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I acknowledge that I had a kunt attitude yesterday. If I survive due to the efforts of others..God bless you all. And B I'll find u somewhere and buy u drinks.
-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Wednesday 13th of May 2015 08:04:50 PM
-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Wednesday 13th of May 2015 08:05:11 PM
About time you stop being a defeatist Su Madre. Man up.
Su madre, although 2011 was a mess and a ton of questions were throwouts, double and triple answers I personally think that they will have to either drop the passing grade, curve the test or throwout a certain number of questions to get a decent sized list. If they really are content with a list of 128 then by next month they will have to announce a new test. The old list will be done by october, then our test will prob be exhausted by next summer. Figure they need 6 months to give us for studying, then another few months after the test to make the list. That means they better start getting ready to announce a new one for the end of this year, which I will not be taking.
Went to the protest in Manhattan today. Protested about 4 questions although some people protested more. The test was not air tight at all. There were some mistakes but I also missed a lot of tricks. I don't know how many will be Throwouts or double answers but in my opinion not as many as 2011. I don't have a shot unless they curve it but I wanted to see what I got wrong and what I could protest to help those that were close. I definitely think guys/gals in the 60s will make it.
In the Manhattan protest they tried to jerk us out of an hour. Glad someone spoke up about it. *******s didn't even start till 10. I think this was a screwjob from top to bottom.
I would like to thank everyone who came to the Manhattan protest session today and wrote protests. I felt encouraged with what I experienced today. I would like to thank the two guys who passed with 75s and came in to write protest questions. Kudos.
At the Manhattan protest today, the security let us up at 0900 hours, only to be told that we had to go back downstairs and wait until 0930 hours to be let into to the classrooms. Mind you DCAS is on the 17th floor and they are doing other testing. Once in, we did not get started until about 1000 hours. We asked about the end time, the DCAS monitor (who was pleasant and helpful, a nice change) said 1545 hours. What? A fuss was made, a supervisor was located and she came in to the room. Once informed of the late start time at about 1000 hours and the length of the original test, she changed the end time to 1645 hours. Some people stayed working past 1600 hours.
After examining the test more carefully today, many of us found holes. The in-basket was still a tsunami. I just don't understand what the purpose of designing the test in that manner. More than ever, I think the in-basket should be eliminated from the test or it should be no more than 10% of the exam. The examiners went out of there way to pack questions with multiple procedures that cross reference many topics. The in-basket should be a fair representation of what happens in real work, not the extreme like the "Kobayashi Maru". I mean really examiners, why?
I hope many important people in the Department read the threads on this site and won't let this happen again. Didn't Bratton say something to the effect of..."Cops matter". If he did, it has lost its luster.
-- Edited by sharpie973 on Thursday 14th of May 2015 10:41:10 PM
-- Edited by sharpie973 on Friday 15th of May 2015 12:34:14 AM
I would like to thank everyone who came to the Manhattan protest session today and wrote protests. I felt encouraged with what I experienced today. I would like to thank the two guys who passed with 75s and came in to write protest questions. Kudos.
At the Manhattan protest today, the security let us up at 0900 hours, only to be told that we had to go back downstairs and wait until 0930 hours to be let into to the classrooms. Mind you DCAS is on the 17th floor and they are doing other testing. Once in, we did not get started until about 1000 hours. We asked about the end time, the DCAS monitor (who was pleasant and helpful, a nice change) said 1545 hours. What? A fuss was made, a supervisor was located and she came in to the room. Once informed of the late start time at about 1000 hours and the length of the original test, she changed the end time to 1645 hours. Some people stayed working past 1600 hours.
After examining the test more carefully today, many of us found holes. The in-basket was still a tsunami. I just don't understood what the purpose of designing the test in that manner. More than ever, I think the in-basket should be eliminated from the test or it should be no more than 10% of the exam. The examiners went out of there way to pack questions with multiple procedures that cross reference many topics. The in-basket should be a fair representation of what happens in real work, not the extreme like the "Kobayashi Maru". I mean really examiners, why?
I hope many important people in the Department read the threads on this site and won't let this happen again. Didn't Bratton say something to the effect of..."Cops matter". If he did, it has lost its luster.
-- Edited by sharpie973 on Thursday 14th of May 2015 10:41:10 PM
Maybe 2,600 IAB log numbers will get someone's attention. There is something very wrong with having the exam writers sitting in on our classes so they could ask the complete opposite procedures. There really should be an investigation. Yanosik went over a crazy senario in one of his cram classes. Yanosik himself wasn't even sure what the correct answer would be. Of course he said that would never be asked, but somehow that very crazy senario landed on this test. People lost a Sh$t load of money, and time on this test for only 5% to pass. Something is very unethical about this and cleary should be investigated. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one thinking this either
-- Edited by NOWAYOUT on Thursday 14th of May 2015 11:20:53 PM
I would like to thank everyone who came to the Manhattan protest session today and wrote protests. I felt encouraged with what I experienced today. I would like to thank the two guys who passed with 75s and came in to write protest questions. Kudos.
At the Manhattan protest today, the security let us up at 0900 hours, only to be told that we had to go back downstairs and wait until 0930 hours to be let into to the classrooms. Mind you DCAS is on the 17th floor and they are doing other testing. Once in, we did not get started until about 1000 hours. We asked about the end time, the DCAS monitor (who was pleasant and helpful, a nice change) said 1545 hours. What? A fuss was made, a supervisor was located and she came in to the room. Once informed of the late start time at about 1000 hours and the length of the original test, she changed the end time to 1645 hours. Some people stayed working past 1600 hours.
After examining the test more carefully today, many of us found holes. The in-basket was still a tsunami. I just don't understood what the purpose of designing the test in that manner. More than ever, I think the in-basket should be eliminated from the test or it should be no more than 10% of the exam. The examiners went out of there way to pack questions with multiple procedures that cross reference many topics. The in-basket should be a fair representation of what happens in real work, not the extreme like the "Kobayashi Maru". I mean really examiners, why?
I hope many important people in the Department read the threads on this site and won't let this happen again. Didn't Bratton say something to the effect of..."Cops matter". If he did, it has lost its luster.
-- Edited by sharpie973 on Thursday 14th of May 2015 10:41:10 PM
You're welcome. I've said it from the beginning, as bad as this test was I hope my protest contributes to helping push more than of few of you to at least the 70 mark if not greater. Best of luck brother.
It's not a defeatist attitude Chew. It's being realistic.
It seems like a few people are waving the rally towel talking about the 2011 Test.
2011 was test filled with judgement. Easier to argue.
This exam will have 1-2 throw outs tops. Hopefully I'm wrong but I doubt it
-- Edited by Su Madre 24 on Thursday 14th of May 2015 04:15:20 PM
Su Madre there will be more than 1-2 throwouts. This test was not that we'll written. From my experience at the protest and what I hear from friends that actually protested questions and people on here I guesstimate 6-8 throwouts and double answers. They NEED A decent sized list. The job will not accept a list of 200 for a Lt test. In the end you and everyone else in the high 60's will make it. Good luck.