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bigfoot45 wrote:

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I disagree with some of you.  I really don't think there is a stat guy or a group of men in a room (this isn't Albany) that are ensuring a certain number passers.  That would be pure corruption and a lot of people would have to be in on it.  Also, history shows us that a test can be given every year if it needs to be.  Somehow give me a rational reason why there was a Sgt exam four years in a row from 06-09 if you believe that a city official/entity will stop at no means to create a large list like they apparently must do for this LT test.  I'm sorry but that theory is ridiculous.  Does no one else see this?  Was there not just a couple of captains tests and another one will be coming soon.   

-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 11:24:11 PM

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 I absolutely agree that if that was happening it would be a huge corruption scandal.  If they manipulated the list to suit the needs of the department, it effects so many careers of people that just took this test and of people waiting to have a shot at the next one.  I firmly believe that they will have an "it is what it is" attitude and simply announce another test in 1,2,3 years depending on list size.

 

think about it:  the top scorers from the 2013 sgt exam are probably happy as can be at this debacle, because that means they may get a shot at a LT test much sooner than expected.  

 

I know there will be doubles/throwouts when all is said and done, but they won't force throuwouts just to make the list bigger.  

wisecop wrote:

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bigfoot45 wrote:

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I disagree with some of you.  I really don't think there is a stat guy or a group of men in a room (this isn't Albany) that are ensuring a certain number passers.  That would be pure corruption and a lot of people would have to be in on it.  Also, history shows us that a test can be given every year if it needs to be.  Somehow give me a rational reason why there was a Sgt exam four years in a row from 06-09 if you believe that a city official/entity will stop at no means to create a large list like they apparently must do for this LT test.  I'm sorry but that theory is ridiculous.  Does no one else see this?  Was there not just a couple of captains tests and another one will be coming soon.   

-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 11:24:11 PM

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 Bigfoot is right, but the rank of lieutenant is the most desired and coincidently the last two exams  have been a **** show. Therefore, even though I dont think they can directly control the number of passers, they can manipulate the protest process and increase the list size that way.

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 You call it manipulation and I call justification.  If you can justify/prove your answer is as good or better you will get that point.  If not you don't.  This process alone will make a bigger list... if you can ONCE AGAIN PROVE YOUR ANSWER IS AS GOOD OR BETTER.  There is no guy/entity getting paid off to ensure more passers.  SMH.  I'm not trying to get snippy but these conspiracy theories are useless. 

I would put 106 in there

Samiam32 wrote:

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Wisecop you should have went to the protest you would not have felt the same way after looking over the test again.

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 Maybe, but that test raped me so bad, I didn't want to re-live the trauma.

I hope some protesters were smart enough to "memorize" some questions to later on get help from the schools for the mail in option.

Wisecop I said the same thing for the 2011 and I didn't make it and watched guys with scores equal or below me make it.  

-- Edited by TiNmAn on Sunday 17th of May 2015 12:02:16 AM

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ondeeair2321 wrote:

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59---wrong. 61----wrong. right out of the CCRG. dont kill yourselves. some of u are picking up points. some of you actually answered better then the 128 who passed. so trust me when all is said and done this list will be the same as last, they cant have 128 pass a promotional exam

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59 was A.  I consider myself a CCRG expert and I guarantee that one stands.  I won't say why on here but it is locked in.  The question just sucked because it came from a very difficult and obscure point in a guide nobody reads. It's OK though, others will get thrown out.

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Also someone refreshed my memory on #61, which was the other CCRG question.  That one is also unfortunately not arguable in my opinion.  If anyone would like me to explain why, just PM me and demonstrate that you know what the question is (to prove you took the exam).  Conversely, I would also be interested in hearing from someone who protested these questions and why you think they are throw outs.  I don't see it.

They will not throw out question or make double answers just to form a list.. Never gonna happen.. They will throw out questions and give double answers if people can legitimately argue and give valid reasoning.. Stapling NOE ain't gonna cut it..

bigfoot45 wrote:

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45 will get thrown out in my opinion because their answer is wrong as per the patrol guide.  That then will make all other answers as good because any wrong answer is no worse then their wrong answer. They tried to be too fine with that.  Whoever wrote that question has poor reading comprehension skills.  I just hope the people who read the protest understand the rational.  I'm sure some of you will get what I'm saying. 

-- Edited by bigfoot45 on Saturday 16th of May 2015 11:59:30 PM

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I agree, they dropped the ball on 45, in fact I would have answered it much differently had they actually worded it correctly. The way they articulated that answer made it obvious to me that the choice given was incorrect, sad that this group of ****s had eight months to write an exam and couldn't even do it correctly. Good for us I guess, there will definitely be several throw outs and doubles.

I got 106 right, even though it confused the Hell out of me and I knew I was picking something wrong, but it's 100% a throw out. This one shocked me more than anything, this showed complete sloppiness on the part of the exam writers. Anyone who claims they are "airtight" or "backed up" is absolutely wrong just based on 106. No intelligent person would allow that to transpire, I almost fell like they did it on purpose and intended it to be a throw out. Honestly I sort of think that.

Also I still want to challenge Vucinaj and Castro to a smoker, someone please arrange it.

What question # is the grammar? And question # about indians?

Our NOE did says " special operations order." Is that same thing as operations orders bc older NOE of previous test just said "operations order"

When I see special operations order I think of SOL. if they can tell me what a special operations order is and where I can find it then they got me on that one.

No they didn't get rid of judgements questions a lot of doubles from judgement questions. It was on the NOE however no one knew where we can study it from

That is the easiest way to make a sizeable list out of this exam. However I don't expect them to do the right thing. I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best.

So it looks like anywhere from 16-20 questions being protested. Hopefully we have a bunch of doubles/triples/throw outs. Or another test ASAP.