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andrew3929 · Veteran Member

PROTEST SESSION

Slowtime · Veteran Member

Got the same letter and time.

DRPapi1983 · Guru

Same here,....Tuesday is D Day!!!!

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I gotta go to get the mail and check

UC5673 · Veteran Member

Got mine. Its for the 14th @ Joralemon St. 3rd Floor.... Where the hell is that?

tweezy · Senior Member

mines for the 14th too in brooklyn

Bloggingrookie · Member

Joralemon is Brooklyn Court, by Shake Shack. I got 14th in Manhattan. We'll know our scores before some ppl even take the test

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

14th at Lafayette St in Manhattan. 9am.

UC5673 · Veteran Member

Thanks!

Windeast · Senior Member

May 12 in Manhattan for me.

jfedster · Veteran Member

Mine came...14th on Lafayette Street. 9 AM

Flexatron13 · Member

Mine Is the 14th as well.. Joralemon St in BK.. I think it's kinda stupid that some people will know before others. What was wrong with posting the answer key? Even if you go to the protest session different days at least everyone would have the "proposed answers" the same day.

70please · Senior Member

Any Staten Island guys get theirs yet ? Date and location ?

bronxraider · Veteran Member

I got mine, says 5/14 in brooklyn....so far away. I wonder if they give you the most inconvenient location on purpose. Any way. It says that there is no talking allowed....I thought we were allowed to discuss with others? I do not have materials. I have the elite guide but it isn't fully updated to 1/18 as I used the one on the computer. Guess I will have to do that now. I thought I never had to look at that crap again! DAMMMMITTT

Samiam32 · Senior Member

Sooo any conspiracy theories as to why protest session is so soon?

machine · Senior Member

If they're ready for the protest, the question is how many actually passed.... any other but DetSwayze cares to investigate?

Gthr · Veteran Member

I just got mine and it's for the 14th...I'm going to Mexico the 13th for my cousin's wedding...of f**king course....

92Fot · Veteran Member

The letter states there is no talking among the candidates during the protest, is that the norm at these sessions?

Lu515 · Senior Member

Someone will snap a picture.

fodx · Guru

Wed May 13 here. Had no idea the protest session slammed over numerous days. Guys, protest your a$$es off.

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

Gthr wrote:
I just got mine and it's for the 14th...I'm going to Mexico the 13th for my cousin's wedding...of f**king course....

Ouch. Maybe you can call them and see if they let you go on the 12th? Good luck

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Just got mine, Wednesday in Brooklyn.

UC5673 · Veteran Member

So is it safe to say, after we go to the protest, we'll know whether or not we passed? What is passing: 70?

bngeek · Senior Member

Looks like DCAS is F-ing around again if what people say above is true.... No talking? Are you kidding me?

>=O

The 2013 Sgt's exam, you could talk freely amongst yourselves. There were no assigned seats. The way I described it in another post is exactly how it went down.

And there was only ONE DAY to protest and I believe it was a SATURDAY.

This is unbelievable. By having it on multiple days and not allowing people to talk, they are employing DIVIDE AND CONQUER tactics...

Un-freaking-believable.

FranknBeans · Senior Member

Of course the day I get is the day I have to do a 12 hour tour starting at 3am for patrol coverage in regards to that 20k blue courage crap!!!!

This has to be a cruel joke.

bngeek · Senior Member

I'm pretty sure you're entitled to go to the protest session because it is civil service exam related...

wisecop · Senior Member

bngeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're entitled to go to the protest session because it is civil service exam related...

It's funny how people use the phrase "I'm pretty sure" in just about any situation, but I'm "pretty sure" that the above is false.

FranknBeans · Senior Member

bngeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're entitled to go to the protest session because it is civil service exam related...

Did you read the part of the letter where it says it won't be rescheduled for ANY REASON in BOLD print???

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

Do we have to get there on time?

bngeek · Senior Member

FranknBeans wrote:
bngeek wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're entitled to go to the protest session because it is civil service exam related...

Did you read the part of the letter where it says it won't be rescheduled for ANY REASON in BOLD print???

Yes, I did. Did you read the part where I said you're entitled to GO, not entitled to reschedule?

Speak to your delegate...

-- Edited by bngeek on Thursday 7th of May 2015 07:01:23 PM

bngeek · Senior Member

Sonofa....

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/psb/440_6.PDF
"PSB - Participation in Exams or Interviews

440-6

Subject: Excused Time for Participation in Examinations, Appointment Interviews or Investigation Interviews Regarding Appointment from Eligible Lists

Supersedes: Personnel Policy and Procedure No. 657-86

Source: The "Leave Regulations for Employees Who are Under the Career and Salary Plan," Section 4.0 e. and the "Leave Regulations for Management Employees," Section 8.0 e.

Date: March 21, 1997

I. Policy

A. Excused Time with No Charge to Leave Balances

At the discretion of the agency head, permanent, provisional or temporary full- time employees, who submit documentation satisfactory to the agency head, may participate in the following without charge to their leave balances:

1. New York City civil service promotion and open competitive examinations;

2. Examinations for licenses which are required for the performance of the employee's duties or for eligibility to take a promotion examination;

3. Official investigation or appointment interviews regarding appointment from eligible lists resulting from these examinations;

4. Teacher examinations, or official investigation and appointment interviews given by the New York City Board of Education.

B. Excused Time Charged to Leave Balances

When the agency head determines that the operations of the agency and its services to the public will not be adversely affected, employees may be allowed to charge their annual leave or compensatory time balances to participate in the following:

1. Test preparation courses held during work hours;

2. Sessions held for the purpose of reviewing, protesting or appealing answers to New York City civil service examination questions.

II. Procedure

A. Employees wishing excused time to participate in the activities listed in "A" above, must submit a written request to the agency head or designee prior to the examination or interview. This request must include the date and time of the examination or interview.

B. In order to be excused without charge for participation in these activities, employees must submit written verification of their participation. This verification must be satisfactory to the agency head."

I bet if denied a lawsuit could be won, but that's a steep uphill battle. I mean, according to this, you can be denied for the test itself even... It probably doesn't happen because of some lawsuit on the past but who knows...

-- Edited by bngeek on Thursday 7th of May 2015 07:42:20 PM

-- Edited by bngeek on Thursday 7th of May 2015 07:42:46 PM

IShredMajors · Senior Member

So you're saying I can't go the protest session on job time. Damn, that was my plan too!

FranknBeans · Senior Member

I still don't understand why i can't go to the ones on the 12th or 13th. Its earlier. I could see if I was assigned the 12th and wanted to go the 14th.

Guess some other sergeant is now gonna be screwed with a 3am-3pm.

bngeek · Senior Member

IShredMajors wrote:
So you're saying I can't go the protest session on job time. Damn, that was my plan too!

I know you're being sarcastic, but no, what I thought may have been the case at least is that they couldn't deny your 28... But apparently they can....

IShredMajors · Senior Member

I actually wasn't being sarcastic. I thought the protest session was lumped in with the test, IE something you can do on job time. You posted that the test can be done with no charge to leave balances. I was honestly going to Post Change myself and go to the protest. Now I guess I have to change my tour or burn a day. Trying to save them on the off shot that I pass, LT's don't get any chart days!

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Thursday 7th of May 2015 09:46:13 PM

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Also, even if they technically can, I don't think they would deny your 28 for the protest. It sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

bngeek · Senior Member

Protests actually fall under section B in what I posted that actually says charged to your leave balance, so yes, you're supposed to burn a day if they don't deny your 28.

In either case though (test or protest) this basically says they could deny you.... I've never heard of anyone being denied for the exam itself. Only the protest....why is that? Probably no one had sued yet for being denied their 28 to go to protest.

MasudRana · Member

I don't think you will be allowed to take Elite's material in the protest.

tensixone · Senior Member

You can

bigfoot45 · Guru

I wouldn't be surprised if they did this on purpose. After the first protest the answers are going to spread like wildfire. Most likely, the others that passed won't attend and those that failed by more than a couple of points won't attend either. It will give DCAS a lot less work.... But on the other hand, why not just release the answers publicly before a protest.

Sarge · Senior Member

did anyone else not receive their letter yet?

On Point Info · Senior Member

For those attending the protest;

Pay close attention and dissect the questions that had multiple procedures and/or guides; there were 21 of them. These questions have the best odds of a possible conflict with the other procedures which may result in a double/triple, etc. answer.

Best of Luck!!

LTExamVeteran · Member

I didn't get mine yet either.

New2this · Senior Member

5/14 in Brooklyn. I live upstate. What a joke.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

That's just so wrong ! Never will i take a test again

NYPDee · Newbie

didn't get mine in the mail but i called DCAS this morning and they actually returned my call. They had my date in the computer. 5/12 in manhattan

UC5673 · Veteran Member

Good for you..... Are you going... thats the question...

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

I have my protest session may 12 in brooklyn.. But other people are getting it at different locations and different days... I wonder if they are doing this so we can't unite with more people and discuss together.... Plus I believe the protest session is a protest in its self Bc they said the date you get is the date you must go" no exceptions will be made".. Now it's up to the needs of the dept if I get my 28 approved .. What a ****ing joke... They make it impossible for us to help ourselves... But it's super easy for a female in the FDNY to graduate while failing PE TEST... **** this city

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Just a tax #

Lu515 · Senior Member

Was the make up exam given yet?