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013sgtexamsucked · Member

Can anyone advise how to protest?

bngeek · Senior Member

Start by reading the green sheet carefully. It has the whole procedure outlined.

JetBlue · Member

The following link is to Complain and Appeal the 2013 Sgt Exam:
This link will allow you to make your complaint Directly to the commissioner of DCAS

www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I didn't take this exam, but in the past you had to mail in a slip of paper to DCAS which should be on a sheet they let you leave with and they will mail you back a time and place for a protest session after the proposed answer key was posted on the website. But from what I am hearing now the answer key won't be posted and the only way to see it is to attend the protest session? So does that mean pretty much every applicant will attend the protest sessions?

I mean in the past if you knew you got a 40 or 50, you didn't bother going to protest session bc it would be impossible to pick up that many answers to pass. But if no one on knows how they did, I would have to assume EVERYONE will want to attend, meaning thats a lot of protest sessions.

yougonow · Guru

I think what he or she is asking..

What ammunition should one bring to protest. Personally, a lot of questions were fuggazi. Reality is, I don't remember them, there were a bunch!

So I think we need to independently post the question, question # and reason so we can all protest the questions together.

seamus · Senior Member

You have to go to the protest session. They give you all the questions and the answers. You will have approximately one month to go home and compile your reason for a valid protest( if you think there was another answer that was equal to or better than the one chosen as correct). If you have valid reason, you must send in copies of the patrol guide/ legal bureau bulletins that back up your reasoning.

yougonow · Guru

Thank you seamus. I never knew that. Much appreciated.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

As someone who has protested questions numerous times, they don't give you a month, you have just the time allotted at the protest session to write your protest. They let you into a protest session, give you the test booklet and let you bring whatever documents (PG, LBB's, etc.) you want, but no cameras or cell phones. You have to make handwritten protests on why your answer was better than their answer (double answer) or if the substance of the question itself was completely flawed and therefore cannot have a correct answer (throwout).

Also they want you to reference items that prove your point. So if they give you a question that has a conflict in the PG and you can reference it in your handwritten protest, you might get that question/answer changed into a double/triple/throwout.

-- Edited by PatrolGuideismyBible on Monday 21st of October 2013 09:22:23 PM

Jdawg · Veteran Member

www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

APPEAL THE 30 Randomly mixed in "Survey Questions" -- letter to DCAS COMMISSIONER - Takes Less than 5 minutes.... Pass this link on to everyone you know who took the exam and actually cares about passing

i just personally wrote to DCAS on that website in the message posted above by carman728 and I encourage everyone to voice your opinion since not all of you will attend the protest review session like myself:

To Whom it May Concern,
The 2013 NYPD sgt test#3539 was an unfair collaboration and abomination of a city promotional exam with 30 extra survey questions and the failure to allot extra time for those said questions. Our career is being tossed around like we are guinea pigs in a horrible lab experiment gone awry. Many of us studied for months, put our personal lives on hold, and paid in excess of a thousand dollars for promotional tutoring classes when we originally signed up for a 100 question test, which places a vast majority of us in a precarious situation of failing since many test takers did not even finish the entire exam unrighteously due in part to lack of time. As of now, there are too many variables factored in and the majority of the test takers expect an answer regarding these so-called survey questions. Will we be provided with their identity and purpose at the protest review and receive a breakdown of how they affect our test scores? We are entitled to an explanation of this unjust practice!

Gamblor · Senior Member

seamus wrote:
You have to go to the protest session. They give you all the questions and the answers. You will have approximately one month to go home and compile your reason for a valid protest( if you think there was another answer that was equal to or better than the one chosen as correct). If you have valid reason, you must send in copies of the patrol guide/ legal bureau bulletins that back up your reasoning.

Just a reminder, while yes, you can go home and mail your protest, you will not be allowed to leave with the questions, answers, or any paper in which you may have written questions down. You would have to do it all from memory.

Jdawg · Veteran Member

So let's PM each other and write down questions that we think we're misleading or on the fence. Remember, the promotional school teachers such as mike Yanosik used to be our voice when they protested material because they could recite the **** from the PG directly from memory. If we all collaborate and join forces, we can protest the same questions.

seamus · Senior Member

the back of the protest slip tells us we must submit 4 copies of our protests and documentation within 30 days of the protest review session and mail them to DCAS

yougonow · Guru

I think we need to submit this to our school teachers independently and let them make a master list for us. I mean.. They only made a wholeeee lotta ($$) from most of the test takers, myself included. They are indeed way more experienced and know this stuff inside and out.

Let's see how Yanosik plays this one, and the others. I mean.. Their actions or lack, will either get MORE students or LESS future students.