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Protest/Appeal the 2013 Sergeants Exam


The following link will allow you to make a complaint directly to the commissioner of DCAS. In addition to this method, please follow the instructions on your Green Sheet as well :

http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html



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He probably part of this mess, who know his relatives are taking it and keeping that 30 question for them in case they are failing ^^.

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what should i say that will make a difference 



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Which is BS. We study hard for 100 questions not for 130. how clever was to change the exam 20 days before. I swear if I pulled any DCAS employee I will extend the outmost courtesy >:D compliments of HWY patrol



-- Edited by Arrow on Monday 21st of October 2013 10:54:54 PM

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www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

APPEAL THE 30 Randomly mixed in "Survey Questions" -- letter to DCAS COMMISSIONER - Takes Less than 5 minutes.... Pass this link on to everyone you know who took the exam and actually cares about passing

i just personally wrote to DCAS on that website in the message posted above by carman728 and I encourage everyone to voice your opinion since not all of you will attend the protest review session like myself:

To Whom it May Concern,
The 2013 NYPD sgt test#3539 was an unfair collaboration and abomination of a city promotional exam with 30 extra survey questions and the failure to allot extra time for those said questions. Our career is being tossed around like we are guinea pigs in a horrible lab experiment gone awry. Many of us studied for months, put our personal lives on hold, and paid in excess of a thousand dollars for promotional tutoring classes when we originally signed up for a 100 question test, which places a vast majority of us in a precarious situation of failing since many test takers did not even finish the entire exam unrighteously due in part to lack of time. As of now, there are too many variables factored in and the majority of the test takers expect an answer regarding these so-called survey questions. Will we be provided with their identity and purpose at the protest review and receive a breakdown of how they affect our test scores? We are entitled to an explanation of this unjust practice!


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Jdawg wrote:


www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

APPEAL THE 30 Randomly mixed in "Survey Questions" -- letter to DCAS COMMISSIONER - Takes Less than 5 minutes.... Pass this link on to everyone you know who took the exam and actually cares about passing

i just personally wrote to DCAS on that website in the message posted above by carman728 and I encourage everyone to voice your opinion since not all of you will attend the protest review session like myself:

To Whom it May Concern,
The 2013 NYPD sgt test#3539 was an unfair collaboration and abomination of a city promotional exam with 30 extra survey questions and the failure to allot extra time for those said questions. Our career is being tossed around like we are guinea pigs in a horrible lab experiment gone awry. Many of us studied for months, put our personal lives on hold, and paid in excess of a thousand dollars for promotional tutoring classes when we originally signed up for a 100 question test, which places a vast majority of us in a precarious situation of failing since many test takers did not even finish the entire exam unrighteously due in part to lack of time. As of now, there are too many variables factored in and the majority of the test takers expect an answer regarding these so-called survey questions. Will we be provided with their identity and purpose at the protest review and receive a breakdown of how they affect our test scores? We are entitled to an explanation of this unjust practice!


 Jdawd, I've received numerous inquiries about the legality of the additional questions.  The city covered themselves with the NOE; In addition, it is confirmed that there were 30 sets of duplicate questions.  Those candidates that bothered to look through their booklets like you're suppose to found the test to be very fair.  They were all relieved to see that the last 30 questions were extremely ez.  This test will have a high passing rate by the looks of it.



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Not questioning the legality of the extra questions it's the unfair practice of not telling us which ones were survey experiment questions. We have to assume that Dcas will do the right thing with these 30 questions as far as cumulative grading goes. That's where all of us are left in the dark. It doesn't hurt to send an email to Dcas commissioner explaining how unfair the extra 30 questions were without more allotted time like every other promotional exam that preceded this test.

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but what about the people that didnt make it that far. i only got to 112. was it fair? dont think so. when i was in question 100 i only had 20 minutes left. they should had added more time.



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Was it fair? NO. Was it equally unfair for every single person who took the test? YES. This is why they will get away with it and not throw it out. The only real reason to throw out a test is if a test is not equal to everyone involved. For some people it was a matter of not getting to the end, for others it was a matter of getting to the finish, but rushing the whole 130 because they knew they only had six hours, and could not spend the time needed to decipher it correctly. EVERYONE got screwed in one way or another.



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Ok does anyone have the ORIGINAL NOE?

I DO NOT RECALL there being a statement about extra questions in the original NOE.

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Original NOE means ZERO once they amend it.



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i feel your pain guys and gals, i did not take your exam obviously, i think it would have been fair to have 130 questions but to give you all extra time to account for it. This would have made perfect sense. They want to combat cheating which is fine, but they did this haphazardly. You guys have a legit gripe stating there was not enough time or that you felt rushed. I am kind of a slow test taker myself and i bet i would have barely finished it if at all. Those of you complaining that it should have have been last 30 questions and you didnt know, well that is a shame on you. The reason is because part of taking the exam is reading all the directions carefully and no where did it state the research questions were the last 30. I wish you all the best and make sure you send out your sheet to protest. If you do not send it back in time you can not attend the protest session.

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This is an integrity issue. Why not tell us which ones don't count? There should be an investigation for this. im also a slow test taker. But I do agree more questions needs more time. 



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It's always 6 hours for 100 questions  That's about 2 hours for 30 questions. They are cramming 2 hours worth of questions into that 6 hours. All questions were lengthy and if you were rushed and read it fast and missed an important word, that could have costed you the question.  The only true argument against dcas is the amount of time.   



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I concur carman



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well being a sgt is curve ball so they threw one at you see if you can handle it....honestly if there was a interview followed by the 70 most of the unqualified people get promoted on most of you complaining wouldn't even make it.

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Dude, what's up with you?

This was a curve ball, a terrible curve ball. You can't prepare for TIME. No matter how many stopwatches you bring. The questions were very long and drawn out. Adding 30 more was terrible.

I finished the exam with time to spare, I'm not speaking for me, I'm speaking for the vast majority. Competitors or not.

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well being a sgt is curve ball so they threw one at you see if you can handle it....honestly if there was a interview followed by the 70 most of the unqualified people get promoted on most of you complaining wouldn't even make it.


 Us complaining would make it because it shows that we want it. 



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if you appealed correctly you should get an email stating City of New York Auto Acknowledgment Correspondence #########

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I feel for the guys that studied hard and feel robbed of a fair test.  All of us that took the 2011 Lt. exam felt the same way or worse when our test was over.  I do agree it was wrong that they did not extend the time for the extra questions. The city and Dcas did not even entertain a protest for the Lt test which had 30 questions on it that you were not able to study for, and P.G. questions that were so vague most did not make sense.  From what I heard from almost everyone is that the questions on the test were very fair, and (this is my opinion only) that this test will get pushed through and then they will deal another curve ball for the upcoming Capt's exam.  Hope it does work out in the end for you guys.. 



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The harder you study, the better you do. And the less you whine

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The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only. These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet. 

it says you should not must



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It also said SHOULD for the first 100 questions.



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correct, ergo invalidating this whole "should" argument.



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Seems the should vs must folks are suspended in Patrol Guide Study World where there is a huge difference between should and must as it would pertain to answers on exam. The instructions to the exam are written in Real World Land, where making a stink out of should vs. must will be dismissed out of hand.

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HAS ANY OF THE KEY INSTRUCTORS COMMENTED ABOUT THE EXAM???? THERE WERE 6500 PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE TEST, THE FAIREST THING TO DO IS THROW OUT 30 WRONG ANSWERS FROM EVERYONES EXAM. THIS WILL MAKE THE LIST PROBABLY 3000 NAMES LONG BUT NO ONE COULD SUE, WHINE, OR BITCH ABOUT THINGS BEING UNFAIR. LET DCAS AND THE NYPD HIRE THE HIGHEST 1500 PEOPLE OFF THE LIST THEN CUT IT. I SPOKE TO THE GUY WHO CREATED THE KEY COURSE ON CRAM 3 OF THE SGT CLASS AND HE SAID HE SPOKE TO THE HEAD OF DCAS ABOUT THE EXAM AND THEN SAID TO ME MAKE SURE YOU FOCUS ON THE FIRST 100 QUESTIONS ONCE YOU FINISH THOSE DONT LEAVE THE OTHER QUESTIONS BLANK JUST TRY TO GET TO THEM.

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No more true words can be spoken ! 



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TransitJoe wrote:

The harder you study, the better you do. And the less you whine


 No more true words can be spoken !



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Actually according to an email sent by DCAS... and then posted on DCAS website the AMENDED NOE:

 

The test may include questions which require mastery of technical knowledge based on such materials as:

NYCPD Patrol Guide; Interim Orders; Legal Bureau Bulletins; New York State Penal Law and Criminal

Procedure Law; Operations Orders; Family Court Act; Crime Complaint Reporting System Reference Guide;

and Mayors Executive Order No. 16 of 1978, as amended. Questions may address any of the following areas:

services provided by other police units; messages received from the FINEST and SPRINT computer systems

that affect procedures; 311 System; assistance services available to personnel; written narrative reports;

response situations; patrol supervision; special patrol operations; disciplinary matters; and personnel matters,

in effect up to and including July 1, 2013.

The test may also include questions requiring the use of any of the following abilities:

Written Communication - Clear expression of ideas in writing and use of good grammatical form.

Planning and Organizing - Establishing a course of action for self and/or others to accomplish a specific

goal; planning proper assignment of personnel and appropriate allocation of resources.

Delegation - Utilizing subordinates effectively; allocating decision making and other responsibilities to the

appropriate subordinates.

Management Control - Establishing procedures to monitor and/or regulate processes, tasks or activities of

subordinates and job activities and responsibilities; taking action to monitor the results of delegated

assignments or projects.

Organizational Sensitivity - Action that indicates an awareness of the impact and the implications of decisions

on other components of the organization.

Sensitivity - Actions that indicate a consideration for the feelings and needs of others.

Analysis - Identifying problems, securing relevant information, relating data from different sources, and

identifying possible causes of problems.

Judgment - Developing alternative courses of action and making decisions based on logical assumptions that

reflect factual information.

Decisiveness - Readiness to make decisions, render judgments, take action, or commit oneself.

Work Standards - Setting high goals or standards of performance for self, subordinates, others, and

organization. Dissatisfied with average performance.

Behavioral Flexibility - Modifying ones approach to most effectively meet the needs of the situation.

Technical Translation - Demonstrating knowledge of the meaning of technical/professional terminology used

on the job.

Certain questions may need to be answered on the basis of documents or other information supplied to

candidates on the date of the multiple-choice test.

The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only.

These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process.

However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet.




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62P wrote:

Actually according to an email sent by DCAS... and then posted on DCAS website the AMENDED NOE:

 

The test may include questions which require mastery of technical knowledge based on such materials as:

NYCPD Patrol Guide; Interim Orders; Legal Bureau Bulletins; New York State Penal Law and Criminal

Procedure Law; Operations Orders; Family Court Act; Crime Complaint Reporting System Reference Guide;

and Mayors Executive Order No. 16 of 1978, as amended. Questions may address any of the following areas:

services provided by other police units; messages received from the FINEST and SPRINT computer systems

that affect procedures; 311 System; assistance services available to personnel; written narrative reports;

response situations; patrol supervision; special patrol operations; disciplinary matters; and personnel matters,

in effect up to and including July 1, 2013.

The test may also include questions requiring the use of any of the following abilities:

Written Communication - Clear expression of ideas in writing and use of good grammatical form.

Planning and Organizing - Establishing a course of action for self and/or others to accomplish a specific

goal; planning proper assignment of personnel and appropriate allocation of resources.

Delegation - Utilizing subordinates effectively; allocating decision making and other responsibilities to the

appropriate subordinates.

Management Control - Establishing procedures to monitor and/or regulate processes, tasks or activities of

subordinates and job activities and responsibilities; taking action to monitor the results of delegated

assignments or projects.

Organizational Sensitivity - Action that indicates an awareness of the impact and the implications of decisions

on other components of the organization.

Sensitivity - Actions that indicate a consideration for the feelings and needs of others.

Analysis - Identifying problems, securing relevant information, relating data from different sources, and

identifying possible causes of problems.

Judgment - Developing alternative courses of action and making decisions based on logical assumptions that

reflect factual information.

Decisiveness - Readiness to make decisions, render judgments, take action, or commit oneself.

Work Standards - Setting high goals or standards of performance for self, subordinates, others, and

organization. Dissatisfied with average performance.

Behavioral Flexibility - Modifying ones approach to most effectively meet the needs of the situation.

Technical Translation - Demonstrating knowledge of the meaning of technical/professional terminology used

on the job.

Certain questions may need to be answered on the basis of documents or other information supplied to

candidates on the date of the multiple-choice test.

The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only.

These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process.

However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet.

 


hmmm nothing about random. makes you wonder.. i just know DCAS Sucks! 



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MJV231 wrote:
62P wrote:

Actually according to an email sent by DCAS... and then posted on DCAS website the AMENDED NOE:

 

The test may include questions which require mastery of technical knowledge based on such materials as:

NYCPD Patrol Guide; Interim Orders; Legal Bureau Bulletins; New York State Penal Law and Criminal

Procedure Law; Operations Orders; Family Court Act; Crime Complaint Reporting System Reference Guide;

and Mayors Executive Order No. 16 of 1978, as amended. Questions may address any of the following areas:

services provided by other police units; messages received from the FINEST and SPRINT computer systems

that affect procedures; 311 System; assistance services available to personnel; written narrative reports;

response situations; patrol supervision; special patrol operations; disciplinary matters; and personnel matters,

in effect up to and including July 1, 2013.

The test may also include questions requiring the use of any of the following abilities:

Written Communication - Clear expression of ideas in writing and use of good grammatical form.

Planning and Organizing - Establishing a course of action for self and/or others to accomplish a specific

goal; planning proper assignment of personnel and appropriate allocation of resources.

Delegation - Utilizing subordinates effectively; allocating decision making and other responsibilities to the

appropriate subordinates.

Management Control - Establishing procedures to monitor and/or regulate processes, tasks or activities of

subordinates and job activities and responsibilities; taking action to monitor the results of delegated

assignments or projects.

Organizational Sensitivity - Action that indicates an awareness of the impact and the implications of decisions

on other components of the organization.

Sensitivity - Actions that indicate a consideration for the feelings and needs of others.

Analysis - Identifying problems, securing relevant information, relating data from different sources, and

identifying possible causes of problems.

Judgment - Developing alternative courses of action and making decisions based on logical assumptions that

reflect factual information.

Decisiveness - Readiness to make decisions, render judgments, take action, or commit oneself.

Work Standards - Setting high goals or standards of performance for self, subordinates, others, and

organization. Dissatisfied with average performance.

Behavioral Flexibility - Modifying ones approach to most effectively meet the needs of the situation.

Technical Translation - Demonstrating knowledge of the meaning of technical/professional terminology used

on the job.

Certain questions may need to be answered on the basis of documents or other information supplied to

candidates on the date of the multiple-choice test.

The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only.

These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process.

However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet.

 


hmmm nothing about random. makes you wonder.. i just know DCAS Sucks! 


 That is true. i totally agree with you. But on test day they flip the tables in the instructions. i didn't get to finish the test because of no extra time and is really study. So let's see what are they up to. 



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thats the part i hate the most, WAITING!, good part is the if the protest is scheduled for 5 weeks after the test on week 4 PS4 will be out so that week will go by fast lol I'm always trying to look at the bright side lol

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MJV231 wrote:

thats the part i hate the most, WAITING!, good part is the if the protest is scheduled for 5 weeks after the test on week 4 PS4 will be out so that week will go by fast lol I'm always trying to look at the bright side lol


 Very good



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thats the part i hate the most, WAITING!, good part is the if the protest is scheduled for 5 weeks after the test on week 4 PS4 will be out so that week will go by fast lol I'm always trying to look at the bright side lol


 Damn straight!! Got so much time on my hands now that the studying is over. Feels great!



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MJV231 wrote:

thats the part i hate the most, WAITING!, good part is the if the protest is scheduled for 5 weeks after the test on week 4 PS4 will be out so that week will go by fast lol I'm always trying to look at the bright side lol


 Damn straight!! Got so much time on my hands now that the studying is over. Feels great!


 i actually feel guilty lol, so guilty I'm going back to school this january to finish the 2 classes i need to get my bachelors, but I'm a little torn about this not know what my position on my list is going to be and the fact that there MIGHT be a LT test next year, i don't want to do both...



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