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Jdawg · Veteran Member

BRILLIANT MOVE BY DCAS AND 1PP!!!

yougonow · Guru

Um.. How do these 30 make the cheaters stop?

A very simple solution as someone has posted, make everyone take it on a Sunday or Monday. Or.. Shake up the whole exam with the order of the questions.

Why did they not try this experiment with the Lt or Captain exam, which are much smaller candidate pools to EXPERIMENT with.

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:07:31 AM

Arrow · Senior Member

Cuz they know the PBA is useless and and they can screwed cops over just like with have been working w/o a contract

-- Edited by Arrow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:17:43 AM

yougonow · Guru

So... What other solution do you have other than extending the time or changing the day?

Who says the sgt exam has to be administered during school session?

Why do you have to be dooshy? No reason for it. I guess suggestions make bad sergeants? Um.. Ok.

Sunday is church day? Ok. I never got out of a Sunday detail because of "church day".

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:22:38 AM

SISGT · Veteran Member

noworries in response to your childish remark

i am guessing you are a child of the 25k class and everything should be handed to you.

if you can't handle the pressure of a simple multiple choice exam you don't deserve the stripes.

before i became a supervisor i studied 12 hrs a day for 5 month and passed both the sgt and the lt exam so........ i understand the pressures of studying for and taking the exam as well as being a supervisor on this job. you on the other hand dont seem to understand either.

please refrain from name calling it just shows how immature you are.

-- Edited by SISGT on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 01:26:06 AM

SISGT · Veteran Member

simple

follow the logic

under the old system there were 100 questions all of which counted, normally there would be a discussion because our retards can not keep their mouths shut and thus a person taking the exam after everyone else would have the unfair advantage or knowing the exact 25-40 questions ...and probably would be able to figure out the rest. and it doesn't matter which questions cause every question counts.

now when you have 130 but only 100 count the 25-40 questions the person was able to fish out and research might not even be the questions that get scored thus leveling the playing field for those who take the exam on the original date.

-- Edited by SISGT on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 01:39:01 AM

SISGT · Veteran Member

I think this is perfect solution to an age old problem cheating!

Everyone always complains about how unfair it is that 10 sabbath observer guys and x amount of military guys cheat the system by taking the exam after everyone else (and usually do very well especially the military guys). These extra 30 questions that don't count for anything and were not marked on the exam as such level the playing field and throw a monkey wrench into the potential cheaters plans.

BRAVO DCAS and 1PP well played well played

SISGT · Veteran Member

after years of crying and complaining DCAS has heard your cries

queensfinest · Senior Member

i agree

Arrow · Senior Member

Totally agree with u since I didn't get to finished. So we paid the price for them

SISGT · Veteran Member

yes more time should have been allotted ... but or some people even 10 hrs wouldn't be enough. lets face it after 5 hrs in that time chair i am ready to climb a wall.

wisecop · Senior Member

6 hours it's more than enough time, everyone was at the same disadvantage there will be those individuals who embraced the challenge and those who crumbled under the pressure it happens every test. Ultimately, someone always pass these test.

seamus · Senior Member

wisecop wrote:
6 hours it's more than enough time, everyone was at the same disadvantage there will be those individuals who embraced the challenge and those who crumbled under the pressure it happens every test. Ultimately, someone always pass these test.

so, by your reasoning 4 hours is enough for a regular 100 question test

Nay · Veteran Member

doesn't matter they add 30 questions or not whoever taking later have more advantage anyway. just adding this 30 question only make more people to fail so they can make more $$ on next exam. you wear their hat u can be sgt sooner than the one that doesn't. this is reality and face it.=/

Arrow · Senior Member

Not everyone is smart as you wisecop. Some people slow test takers. when I reached question 100 I only had 20 mins left. So now you tell me was it fair to add an aditional 30 questions and not at least have and extra hr? and how come we don't know what counts? I answered the first 100 as if those were the ones that count. I invested time and 7 months of my life when at the time my daughter was 1 months old. This is an integrity issue how come we couldn't know which one didn't count? I came up short 18 questions that I my need to pass if those last 18 counted. how come in the original NOE it was 100 questions and 6Hrs. And when it got amended they didn't mentioned how many questions they were going to include and the time that was alloted? Something needs to be done about It. If not who knows whats going to happen on the 2015 test.

32forLife · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
Um.. How do these 30 make the cheaters stop?

A very simple solution as someone has posted, make everyone take it on a Sunday or Monday. Or.. Shake up the whole exam with the order of the questions.
Why did they not try this experiment with the Lt or Captain exam, which are much smaller candidate pools to EXPERIMENT with.

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:07:31 AM

sunday is church day and Monday is a school day...maybe you shouldn't be a sergeant to begin with

wisecop · Senior Member

Arrow wrote:
Not everyone is smart as you wisecop. Some people slow test takers. when I reached question 100 I only had 20 mins left. So now you tell me was it fair to add an aditional 30 questions and not at least have and extra hr? and how come we don't know what counts? I answered the first 100 as if those were the ones that count. I invested time and 7 months of my life when at the time my daughter was 1 months old. This is an integrity issue how come we couldn't know which one didn't count? I came up short 18 questions that I my need to pass if those last 18 counted. how come in the original NOE it was 100 questions and 6Hrs. And when it got amended they didn't mentioned how many questions they were going to include and the time that was alloted? Something needs to be done about It. If not who knows whats going to happen on the 2015 test.

I'm not saying it was right, but everyone had the same 130 questions. They only give these test once in a while and you have to study for 6 months. There will be people who pass and people who fail. The same thing happened in the LT test, while a bunch of guys were wasting time concerned about the changes the people who really wanted it didn't try to make sense of it. The fact of the matter is that the city faces litigations every test. They are not going to add 30 questions without ensuring they legally can. All you can hope is that you hit 70.

Arrow · Senior Member

wisecop wrote:
Arrow wrote:
Not everyone is smart as you wisecop. Some people slow test takers. when I reached question 100 I only had 20 mins left. So now you tell me was it fair to add an aditional 30 questions and not at least have and extra hr? and how come we don't know what counts? I answered the first 100 as if those were the ones that count. I invested time and 7 months of my life when at the time my daughter was 1 months old. This is an integrity issue how come we couldn't know which one didn't count? I came up short 18 questions that I my need to pass if those last 18 counted. how come in the original NOE it was 100 questions and 6Hrs. And when it got amended they didn't mentioned how many questions they were going to include and the time that was alloted? Something needs to be done about It. If not who knows whats going to happen on the 2015 test.
I'm not saying it was right, but everyone had the same 130 questions. They only give these test once in a while and you have to study for 6 months. There will be people who pass and people who fail. The same thing happened in the LT test, while a bunch of guys were wasting time concerned about the changes the people who really wanted it didn't try to make sense of it. The fact of the matter is that the city faces litigations every test. They are not going to add 30 questions without ensuring they legally can. All you can hope is that you hit 70.

So why every question I saw after 100 were easy and the first 100 were lengthy? humm. out of the 112 that I did I never saw a double question. I bet the bulk of the 30 research questions that were also PG questions are in the first 100.

32forLife · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
So... What other solution do you have other than extending the time or changing the day?

Who says the sgt exam has to be administered during school session?

Why do you have to be dooshy? No reason for it. I guess suggestions make bad sergeants? Um.. Ok.

Sunday is church day? Ok. I never got out of a Sunday detail because of "church day".
if you still require an explanation. you are retarded...and shouldn't be a sgt. go detective route...no tests

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:22:38 AM

wisecop · Senior Member

32forLife wrote:
yougonow wrote:
So... What other solution do you have other than extending the time or changing the day?

Who says the sgt exam has to be administered during school session?

Why do you have to be dooshy? No reason for it. I guess suggestions make bad sergeants? Um.. Ok.

Sunday is church day? Ok. I never got out of a Sunday detail because of "church day".
if you still require an explanation. you are retarded...and shouldn't be a sgt. go detective route...no tests

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:22:38 AM

Everyone should take the test on a sunday, problem solved.

yougonow · Guru

So... Other than contributing.. You added absolutely nothing but a whole Lot of nothing with a very lame "come back".

noworries · Newbie

@SiSGT your a RETARD. EASY FOR YOU TO SAY WHEN YOUR ALREADY a stupervisor. Adding 30 more questions does not prevent cheating.

It adds pressure to the test taker. It allows for a higher failure rate.

32forLife · Veteran Member

noworries wrote:
@SiSGT your a RETARD. EASY FOR YOU TO SAY WHEN YOUR ALREADY a stupervisor. Adding 30 more questions does not prevent cheating.
It adds pressure to the test taker. It allows for a higher failure rate.

if you cant handle the pressure in a classroom how are you gonna handle the pressure as a sgt?

ManHands · Senior Member

Wisecop is absolutely correct. I am not a good learner. I need more than 6hrs for a 100 test but I worked hard for this. Once I saw it was 130 questions I didn't leave my chair for six hours. I made up my mind that I couldn't change anything and that DCAS was not going to win. I budgeted my time and finished 130 questions and double checked my answers and transferred my answers in under 6 hours. 6hrs might not have been enough time but if you prepared and wanted it bad enough you would have adjusted to it. If I did it anyone can do it. Trust me, I have a real hard time concentrating but preparation and desire got me through this test. No excuses !

Wingnut · Senior Member

wisecop wrote:
32forLife wrote:
yougonow wrote:
So... What other solution do you have other than extending the time or changing the day?

Who says the sgt exam has to be administered during school session?

Why do you have to be dooshy? No reason for it. I guess suggestions make bad sergeants? Um.. Ok.

Sunday is church day? Ok. I never got out of a Sunday detail because of "church day".
if you still require an explanation. you are retarded...and shouldn't be a sgt. go detective route...no tests

-- Edited by yougonow on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 12:22:38 AM

Everyone should take the test on a sunday, problem solved.

Then wouldn't every Christian on this job want a sabbath observance date? I'd like to know just how many people we are talking about that take the exam on a Sunday.

And if there's a few military people that most likely fought for this country in Iraq or Afghanistan can pick up a few points by taking the test late, because they were away from their families in service to this nation, then good for them.

bklyn13 · Senior Member

I wanna make a recommendation..... stop fighting among urselfs and get together to work something out during the protest session.

BoogieDownMarine · Senior Member

Maybe it's because I'm slow, but how does adding an extra 30 questions that don't count prevent cheating? SISGT, I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't understand how it prevents cheating. Can you explain please?

Iwearpumas · Senior Member

I finished the 2011 exam in about 2.5 hours. Then I took another 30 minutes to go over the exam. I passed, Thank God. I never understood how it takes people 6 hours to do 100 questions. Either you know the answer or you don't. I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand. When I read the questions, the answer popped out at me. I didnt need 10 minutes to use process of elimination to answer the question. Its either I knew the answer, or I didn't. If I didn't I left it blank, and came back to it when I finished all the other questions. I did the questions first, then I did the IN-BASKET. I was done in about 2.5 hours.

Again, I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand why someone would need 6 hours to do a 100 question exam.

yougonow · Guru

That logic is rediculous.

Why not scramble the questions? That would make plenty more sense.

I believe there is something completely different going on that that.

noworries · Newbie

Wrong again. SiSgt in addition I have a graduate degree. I am not the one complaining about the extra 30 questions I actually think they should raise the bar on this job. However many people spent hundreds of dollars and countless hours studying for a test and not prepping for the time.

yougonow · Guru

All one had to do was wait outside and see the hordes of test takers leaving at the very end. My school was insane, it was like the running of the bulls. Many many people left at the end. Even the schools parking lot was still 3/4 full.

Camaro23 · Member

I smell a smoker brewing between noworries and SISGT.

SISGT · Veteran Member

noworries wrote:
Wrong again. SiSgt in addition I have a graduate degree. I am not the one complaining about the extra 30 questions I actually think they should raise the bar on this job. However many people spent hundreds of dollars and countless hours studying for a test and not prepping for the time.

You must be very proud of ur graduate degree it will come in handy when what ever command ur in runs out of toilet paper. Just because people spent all that money doesnt mean they actually learned something. This isnt a college of a graduate school where 99% of people will pass since they r paying customers. :)

SISGT · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
That logic is rediculous.

Why not scramble the questions? That would make plenty more sense.

I believe there is something completely different going on that that.

Scramble how???? Like eggs or like a bar code? Or make it in a language other then english ?

Booking Fool · Senior Member

Iwearpumas wrote:
I finished the 2011 exam in about 2.5 hours. Then I took another 30 minutes to go over the exam. I passed, Thank God. I never understood how it takes people 6 hours to do 100 questions. Either you know the answer or you don't. I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand. When I read the questions, the answer popped out at me. I didnt need 10 minutes to use process of elimination to answer the question. Its either I knew the answer, or I didn't. If I didn't I left it blank, and came back to it when I finished all the other questions. I did the questions first, then I did the IN-BASKET. I was done in about 2.5 hours.

Again, I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand why someone would need 6 hours to do a 100 question exam.

I finished my sgt test in 2 hours. I never understood why you needed 6hours. Then I took this last lt test and it took me nearly the whole 6 hours. I don't know how this sgt test was, but we had numerous questions that were a page long. That and the most f**ked up in basket ever. Maybe this one was similar.

Booking Fool · Senior Member

yougonow wrote:
That logic is rediculous.

Why not scramble the questions? That would make plenty more sense.

I believe there is something completely different going on that that.

They do. The make up tests are in different orders and the answers are mixed up as well. However, this does nothing when you speak to someone and they tell you the actual question.

Nay · Veteran Member

playing with cops emotion is NEVER a brilliant idea i don't care what you said ^^.

HipChick · Member

I don't know if the extra 30 questions were to deter cheaters... The make up exam I assume will have the extra 30 with the same allotted time. If they really wanted to deter cheating for the people taking the make up exam, they should just give a different test for make ups. Problem solved.

the ringer · Senior Member

What did you guys get for the Inspector general question??????? It was a research question !!! They don't count! We are all suckers!! When will you guys understand this????

33fornow · Veteran Member

Ringer how so?

sixmonthwonder · Guru

If anything this gave the late test takers a bigger advantage as they were the only ones who knew they would be getting an extra 30 random, unscored questions ahead of time.

SISGT · Veteran Member

Nay wrote:
playing with cops emotion is NEVER a brilliant idea i don't care what you said ^^.

Ur nothing but a #. It was lesson 1 at PA or did u miss it ? No onecares about ur feelings or emotions. better luck next saturday.

yougonow · Guru

Sisgt..

You too, we all are numbers. That is very much understood. We are all expendable.

SISGT · Veteran Member

yougonow wrote:
Sisgt..

You too, we all are numbers. That is very much understood. We are all expendable.

Yup definitely am i learned it the hard way :)

seamus · Senior Member

Booking Fool wrote:
Iwearpumas wrote:
I finished the 2011 exam in about 2.5 hours. Then I took another 30 minutes to go over the exam. I passed, Thank God. I never understood how it takes people 6 hours to do 100 questions. Either you know the answer or you don't. I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand. When I read the questions, the answer popped out at me. I didnt need 10 minutes to use process of elimination to answer the question. Its either I knew the answer, or I didn't. If I didn't I left it blank, and came back to it when I finished all the other questions. I did the questions first, then I did the IN-BASKET. I was done in about 2.5 hours.

Again, I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand why someone would need 6 hours to do a 100 question exam.
I finished my sgt test in 2 hours. I never understood why you needed 6hours. Then I took this last lt test and it took me nearly the whole 6 hours. I don't know how this sgt test was, but we had numerous questions that were a page long. That and the most f**ked up in basket ever. Maybe this one was similar.

SERIOUSLY? How could you possibly finish an Inbasket and another 80 or so questions in two hours? I do not see how that is humanly possible.

-- Edited by seamus on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 06:26:36 PM

-- Edited by seamus on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 06:27:54 PM

Nay · Veteran Member

SISGT wrote:
Nay wrote:
playing with cops emotion is NEVER a brilliant idea i don't care what you said ^^.
Ur nothing but a #. It was lesson 1 at PA or did u miss it ? No onecares about ur feelings or emotions. better luck next saturday.

Oh i definitely know that we are nothing but # for this dept, but i thought it was only for nypd and PIGS for civilians, but never knew that we are also lab rats for DCAS till this test. we are nothing but ANIMALS according to them :(.

TheFinest911 · Senior Member

:::Breaking out The Kleenex::: The new generation of "entitled" police officers... The test was as straight-forward as the 2011 exam... 30 extra questions may have caused too much of a panic if that's the case the jobs not for you. We all should know by now nothing is owed to us, and this test is a perfect example of of the department using "no lube"... if you just decided to do the first 100 questions and failed to read the instructions in the front of the test booklet shame on you too, because it said the 30 extra crap questions were all mixed in so you just failed the simplest part of the exam that I guess wasent so simple, which was to pay attention and read carefully...

-- Edited by TheFinest911 on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 11:21:15 PM

dianab · Member

They can do it Monday in the academy!!

Gamblor · Senior Member

seamus wrote:
Booking Fool wrote:
Iwearpumas wrote:
I finished the 2011 exam in about 2.5 hours. Then I took another 30 minutes to go over the exam. I passed, Thank God. I never understood how it takes people 6 hours to do 100 questions. Either you know the answer or you don't. I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand. When I read the questions, the answer popped out at me. I didnt need 10 minutes to use process of elimination to answer the question. Its either I knew the answer, or I didn't. If I didn't I left it blank, and came back to it when I finished all the other questions. I did the questions first, then I did the IN-BASKET. I was done in about 2.5 hours.

Again, I am not knocking anybody, but I just don't understand why someone would need 6 hours to do a 100 question exam.
I finished my sgt test in 2 hours. I never understood why you needed 6hours. Then I took this last lt test and it took me nearly the whole 6 hours. I don't know how this sgt test was, but we had numerous questions that were a page long. That and the most f**ked up in basket ever. Maybe this one was similar.
SERIOUSLY? How could you possibly finish an Inbasket and another 80 or so questions in two hours? I do not see how that is humanly possible.

-- Edited by seamus on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 06:26:36 PM

-- Edited by seamus on Tuesday 22nd of October 2013 06:27:54 PM

I finished my Sergeant's test in under 2 hours. I finished my Lieutenant's test in under 3. I definitely think I was in the minority as I was the first person to leave my room both times (except for the one or two that wait there for an hour just for the day off), but it isn't impossible.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I finished my Sgt exam in about 3 hours total and got to review the questions within that time. The 2011 Lt exam the bell rung just a couple of minutes after I finished and I didn't get to review much of anything. If this Sgt exam was similar to any others, 30 extra questions not related at all to the in basket which actually is very time consuming, shouldn't take that long.

What made me take so long with the Lt exam is rereading questions not knowing what they were asking. No one expected judgement/personality questions that would contradict the book or vague math questions that didn't specify what was needed and expected you to form an opinion off of math or reading comprehension that was almost a page per question and needed you to reread it many times to answer one question or an in basket with multiple roll calls and they never tell you who you are.

As bad as you guys got it on Saturday, trust me, I would much rather have that exam than the disgrace that was the 2011 Lt exam...