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One porkchop · Veteran Member

NUMBER OF PASSERS

ondeeair2321 · Guru

same here. and it came from a very good source. praying not true

ondeeair2321 · Guru

worst part is is that dcas alerted the job and there are also talks of just having another exam at the end of 2016. I can't see this being true but the source I got it from is pretty legit. this job is really in a mess rite now, even my buddy who's always on the money is like anything could happen, the re engineering team is tearing this job apart.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I always felt like 250 and change would be the amount. This alleged amount of 128 is incredible.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Yeah, if true, this is insane. This would be less passers than the 2011 LT Test, and brings the job to the next level of ridiculousness.

On the other hand, however, it's good in a way. People who passed will get promoted quickly; and people who failed will get another shot very soon.

Edit: Also, this doesn't include the scammers who haven't even taken the test yet. Anyone know how many people that might be?

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Saturday 9th of May 2015 03:11:56 PM

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Majors,

I don't know how many scammers there are but I'm guessing a few hundred??

ondeeair2321 · Guru

there was more military guys this time then the 2011 and only a handful were deployed overseas. that's a fact. the others all had weekend orders and are stateside and at work. if the exam is next year I'm not taking it I simply can't. I'm just hoping that number goes up with whatever abracadabra crap they pull like in 2011. this new way of thinking is more exams and small lists and I think hats a horrible idea.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

yeah Iraq over and Afghanistan basically wound down, scammers. plain and simple. I call the two out in my cmd. sad thing is they laugh fact is they just beat the system, plain and simple.

SATCOM · Senior Member

Good for them. Screw the job. It sucks you in, chews you, digests you, and shyts you out in a dark desolate industrial area. I can not wait to start my life over as a retired Sergeant.

-- Edited by SATCOM on Saturday 9th of May 2015 03:31:44 PM

92Fot · Veteran Member

I'm either in the 128 or staying a Sgt. The Department can take $100 in 2016 from some other dumb schmuck. They can not expect us to dedicate 6+ months of our own time just to be blindsided. I am not even sure how the reengineering team can suggest an exam more frequently without simply saying we need higher passing scores to shorten the lists. Giving an exam where intelligent, hardcore studiers have to guess their way through it does not give you the cream of the crop. It just makes our promotional system a bigger joke.

bronxraider · Veteran Member

How can this be. What the ****. 128, really? Guess that means I def failed and that key we put together, in this instance, probably is way off. Not gamblors fault of course and I appreciate all his hard work but....this test really sucked ass. I hope Insano is proud of himself. he is so getting off on this. I hope we are able to discredit some of his questions during the protest just to make him look stupid....if that would be possible. I am afraid once I am there, I will see how I was tricked on every question. dammmmmmitt.

DETSGT · Guru

I can see only 128 passing as of now. However I cannot imagine that's what the job wants. The purpose of the re-engineering program was to better the job, including morale. Bratton is huge on morale. In the end I think they will throw out questions to form a list of 500-600. Their biggest mistake was choosing that dick to supervise the preparation of the exam.

sig226 · Senior Member

Re-engineering has nothing to do with test nor morale. They can care less how many people pass. Small list, no problem next text within a year, big list- here is another test in 2019

TransitSucks · Senior Member

I'm sure they will use the research questions to make the list bigger.

tweezy · Senior Member

this is the 2011 exam all over again..people thought the same thing and guess what they threw out all those questions... so u know what that means? EVERYONE NEEDS TO GET THEIR A$$ES TO THE PROTEST SESSION!!!

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

THIS IS THE SAME THREAD IN THE 2011 lt exam... " good source that only 100 person list etc.. 1st off remember that 200-400 people are still going to take this exam and we can EXPECT them all to pass since they know all the questions..... 600+ on this list is reasonable... Another lt exam in 3-4 years... Just as was done with the horrible 2011 exam... Stop the panic!... Fight at the protest!

sgt2be · Guru

Key is off??? R u retarded? 128 passing means key is on pt...I told you guys to stop looking at your potential score and to look at your number wrong. Under 30 under 30 under 30!!!! That's passing no matter what. I KNOW VERY Few ppl w under 30 wrong...in fact ppl I know are 30 to 38 wrong. these ppl were studiers too. So in fact the key may just be on point.

DETSGT · Guru

PROVE IT wrote:
THIS IS THE SAME THREAD IN THE 2011 lt exam... " good source that only 100 person list etc.. 1st off remember that 200-400 people are still going to take this exam and we can EXPECT them all to pass since they know all the questions..... 600+ on this list is reasonable... Another lt exam in 3-4 years... Just as was done with the horrible 2011 exam... Stop the panic!... Fight at the protest!

Agreed

TiNmAn · Senior Member

I don't think the key will be that far off. I don't know to many people where the key shows them well above passing and that is including the hardcore studiers. My command had about 5 hardcore studiers and all are on the border of passing and failing on the key. We won't know for sure till after the protest.

sig226 · Senior Member

2011 test was all about gaining points because the test consisted of 100 questions. This time is different. U may gain a point and may not. Just pray that whatever is answered incorrectly is research question

New2this · Senior Member

I love how everyone says. I have a source inside who confirmed 128 passed. Stop the BS speculation. On this job if it is not in writing it's not true or never happened. I am on the edge with a 71. When is the 1st protest session

New2this · Senior Member

If you compare this exam to the 2013 Sergeant exam which had 30 extra questions the gamblor key was on point. People even gained a point or two. I don't think this exam could be compared to the the 2011 LT EXAM based only upon the extra questions.

sig226 · Senior Member

It cant be compared to 2013 sgt test either. Sgt test was straightforward so the likelyhood of similar answer choices is high. How can i put: we all know there were some groundball questions in 2015 test. I am sure most of us got them right. Well, imagine 2013 sgt test pretty much consisted of groundball questions.
i said that before and i say it again- this is very unique test

CookieCutterSGT · Member

Get over yourself. All tests are unique.

What you guys fail to understand is that the initial number of 130 passing names is just that initial. Wait until they factor all the scammers who passed recently via the sabbath and military tests.

-- Edited by CookieCutterSGT on Saturday 9th of May 2015 05:05:34 PM

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

In conversation with some higher ranks and people who know a lot more than I do, it seems "the jobs" general feeling is less test the better. Having an exam takes work and money- Putting together a team, utilizing HS's, utilizing and paying proctors etc. I personally feel the research questions are simply used to manipulate the results for a desired amount of passing scores. Why would they have a list of 130 and go through all the hastle again for another exam so soon, it makes zero sense. They didn't do it in 2011 why do it now. The list will be expanded and anyone in the 60's is fair game to make the list.

CookieCutterSGT · Member

Why would they do this?
As you recal Bratton has been saying that he wants only the "CREAM OF THE CROP" to rise to the upper levels of supervision.
What better way to accomplish this mantra than to make these test insanely hard.

Samiam32 · Senior Member

Being a good test taker and being able to answer 100 questions has zero bearing on being the creme of the crop. Anyone who has seen some of the bosses out there knows this. Hopefully Bratton can figure that out too.

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

CookieCutterSGT wrote:
Why would they do this?
As you recal Bratton has been saying that he wants only the "CREAM OF THE CROP" to rise to the upper levels of supervision.
What better way to accomplish this mantra than to make these test insanely hard.

You may be correct. Again I'm stating my opinion I'm def not an "In the know" person. Bratton is also big on morale as well and the bad feelings towards yet another promotional exam I doubt he likes. Actually who am I kidding he probably doesn't give a sh*t!

sig226 · Senior Member

Dont give me this baloney about uniqueness of every test. Twice in 4 years we are dealing with complete an abortion of Lt.test. thats unique.
jobsajoke: its a drop in a bucket for the job to put an exam. The city wastes more financial resources per day during Eric Gardner protests than putting a promotional exam

DETSGT · Guru

JobsAJoke wrote:
In conversation with some higher ranks and people who know a lot more than I do, it seems "the jobs" general feeling is less test the better. Having an exam takes work and money- Putting together a team, utilizing HS's, utilizing and paying proctors etc. I personally feel the research questions are simply used to manipulate the results for a desired amount of passing scores. Why would they have a list of 130 and go through all the hastle again for another exam so soon, it makes zero sense. They didn't do it in 2011 why do it now. The list will be expanded and anyonye in the 60's is fair game to make the list.

Agreed

FranknBeans · Senior Member

sig226 wrote:
Dont give me this baloney about uniqueness of every test. Twice in 4 years we are dealing with complete an abortion of Lt.test. thats unique.
jobsajoke: its a drop in a bucket for the job to put an exam. The city wastes more financial resources per day during Eric Gardner protests than putting a promotional exam

Id venture to say the city doesn't spend much if anything on a promotional test.

My rationale- They "announce" a test and say oh lets write a test. Gather the smartest lieutenants. And they need a boss get a captain. OK done where did the city spend the money? Those were LT's and a captain they were already paying for. Now these guys are just doing something else.

So they write questions and stuff... is the city using some special kind of paper? New scantron sheets? No its the same paper they have stored away and the same scantrons they used back when I took the entrance exam. Maybe you pay for the DCAS workers to work an overtime tour on a Saturday. But thats about it.

Junius78 · Veteran Member

Well if its an amount of 130 then safe to say research questions were all the easiest questions on there including the rewrite questions

Jabronijoe29 · Veteran Member

Have to hope operations orders are research lol

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

Hey maybe I'm totally wrong but that was part of the general argument that the job doesn't want to have to give an exam every 8-12 months. But then again, maybe this is just the way it's going to be from now on?

On another note, How legit is this source that only 128 passed? In the other forum someone said it was direct from the CO of OMAP? If that's the case why would someone put their source out in a forum? I don't get it.

- CookieCutter said it in the other forum. I mean the CO gave out this info for public knowledge? I'm just curious is all not doubting you.

-- Edited by JobsAJoke on Saturday 9th of May 2015 10:56:46 PM

bigfoot45 · Guru

Is it really 128? What a joke! I guess there will be one or two happy people at each protest.

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

bigfoot45 wrote:
Is it really 128? What a joke! I guess there will be one or two happy people at each protest.

I'm still banking on a list of at least 500. I'll meet you at the closest pub for 1 or 15 if it doesn't happen.

bigfoot45 · Guru

I'm down... lots of places in downtown brooklyn on the 14th.

fodx · Guru

JobsAJoke wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
Is it really 128? What a joke! I guess there will be one or two happy people at each protest.
I'm still banking on a list of at least 500. I'll meet you at the closest pub for 1 or 15 if it doesn't happen.

There is absolutely now way 500 people passed this stupidity they call an exam. For there to be a list of 500 they're gonna have to give us a load of points back either in throw outs or some sort of curve. 130 is exactly what I would expect to have passed and I hope its true so changes can be made and the job can open their eyes to exsctly what a clusterFvck of an exam this was.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

If only 130 did pass then how could this key be right ... Then aren't we all wrong with these answers ..time will tell stay safe

sgt2be · Guru

i dont get where you guys think this key is off?? bc ppl got 71's mostly?? 71 means you have about 34 wrong. I would not be comfortable with 34 wrong. I know very few ppl with less than 30 wrong on this key. I think this key will be semi accurate...the bad news tho..those with low 70's bc you have 34 wrong means that not many of you will pass.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Sadly, many of us are 68 and 69 candidates, including me.

sgt2be · Guru

im not going to lie...im heavily invested in the key bc it gives me an 80 with 25 wrong. But heres the problem....i can back the key up with the fact if 130 passed, then most guys with 68/69/70/71 will not be passing before throwouts. This supports the key being right bc most guys on here are on these low numbers. Getting a 71 is by no means a good thing, still means that you still need help with getting some research questions in your favor. Heres another reason...i know alot of guys who do and did verry very well on past tests. Know most on top 10 in 2011 test. Now, does this mean that what they got means that they all passed? ofcourse not, but when i look at their grades...they are all in the 20 to 25 wrong range! that shows alot of evidence to bear this key is in the range. Now, there will be guys that will fight me on this. I understand bc you have a right to believe that you studied hard and this key gives you a failing grade. Unfortunately you passing may mean me failing so ofcourse ill defend the key. But i am backed by certain facts and those facts are hard to ignore.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

oh ok u got 25 wrong so u are a genius. stop idiot it comes down to the research questions plain and simple. if I have 35 wrong and 20 of then are throw outs and u have 25 wrong all research right then............. see what I mean. shut it. I believe I totally failed from what I'm hearing and we ll see if the job lets a reject capt dictate their promotions. but u and ur crystal ball means zilch. sgt2be is another sh** stirrer.

sgt2be · Guru

whatever floats you boat big guy....and yes i guess im a **** stirrer since ive been on here trying to help those correct the key to help those get a more accurate grade. Yes and me defending a key...a key you failed with facts...real **** stirrer. Some guys will never get it, some guys will sit there and blame others.

"worst part is is that dcas alerted the job and there are also talks of just having another exam at the end of 2016. I can't see this being true but the source I got it from is pretty legit. this job is really in a mess rite now, even my buddy who's always on the money is like anything could happen, the re engineering team is tearing this job apart. " hmmm sounds like a crystal ball...

"word from the puzzle palace is the Lt promtions will remain steady all year and they plan on finishing this list. they are going to be preparing for a Lt exam in the spring of 2014. hope this helps u guys waiting"

"Ok--so yes u heard it here. Few months they will begin a panel of LT s for the LT exam in spring 2014. FACT. Not rumor now--they re gona be gearing up." ....."yes----the Lt exam will happen next spring. dont know exact date---but this is NOT changing and more & more about it is coming down from the big dogs. they r going to continue to promote this Lt list steady b/c of mass retirements. hurricane sandy OT is proving to have tipped the now Lt s more and more out the door. its fact--OMAP is calling for more Lt s. personnel is getting the word and the PC s office is calling for an exam. enjoy the summer im sure fall will be study time."

HEY GUYS....if your wondering...those are the quotes from ondeair....hows that crystal ball d!ck???????

-- Edited by sgt2be on Sunday 10th of May 2015 01:00:09 AM

ondeeair2321 · Guru

way too much research on that sgt2be. get a life. I get info and relay it I don't say I have a crystal ball. and u will prob be a Lt but the fact of the matter is u will always have a small penis.

sgt2be · Guru

yes the internet....amazing how you just can search things. I dont need to post info that i hear without doing some research or backed by facts. I can see your maturity by your comments. So if you fail, i have to tell you that it wont be such a bad thing. BTW, just because i dont agree with certain things, doesnt mean i go attack them on here. Grow up dude.

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

I'm at 38 wrong on the key w/ a projected score of 68. Sadly I'll be just short most likely but I figured the same when I did the math in my car right after the exam... It's a sh*tty feeling no doubt, I did well on my Sgt exam and studied harder for this one as many did. But we'll see what happens next week. I knew a Lt who had a 68 raw score on the 2011 and ended up in the top 50 w/ the throw outs and additional points for JST / Medals etc.

And you guys gotta calm down!!! Take the anger out on Insano!!'

Jabronijoe29 · Veteran Member

Im sure by tuesday afternoon we all find out where we stand from the people who attend the protest.

sgt2be · Guru

so many differences between 2011 test and 2015. 2011 was unfair...2015 was just plain difficult. Idk how many throwouts/doubles we are going to find. Seems this guy made it so there would be no throwouts.

JobsAJoke · Senior Member

I keep hearing the Ops Orders weren't on the NOE and that they'll be chucked -I just don't see it. I mean obviously I hope they are that gives my projected 68 a shot to make the bottom to middle of this list. But in reality Insano got us good- I mean that exam was just tough. We'll see this week.