blow you off? If you said you wanted your money back from The Key I'd understand. Their packets were full of mistakes and poorly written. Also Misfud lead people into thinking he knew for a fact that CIMS would be on the exam. Yanosik only said he "would expect" to see 5-6 questions on CIMS.

New2this · Senior Member

Well I believe that if the operations orders are not thrown out I will consult with a civil service attorney. I am not one for lawsuits but if they do that then I will do what I have to do

Su Madre 24 · Guru

My last post about Yano was a joke.

Mike Yanosik had a first class operation. His Elite Guide is amazing.

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 04:27:41 PM

queensfinest · Senior Member

He was good I changed my mind i only want 30% back

On Point Info · Senior Member

@RMP6969, CIMS was on the test.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

1st off i forgive those that tar n feather me on this board. i only try n relay what i got. the fact that "Promo-Gate" occurred and this is being allowed is SICK. everyone who saw the exam saw that this maniac got his paws on the packets and the fact that people saw ERNIE in the CRAM class is sick. it was posted weeks ago that this loser was in Yano s cram. this makes the New Enlgand Patriots look like goddam choir boys with the s**t these guys pulled. straight out of the belicheck/brady playbook-----Insano & Ernie robbed people. this was Insano s ultimate f**k you to the job for his stagnate career. he planned this like lard ass in "stand by me" and if you dont think this is the ultimate revenge-----your in fantasy land. yes---there will be a list and it ll be no lower than 400. why? cause the city doesnt give a s**t about how hard the exam was or the legit people who passed. they care about numbers. but---insano cheated some people------and to let Promo-Gate go and left unchecked------is a huge integrity issue. there was a integrity issue with ernie being in that class and im gonna scan the posts to see who saw him but evidently its common knowledge in man south cause guys from the 13th saw him there.

On Point Info · Senior Member

If Ernie, a test writer, was present at a class there is a major problem. From prior experience of writing an exam you cannot interact or intentionally come in contact with any test candidates. You sign paperwork for the DCAS Inspector General with all kinds of rules. If Ernie violated any rules he should be dealt with accordingly!

wisecop · Senior Member

ondeeair2321 wrote:
1st off i forgive those that tar n feather me on this board. i only try n relay what i got. the fact that "Promo-Gate" occurred and this is being allowed is SICK. everyone who saw the exam saw that this maniac got his paws on the packets and the fact that people saw ERNIE in the CRAM class is sick. it was posted weeks ago that this loser was in Yano s cram. this makes the New Enlgand Patriots look like goddam choir boys with the s**t these guys pulled. straight out of the belicheck/brady playbook-----Insano & Ernie robbed people. this was Insano s ultimate f**k you to the job for his stagnate career. he planned this like lard ass in "stand by me" and if you dont think this is the ultimate revenge-----your in fantasy land. yes---there will be a list and it ll be no lower than 400. why? cause the city doesnt give a s**t about how hard the exam was or the legit people who passed. they care about numbers. but---insano cheated some people------and to let Promo-Gate go and left unchecked------is a huge integrity issue. there was a integrity issue with ernie being in that class and im gonna scan the posts to see who saw him but evidently its common knowledge in man south cause guys from the 13th saw him there.

Many of us are still licking the wounds of this beat down. This is a time for healing and reflection. The protest has passed please stop posting clues and answers everyone. This is a period to let time takes its course and when the dust settles we will see the body count. For a lot of us this ass whooping is a great lesson. For years we put our fate in the crutch the schools provided. The days of not reading the Patrol Guide and related items are gone. The schools are not too blame it was only a matter of time. For some the bitter taste of losing 8 months neglecting family, friends, health etc.. will linger for years. Don't let this break you, time heals and at the end of the day this is still a great job.

wisecop · Senior Member

On Point Info wrote:
If Ernie, a test writer, was present at a class there is a major problem. From prior experience of writing an exam you cannot interact or intentionally come in contact with any test candidates. You sign paperwork for the DCAS Inspector General with all kinds of rules. If Ernie violated any rules he should be dealt with accordingly!

This Ernie guy being in the class presents a great conflict of interest issue. In addition, there should be concerns regarding the content in the test. The fact that many of the questions and material favored some schools over others. At the end of the day, there is a filing fee to take this test and sitting in the classes to get intel rigs the odds in the city's favor.

RMP6969 · Senior Member

On Point Info wrote:
@RMP6969, CIMS was on the test.

I know CIMS was on the test. What I meant to say is Misfud stressed it as if he knew that it would be hit hard. He brought it up numerous times as if he knew for a fact that there would be 5 questions or more. I can start my own classes and say "Hey guys 207 is going to be on the test" No sh.t. The bottom line is bashing Yanosik isn't fair. Even bashing the Key isnt fair. At the end of the day your gripe should be with whoever was involved in writing the test and not the people doing their best to try and help you pass.

brooklynnorth · Member

wisecop, If Im not mistaken the test writers finished writing that test about 3 months before we took it. Him going to a cram does not effect the test aside from him wasting his 50 bucks and looking like a douche to the people who recognized him.

wisecop · Senior Member

brooklynnorth wrote:
wisecop, If Im not mistaken the test writers finished writing that test about 3 months before we took it. Him going to a cram does not effect the test aside from him wasting his 50 bucks and looking like a douche to the people who recognized him.

It really makes no difference to me because I passed. It doesn't matter if it was 1 or 3 months before the class the allegation that he sat for the course is troubling. The writers should know nothing about the candidates and vice versa. How would you feel if one of his buddies gets a higher score? Get my drift.

-- Edited by wisecop on Saturday 16th of May 2015 06:26:58 PM

-- Edited by wisecop on Saturday 16th of May 2015 06:31:13 PM

DOS_EQUIS · Senior Member

On Point Info wrote:
If Ernie, a test writer, was present at a class there is a major problem. From prior experience of writing an exam you cannot interact or intentionally come in contact with any test candidates. You sign paperwork for the DCAS Inspector General with all kinds of rules. If Ernie violated any rules he should be dealt with accordingly!

I agree. they violated the integrity of a test. several anonymous calls should be made to IA. IAB entertains everything and at the very least they will spin it off the proper unit/ agency who will entertain it. If several calls are made they will do the leg work and entertain this like the other nonsense they entertain. At this point we have nothing to lose. hmm

hell with captain INSANO and this Ernie character.. they did not play nice in the sand box.. why should we??!

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

I like Mike , but I am not a fan of filling the blanks, I wasted 2 hours every week to do complete his packets before I could study his packet. If I spent 2 hours on O.O., I would be better off

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 07:27:48 PM

sgt2be · Guru

Ineed63 wrote:
I like Mike , but I am not a fan of filling the blanks, I wasted 2 hours every week to do complete his packets before I could study his packet. If I spent 2 hours on O.O., I would be better off

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 07:27:48 PM

if you need 2 hrs to do his packets then you did not know the procedures before class. I love how everyone complains about the fill ins how they took so long to look up the answers!! you should have known the answers w/o looking them up. Thats a study problem not a problem with the material

Windeast · Senior Member

I know a lot of people who took they key and are definitely not happy with them. Elite was good and mike def put his time and sweat into his program. I hope everyone gets the points they need to pass this damn foresaken test, I need that lucky 1 point, perhaps lucky bag will be thrown out giving me that lucky point. Question is, once u do pass and decide to move forward to the captain test, ur back where ur started. Where else u gonna to study? Need the class sessions to learn captain crap. Let's start a rumor here... All of the scantrons were accidentally dropped into a precinct's 61 shredder.

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
Ineed63 wrote:
I like Mike , but I am not a fan of filling the blanks, I wasted 2 hours every week to do complete his packets before I could study his packet. If I spent 2 hours on O.O., I would be better off

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 07:27:48 PM
if you need 2 hrs to do his packets then you did not know the procedures before class. I love how everyone complains about the fill ins how they took so long to look up the answers!! you should have known the answers w/o looking them up. Thats a study problem not a problem with the material

If I knew all the ans to the blanks, what do i need to show up at the class for? while I filled in the blanks, it took away my study time, cause i just did the work, not studying

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 08:00:06 PM

wisecop · Senior Member

Windeast wrote:
I know a lot of people who took they key and are definitely not happy with them. Elite was good and mike def put his time and sweat into his program. I hope everyone gets the points they need to pass this damn foresaken test, I need that lucky 1 point, perhaps lucky bag will be thrown out giving me that lucky point. Question is, once u do pass and decide to move forward to the captain test, ur back where ur started. Where else u gonna to study? Need the class sessions to learn captain crap. Let's start a rumor here... All of the scantrons were accidentally dropped into a precinct's 61 shredder.

Besides the Operations Orders the hardcore studiers were not really surprise by the procedures of this test, but more by the language, vague questions and the inconsistant nature of the inbasket. There is nothing you can do to prepare for an inbasket like that. Where else do you go to study? The answer is simple,

THE INTRANET.

-- Edited by wisecop on Saturday 16th of May 2015 08:05:43 PM

sgt2be · Guru

to reinforce the material....we learn many different ways as humans. I remember things by reading, but there are often times i missed things or i misinterupted what the guide stated. For example, vehicle pursuits, never knew the ps where the the pursuit originated does the report for patrol prct. The wording can be very confusing, so going to class clear these things up. You can take short cuts all you want, but on a test like this, i think those short cuts hurt you. I think the key is great in creating short cuts, but sometimes they back fire on a test like this. Mike did not lead us towards the way the test was going. However, his hard work and dedication certainly got you to a good place and then it was up to you to do the rest. So to answer your question, its imperative, i repeat imperative to absolutely know the material before going to class. Class reinforces certain parts, you go back home and review and then move on and repeat. Eventually it gets harder because you will be juggling new material and reviewing old, obviously as we all know.

sgt2be · Guru

wisecop wrote:
Windeast wrote:
I know a lot of people who took they key and are definitely not happy with them. Elite was good and mike def put his time and sweat into his program. I hope everyone gets the points they need to pass this damn foresaken test, I need that lucky 1 point, perhaps lucky bag will be thrown out giving me that lucky point. Question is, once u do pass and decide to move forward to the captain test, ur back where ur started. Where else u gonna to study? Need the class sessions to learn captain crap. Let's start a rumor here... All of the scantrons were accidentally dropped into a precinct's 61 shredder.
Besides the Operations Orders the hardcore studiers were not really surprise by the procedures of this test, but more by the language, vague questions and the inconsistant nature of the inbasket. There is nothing you can do to prepare for an inbasket like that. Where else do you go to to study. The answer is simple,
THE INTRANET.

couldnt have said it any better. The procedures were obscure, but not crazy! it wasnt just 1 star procedures all test long! But my god, the questions made you assume things and the english just plain awful on some. I thought this test was genius at first, but the second time i looked at it it made me think it was just amateurish at best. Alot of ppl always said why dont you do more inbaskets??? my answer was always once you understand the basic concepts there is NOTHING that can be done to prepare you. You wasted valuable study time trying to prepare for that in basket in which i still dont know how they derived some answers!

Windeast · Senior Member

I just found out who scored the highest on this exam.... He said he scored a 94 only because he got bored towards the end and didn't want to waste his time answering the last 6 questions.... His name is Brian Williams.

GottaGetOut · Veteran Member

I agree with the in-basket.I still don't know how they came to certain answers. Also, the wording was confusing an sometimes outright wrong. And most importantly, the questions tests very obscure material and often combined 2, 3 and even 4 obscure points. Many times I would know 1 or 2 of the parts of the questions but couldn't figure out that last one. But after going through the material during the protest, there are serious problems with the test and I believe that there will be a substantial number of throw-outs/double/triple answers. I sure hope I squeak by...

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Gottagetout whats your grade?

-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 08:36:51 PM

GottaGetOut · Veteran Member

68, it could happen

Su Madre 24 · Guru

67 here.

I'm very surprised how many people think 65 and up will survive. That's too much wishful thinking for my health. Haha

bigfoot45 · Guru

Not to beat a dead horse but the KEY has turned into garbage. Yano was slightly more expensive but the quality and work was there. The Key should be ashamed of the product they produced... not because they didn't prepare us for OPS orders or an insane in basket.... but the overall poor quality of the course and the BS predictions presented to us.

Also, as far as protesting questions we must remember that for it to be thrown out or a double answer we have to prove that our answer is as good or better. So some of the arguments I've been reading really don't fit that criteria. I'm not trying to be a killjoy but we need to keep that in mind when protesting. The question simply being written poorly is a poor argument. You need to show how an alternate answer is as good or better as a result of the poorly written question.

-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 09:36:45 PM

Bklyn net · Senior Member

I think we should win a couple whether its a double or throw out

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

bigfoot45 wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse but the KEY has turned into garbage. Yano was slightly more expensive but the quality and work was there. The Key should be ashamed of the product they produced... not because they didn't prepare us for OPS orders or an insane in basket.... but the overall poor quality of the course and the BS predictions presented to us.
Also, as far as protesting questions we must remember that for it to be thrown out or a double answer we have to prove that our answer is as good or better. So some of the arguments I've been reading really don't fit that criteria. I'm not trying to be a killjoy but we need to keep that in mind when protesting. The question simply being written poorly is a poor argument. You need to show how an alternate answer is as good or better as a result of the poorly written question.

-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 09:36:45 PM

Agreed 100% . I took a look at my friend who did the key and was pretty disappointed. I am glad I did elite strategic.

TiNmAn · Senior Member

I heard from past exams it is not that easy to convince a question from being tossed/doubles so hopefully we were convincing with our arguements . I think it will depend on who is on the panel and hopefully those on the cusp can make it.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

you heard wrong. when 128 pass---the lowest rate in NYPD history---just watch. there will be close to 10 throwouts. whether the revenge of the nerds when in there at the protest or not. its the way it works. my buddy knows. and they need at least 400. period.

TiNmAn · Senior Member

I'm not saying there will not be throwouts but like Bigfoot said we need valid points more than just the question was poorly written. The more the better since I'm shy a few points and I need some help so I hope you are correct.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

yeah i know the problem with 78---and you know what----hes right. yep---they got the numbers switched around in CIMS. dont think its valid either. but 59,6,& 61 are WRONG. no argument---no nothing---wrong. 1---a double answer without a doubt. 89 is in jibberish---u cannot answer it due to the english. gone. 115---prob gone. or double. im telling ya people are picking up points. i thought i was a 65 but checked my key and got letters wrong on yellow and am at 63. game over. 65 and over----ur in game. and even if ur protests sucked-----ur in GAME. trust me---my buddy is in OMAP and the one thing they do have to do with this is say we need xyz-----so dcas makes xyz. and for those of u saying the dept doesnt pay for exam-----stop. they do. it comes out of budget. so stop it.

stiggityone · Guru

No one...including your friend at OMAP...have any idea how many questions will be thrown out or how big the list ultimately will be. The job has no control and no influence over the panel that reviews the protests. I'm telling you that from experience. All the bull**** you've heard your entire career in the locker room like "they'll throw out a bunch of questions to get the list this big" is just that...bull****. Lieutenants will be recruited to form the review panel. That panel will spend the next several weeks going through all your protests and voting on whether or not they think your protests are valid and questions should be tossed. You get a very strict panel, few questions will be thrown out. You get a more liberal group, maybe you get a lot of questions tossed. But i'm telling you....if you think some mystery boss walks in the room and tells the panel..."guys...throw out at least 10 questions because the list is too small. Bratton is angry!!"...you're sadly mistaken.

notonlevel · Veteran Member

Very correct statement. I concur.

GottaGetOut · Veteran Member

Exactly