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RE: How many will make this list?


It's definitely believable that as of now there are 22 names on the passing list. The cheaters who took it later or will take it 5 months from now will add another 20 names, throw in a couple of throw outs and you are easily at 60+. That's all the job needs apparently.


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The top 2 names on the 2011 list were added 5 months after the exam. I'm sure they'll be at the top of this list a month after the list is released. A lot of people conveniently become hardcore religious fanatics when a test comes around. If I don't pass this test...for the next one I'll be a 7th Day Adventist or I'll be spinning a dradle on the date of the exam.

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I agree Stigs. What a scam that one was. The hard and dedicated studier is basically a sucker.

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They are going to be giving this exam at the walk in testing center eventually

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Why is everyone crying about this exam ?
NEWSFLASH
The exam is not supposed to be easy. They want you to earn it and if you suck at test taking then thats on you. This exam was exactly what a captains exam should be. Down the middle but very difficult questions that only a hard core studier would be able to answer.
An acquaintance of mine didn't do well but blamed himself for it and no one or anything else. A real cop who takes responsibility for his own actions.

As far make up exam people; What a cowardly complete joke these people are. (With exception to the military guys who are presently over sees) NOT the weekend warriors who conveniently schedule there drill on the weekend of the exam.


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Why is everyone crying about this exam ?
NEWSFLASH
The exam is not supposed to be easy. They want you to earn it and if you suck at test taking then thats on you. This exam was exactly what a captains exam should be. Down the middle but very difficult questions that only a hard core studier would be able to answer.
An acquaintance of mine didn't do well but blamed himself for it and no one or anything else. A real cop who takes responsibility for his own actions.

As far make up exam people; What a cowardly complete joke these people are. (With exception to the military guys who are presently over sees) NOT the weekend warriors who conveniently schedule there drill on the weekend of the exam.


 Nobody said a test has to be easy but when only 25(if that number is true) pass the test out of 387 test takers, that is more than  a difficult test.   "Down the middle but very difficult" does not equal 25 passers.  



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    How do you defend this abortion of an exam? You have to be one of the authors..... Some of the 380 something people who sat for this exam work in actual precincts, go in the street and have actual responsibility to a command. Not everyone sits in an obscure office in lower manhattan with fifty hours a week to sit and memorize inconsequential and irrealevant procedure. Whether or not (not is likely) I am one of the 22 who passed, it was deplorable to create an exam that has little relevance to the position and is focused more on fooling dedicated studiers than testing content and attributes conducive to being an executive. I agree an exam should be challenging, but not impossible. Why should 300+ people study if the difference between blindly guessing a 50 and studying six months is a  60? If I am lucky enough to make it on the list, or miraculously in the top 15% as i did on 08 sgt test and 11 lt test,, I am sure I will once again be in a bmoc with a majority administrative "supervisors" who last saw the street in FTU. The job has been embarrassed by the results of the last two captains exams, and this is par for the course. I challenge you to PM me a solitary question from this exam with the slightest bit of relevance. I could easily write an exam thats impossible to pass, but that is not the point of an exam.



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This Gunz character seems pretty confident he's one of the few that passed. Don't count your chickens Gunz.

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stiggityone wrote:

This Gunz character seems pretty confident he's one of the few that passed. Don't count your chickens Gunz.



 This one post wonder definately sounds more like one of the test writers!



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gunzisback wrote:

Why is everyone crying about this exam ?
NEWSFLASH
The exam is not supposed to be easy. They want you to earn it and if you suck at test taking then thats on you. This exam was exactly what a captains exam should be. Down the middle but very difficult questions that only a hard core studier would be able to answer.
An acquaintance of mine didn't do well but blamed himself for it and no one or anything else. A real cop who takes responsibility for his own actions.

As far make up exam people; What a cowardly complete joke these people are. (With exception to the military guys who are presently over sees) NOT the weekend warriors who conveniently schedule there drill on the weekend of the exam.


 

 

I know I am beating a dead horse here; but you are totally off base. If the 22 passing is right, that is a pass rate of roughly 6%. This test was not down the middle. I said it before, and I'll say it again, switching actors three times to get three wrong answers is lazy test writing, and just playing on someone's ability to do rote memorization. Nothing about grasping the material. Nothing about using any judgment. Nothing about your ability to be a Captain in the largest police department in the world. Listen, according to the spreadsheet I'm sitting at a 74. Maybe I passed, maybe I didn't. But that doesn't change my opinion that this test was not down the middle and by far not fair. Don't ask obscure procedures. Don't ask obscure points from those procedures.

Every academic, police and military test I have taken, not to stroke my own ego (anyone who knows me - and I don't hide behind a screen name, doesn't take a genius to figure out who I am), I was near the top. I don't have a sense of entitlement, but, instead, I work and study hard. That's what should be needed to pass a test. Not luck that you happened to remember the distribution of forms (which by the way, I got correct). Just as a point of comparison the NYS Bar Exam pass rate for 2012 was 74% (http://www.nybarexam.org/ExamStats/Estats.htm). The American Board of Internal Medicine, although doesn't list an overall pass rate for their medical boards, a quick glance looks like they have a pass rate of at least 70% (http://www.abim.org/pdf/pass-rates/residency-program-pass-rates.pdf). Imagine how many doctors and lawyers short we would be (although some may argue that it isnt a bad thing) if the Bar Exam and medical boards were written like and had the pass rate of an NYPD promotional exam.

The job seems to like the idea that a pass rate on an exam is in the single digits. What is the point of this? I can tell you I will NEVER study for another NYPD promotional exam again. Not worth my time. If I passed this one great. If not, oh well. No reason to give 7 months of my life up, missing retirement parties, weddings, etc. because of the job that doesn't care. A promotional exam is not a game of who can have the lowest pass rate. Tests are made to be passed if you do the formula (study + work hard + decent head = pass). I gave it my all, and without patting my back, have a decent head my shoulders as do many people I know that are in the same predicament. So stop with your self riotous "I'm Happy".

 

 



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^that lengthy, detailed response is easily recognizable! Lol

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Ever since the last exam, I have always thought about filing a freedom of information act request with DCAS for a copy of the 11 Lt list and the date everyone took the exam and the reason why they didn't take it on the original date. What really irks me
Is that there will be people who pulled the same scam on this test and that test. I'm seriously considering doing it.

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^that lengthy, detailed response is easily recognizable! Lol


 Well I would hope my username was a dead giveaway too!



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Wow...somebody's cranky. Relax sweetheart.

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stiggityone wrote:

Wow...somebody's cranky. Relax sweetheart.


 I guess you didn't detect the sarcasm in my post....my username is identifiable is to my real life identity. Original, I know.

 



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I thought you were a buddy of mine. Sorry...disregard.

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"Gunz" is smart enough to pass this test but not smart enough to hide his real name and DOB from his profile...

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Ari and Stiggity, I am sure you two did fine but to argue about whether this exam had any actual or relevant duties of a NYC Captain of Police is now a moot point.  I am 100% certain I failed but that is also irrelevant.  What is important is to make articulate and reasonable protests.  Stiggity is 100% correct when he says there is no "they" in deciding list sizes.  It might come to a shock to the conspiracy theorists out there but "they" don't have a say in the difficulty of an exam or what gets thrown out.  The four captains that were temporarily assigned to Personnel for six months determined the difficulty of our exam.  Now, as far as protests are concerned, if you make a valid point on why a question/answer was factually incorrect and the two captains and DCAS rep feel that your argument is valid...well, now you get the point you were fighting for.  If they're not convinced then you're S.O.L. 

I hate to say this but I don't know if there are that many protest-able questions.  Will I fight and argue? Yes.  Will I win? Hopefully but probably not.

 

 



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Ari and Stiggity, I am sure you two did fine but to argue about whether this exam had any actual or relevant duties of a NYC Captain of Police is now a moot point.  I am 100% certain I failed but that is also irrelevant.  What is important is to make articulate and reasonable protests.  Stiggity is 100% correct when he says there is no "they" in deciding list sizes.  It might come to a shock to the conspiracy theorists out there but "they" don't have a say in the difficulty of an exam or what gets thrown out.  The four captains that were temporarily assigned to Personnel for six months determined the difficulty of our exam.  Now, as far as protests are concerned, if you make a valid point on why a question/answer was factually incorrect and the two captains and DCAS rep feel that your argument is valid...well, now you get the point you were fighting for.  If they're not convinced then you're S.O.L. 

I hate to say this but I don't know if there are that many protest-able questions.  Will I fight and argue? Yes.  Will I win? Hopefully but probably not.

 You're 100% right it is a waste of time now. It just irks me when people come on here talking about how fair the test was.

We would be better off spending our time discussing protestable questions. I can think of a few, but who knows. We probably should brain storm.

 

 

 


 



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Ari, check your inbox.



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Wow....somebody changed their profile rather quickly.  No worries, bro....I am confident you'll be in the Top 3 but why $hit on the rest of us? 



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On all of these previous difficult exams (except with the exception of the 2010 Capt test) usually what people say is something to the effect of "It was a very difficult test but if you studied you would have passed"  so far I have not heard one person say this about this test.



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On all of these previous difficult exams (except with the exception of the 2010 Capt test) usually what people say is something to the effect of "It was a very difficult test but if you studied you would have passed"  so far I have not heard one person say this about this test.


 Good point. I consider myself somewhat of an intelligent person and I feel that I adequately prepared for this test, as I did for my Sgt and Lt tests. I was at the top of both of those lists....I would be amazed if I passed this one. The old formula of 6 months of sacrifice + dedication+ some common sense = passing is out the window. If 22 people passed that's about two to every classroom. I looked around my classroom and saw several sharp guys and girls that studied hard and would make excellent captains. To think that almost all of them failed (as well as myself) is sad.



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Arimass......I agree we all need to brain storm, get organized, collaborate and crush the protest. Whats done is done and even if all 387 of us concur that the test was unfair, absurd and poorly written it won't mean anything. The captains that wrote the test obviously chose their questions to be confusing, irrealevant, inconsequential and obscure for a reason. We all know the reason, and that reason is also irrealevant. Gunz must be one of the authors and made that post in a last ditch attempt to justify whatever useless position he or she occupies on this job. Gunz is to be ignored and we instead focus on the flaws worth protesting

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Gunz didn't write the exam and he's always worked in busy precincts.

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Assuming youre right stiggity, gunz will still be ignored

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LoL Stiggity...

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Don't listen to stingy one he has been an iab rat his whole career.  I he used to teach rat school and talks about making cops cry in go15s. He was a tool bad rat Sgt who was in inspections in queens. He did 1 week on the street as a LT then went back to the rats.



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Don't listen to stingy one he has been an iab rat his whole career.  I he used to teach rat school and talks about making cops cry in go15s. He was a tool bad rat Sgt who was in inspections in queens. He did 1 week on the street as a LT then went back to the rats.


 No I don't think Stiggityone is Benedict V. Stiggityone seems normal. Benedict V is one of the biggest puzzy jrekoff midget clothes not fitting pieces of shyt I've encountered on this job.



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Lmfao...this same tool said I was some guy named Vitale a year and a half ago. I've never worked in Inspections or IAB as countless people who know me in this forum can attest to.

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I really don't think the job cares about a fair exam or not. Simply put, it seems like almost every exam its the same thing. 2007 Sgt test, 2010 Capt test, 2011 Lt test, 2013 Sgt test...etc. All they care about is making money. Bottom line, people WILL pass, and if it is a low number list, they will schedule another exam in 2014, and probably the same number of people will take it. It does suck that we all invested hundreds of hours, and sacrificed our personal lives, family, work, etc, but they don't care. They will argue that all the answers were right there in the PG, AG and that its our responsibility to know everything. Its a lowblow, but to be honest I am over stressing about this exam. Whatever happens, happens.

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Those tests don't generate a profit for the city. To give a Lieutenant the day off costs more than the admission fee. Add to that the cost of paying loser Captains to write it and losers from dcas to administer it, the city takes a net loss.

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Sorry people. But I'm very happy this test was this hard. I'm tired of losers moving up the ranks by just getting by on these tests. Those who did well on sgt and Lt tests I hope u passed. But u losers who barely passed the sgt test and Lt test have no business even thinking of being a Captain.


 Your saying that 85% of the people that passed the 2011 Lt test are losers? 



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Sorry people. But I'm very happy this test was this hard. I'm tired of losers moving up the ranks by just getting by on these tests. Those who did well on sgt and Lt tests I hope u passed. But u losers who barely passed the sgt test and Lt test have no business even thinking of being a Captain.


 Your saying that 85% of the people that passed the 2011 Lt test are losers? 


 Stanza, this type of attitude is indicative of what you'll find at the executive level.  Almost every executive (captain and above), that I have ever dealt with and continue to deal with, thinks that passing three civil service exams is equivalent with finding cures for terminal diseases or provides them the ability to turn water into wine.  Ego and arrogance will always run rampant throughout the Department but once you eliminate the ability to take another exam for promotion, all the back stabbing and throating cutting begins. 

Don't get flustered by the "you don't have what it takes to be a captain" comments or that some are rejoicing in the fact that this will be another small list, it's just par for the course. 



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This board is deader than an old man's dik. Anybody got news? Hey brat-ta-tat-tat...you get any confirmation about the number of people that passed?

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I think that by now some info had to be leaked out. Especially if under 10% passed it w a raw score. I doubt we'll see a protest before Christmas but I am hoping so.

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Isnt protest session supposed to be 4 weeks from date of test?

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Isnt protest session supposed to be 4 weeks from date of test?


 Yes, I'm guessing either the 21st or 28th of this month.



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Cops waited 6 weeks

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They may have waited longer because of the large number of people signed up for protest. We may not have those same issues. Time will tell

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Cops waited 6 weeks


 They were scheduled for November 23rd but that was the date of our test thus the delay.



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This board is deader than an old man's dik. Anybody got news? Hey brat-ta-tat-tat...you get any confirmation about the number of people that passed?


 Yeah Brat, where you at? Hopefully you can shed some light on this.



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they made brat go to training - will look into things tomorrow - nice to be missed

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22 from 11/23...3 added from the Sabbath...sitting at 25

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I dont even feel like gng to the protest session with those odds! lol This is completely nuts

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I got same information as stiggity 25 passed. No chance in hell its gonna stay at 25. Between that finest message that came down today and all other indicators say they're gonna need to have this list 80-100 names. Even more reason to crush the protest.

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What finest message?

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Finest message requesting every umos in rank of inspector and above to submit resume to PC transition team. Sounds like a lot of movement coming

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22 from 11/23...3 added from the Sabbath...sitting at 25


 

Any idea how many sat for the Sabbath test? To get the same 6% pass rate as our regular administration, you would need about sixty. Something tells me there wasn't sixty.



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The sabbath usually a 90% pass rate lol

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