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Omfg ppl. Keep it norm. Lmfao. Trolls are made for this type of excitements. Smh

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Out of curiosity does anyone know how many were left on the list on the 08 exam when the 09 list came out?

About 200. Then they exsausted the 2008 list and then began using the 2009

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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Semp1, I highly doubt your 4500 number filed for the 2009 Sgt exam. Hell 2800 Sgt's filed for the last Lt exam!!! Lets see between the PBA and DEA union membership numbers of people that have at least 3 years eligible to take the exam, you have to figure a lot will file every time. Was there some reason why in 2009 everyone gave up on getting promoted? I doubt it. I would have to guess at least 7000+ people are filing for every exam, maybe more? 2011 it was nearly 10,000, why would less than half file for the 2009 exam? What happened?

I mean face the facts, the 2011 exam is by comparison the easiest exam based on pass percentage ever since the job implemented the 70 passing rule. Once again, I am not saying an exam where about 8300 people failed was "easy" just easier than the previous 4 exams where almost no one passed! I mean they are not giving away the Sergeant promotion, but the 2011 exam was about as close to giving it away IF they actually DO promote everyone.

I am not disrespecting anyone who passed the last exam and got promoted, but consider this, the list number they are up to now didn't even exist on the 2006 or 2007 exams bc the lists were so small. Easy test? No. Not as difficult? Possibly.

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 You are incorrect. Stop spreading false information.  The 09 test did not have even 5000 applicants.  And to the above poster.  The 09 list was established with in six months and didn't activate for almost another year. 

-- Edited by Semp1 on Friday 6th of September 2013 09:59:22 PM

PaTROLLinRMPnoAC wrote:

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Are these statistics that these people are arguing about in the same almanac that Biff stole from Marty McFly in Back to the Future 2???

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 there is no statistics necessary are you even on the current list. If not why are you on this topic. If only to tell your stories of gloom and doom it's not necessary or needed.  I'm sure others would agree we don't really care much for what you have to say unless you have something relevant to add besides. "the list is getting cut. The test was too easy."   you're a troll who constantly posts to the stir the pot. And I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet.  

-- Edited by Semp1 on Friday 6th of September 2013 10:06:49 PM

Why can't cops just be smarter, or why cant they just studied harder. The job sucks and more people want to go up the ranks.

Iwearpumas wrote:

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Everybody says that this test was so easy and stuff, but every academy class the PC boasts about how educated the class is. Almost everybody going in the academy has college degrees, and supervisors are drilling in them while in the academy to study to get promoted. Maybe cops just want it more now, and are smart enough to pass.

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 ...and don't leave out, even when there is just 500 recruits graduating from the academy, compared to the 1000-2000 in previous classes, it is ALWAYS the MOST DIVERSE class ever!!!!

Fact is if you COMBINED the lists of 2006, 2007, and 2008, you might still have less people passing than the 2011 exam. Thats true! Don't give me 2009 only had 4500 people take it, thats BS, the 2009 exam might have "easier' next to I dunno the prev 3 exams with SLIGHTLY more people passing it, but even that may or may not be true.

I mean the people that have already been promoted off of the 2011 exam are your studiers that probably would have had a good shot of making the lists of the prev 4 exams, but as the list deepens, you are going to see the technical knowledge thin out on people getting promoted. You are going to see a lot of 'Lucky Saturday" bosses in the upcoming classes that would have had like no chance on the previous 4 exams. Sorry, but its true.

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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Fact is if you COMBINED the lists of 2006, 2007, and 2008, you might still have less people passing than the 2011 exam. Thats true! Don't give me 2009 only had 4500 people take it, thats BS, the 2009 exam might have "easier' next to I dunno the prev 3 exams with SLIGHTLY more people passing it, but even that may or may not be true.

I mean the people that have already been promoted off of the 2011 exam are your studiers that probably would have had a good shot of making the lists of the prev 4 exams, but as the list deepens, you are going to see the technical knowledge thin out on people getting promoted. You are going to see a lot of 'Lucky Saturday" bosses in the upcoming classes that would have had like no chance on the previous 4 exams. Sorry, but its true.

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 I guess im considered a Lucky saturday guy according to patrolguide ismybible because i didnt have 8 hrs a tour to study like some people And get into the top 100. last time a checked, most but not all of ur highest scoring cops turn out to be the shakiest p****ies who are afraid of their own shadows who are gonna throw their cops under the bus for anything. Meanwhile one of my closest friends was on the tail end of the 09 list and turned out to be one of the best bosses in his cmd. lets not forget that their are a ****load of sgts who got made with 50s as a score. Sorry but thats all true.

Reread my posts, I do not reallt consider any promotional exam 'easy", but in comparison to the previous 4 exams with the same 70 passing mandate, this one appears to be "easier" in comparison. Not saying any promotional exam is easy though.

As for whatsinthebox, sweeping generalizations of top scorers being bad bosses are laughable. Each individual is different. I can agree to an extent that I would never want to work for an unbending walking patrol guide boss that is afraid of his shadow and hid in some detail and never really did patrol. But you may also have the bosses that did patrol for years, studied the patrol guide hard, scored really well and are bright enough and experienced enough to know what is important and what doesn't really matter. Also those top scorers will tend to keep his cops outta trouble by recognizing when they are doing something that can come back to bite them.

As for bosses scoring in the 50's getting promoted, I know there are guys with 58's that made the tail end of the Dec 2003 list, but they DID NOT get promoted. In theory, if he had veterans, residency, a few hundred department recognition awards, like 20 years seniority, maybe he gets into the high 60's were they killed the list. I highly doubt it, such a boss probably does not exist.

Also before they mandated the "70 passing" score lists could have 1500+ plus people all with scores well over 70!!! It varied all depending on how many people they put on a list and how well people scored. The Jan 2002 list, if I remember correctly, you may have gotten promoted in the high 60's raw score, but well into the 70's final score. But before those two exams, scores were often higher from what I have heard. The 2006 Lt exam it was an 81 raw score!!!

Well anyone who is deep into the current list is doing themselves a major disservice arguing on a message board with me or others or resorting to name calling. THEY SHOULD BE STUDYING FOR NEXT MONTH'S EXAM INSTEAD!!!! If no one here cares or believes whatever info I am posting, do YOURSELF a huge favor, study for next month's exam and stop reading it! Hedge your bets, have a backup plan if things do not go your way.

Worst case scenario, list is cut in April. So, then the question is in that doomsday scenario if they kept at the current rate of promotion in the next 7 months, they would promote probably over 200+ but not quite 300.

Best case scenario, everyone gets promoted. But there is also a lot of room for in between IF the list is cut...

I am legendary...but I've never met you.

You know what? I resent the people saying that this was the easiest SGT's test. How dare you? I know the list is much bigger than previous lists but you know what?.. If your score was a 78 on another list you would've been made by now given the time frame. Same people creating the questions on all the exams created the questions on this exam. I think it's messed up that you say this test was the easiest when you've never taken it yourself...just the rumor.. You've been made already, how can you say which tests were harder or easier? I think more cops signed up for this test and took it than ever before because their getting fed up with all the nonsense and changes on the job. More people took it= more people passing. Just that simple. I don't think it has anything to do with the level of difficulty of the test. Bottom line is, if you didn't study, you failed.

Obviously no one takes every exam, but since the 70 passing score we saw lists of 600+ in 2006, 300+ in 2007, 700+ in 2008, 800+ in 2009, 1600+ in 2011. Slightly more people might have filed for the 2011 exam, but to more than DOUBLE the list size of the previous exam? Or have more than FIVE TIMES as many pass it than the 2007 exam? I think it can be inferred that the last exam wasn't that bad. Easy? Probably not, as no exam is easy. But less difficult or "easier" than the previous exams? Certainly appears that way.

As for the logic behind cutting the list? I have noticed and I tihnk a lot of you have too, the job is not logical. As for the retirements, have we already seen the biggest classes hit 20 years already? They put in back to back Sgt's classes? THE END? I mean will we now once again see a bit of a slowdown in promotions? I dunno, you can speculate forever on these things and drive yourself crazy. All I have been saying is it might be worth it to take next months exam if you have a high list number...

Semp1, you continue to doubt my posts and spread very inaccurate information yourself and are dismissive of the warning I am giving you in regards to the POSSIBILITY of the list getting cut. The numbers I posted are correct, they are not EXACT, but are very accurate.

Anyway, I am already a supervisor and have been for many years. I am sharing the knowledge I have from experience of older exams from an era long ago where lists were very large and cut frequently. This list in case you haven't noticed is very large, so the info I am sharing is pertinent to this thread.

Also let me point out how you are waaay off base again- The 2003 Exam had scores of 58 make the list, it was cut with people scoring in the high 60's after adding points. Another fun fact, it was the LAST exam to give 2.5 residency points. So the scores were bad, people that scored poorly got promoted, but I highly doubt people with 58's as a raw score ended up with 68's or 69's to get promoted even with residency points on that exam. Or if such a person existed, he/she was unique since that was not the norm and I can tell you that was a very difficult exam. It had the bicycle lettering question on it and another goodie with the "two way turret" lights.

Anyway Semp1, you should stop disputing the very accurate info I am sharing here and go STUDY!!! You might need to, then again, you might not, hey its your career...

-- Edited by PatrolGuideismyBible on Saturday 7th of September 2013 10:37:59 PM

Mattinglyfan wrote:

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I'm going to try and stay optimistic that brat &semp are right and we are safe. I know this job changes its mind Every minute I just hope they do the right thing and give us what we earned. As another poster stated our scores would have been promoted already if so many people didn't take our exam. I don't even know how they could come up with an arbitrary figure of how to cut the list. Say you cut it at 75 and that means anyone 1300+ would get cut. . What happens next test do we now have a 75 mandatory passing score because their is no way it is okay or legal in my mind for them to not promote our 75 score guys but promote the same or lower scores next time around.

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 I'm by no means a source of info.  I simply am realistic and am not going to reference lists from 10-15 years ago that were cut at 57% as reasons to think this list will be cut when even then they promoted more than 1800 in 1999. Brat on the other hand is reliable and even if her opinion is that they won't cut the list there's merit behind that opinion. 

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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Obviously no one takes every exam, but since the 70 passing score we saw lists of 600+ in 2006, 300+ in 2007, 700+ in 2008, 800+ in 2009, 1600+ in 2011. Slightly more people might have filed for the 2011 exam, but to more than DOUBLE the list size of the previous exam? Or have more than FIVE TIMES as many pass it than the 2007 exam? I think it can be inferred that the last exam wasn't that bad. Easy? Probably not, as no exam is easy. But less difficult or "easier" than the previous exams? Certainly appears that way.

As for the logic behind cutting the list? I have noticed and I tihnk a lot of you have too, the job is not logical. As for the retirements, have we already seen the biggest classes hit 20 years already? They put in back to back Sgt's classes? THE END? I mean will we now once again see a bit of a slowdown in promotions? I dunno, you can speculate forever on these things and drive yourself crazy. All I have been saying is it might be worth it to take next months exam if you have a high list number...

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 You clearly are just making numbers up because every single number you listed is off.    2006 had about 350 since people werent ready for it since it was the first test to have a passing grade.   2008 had mid 600's and 2009 had about 700. Tests were given every single year because the job needed bigger lists so the statement you made that it didn't cut the lists because they were small is incorrect. The opposite was needed. The dept wanted bigger lists which is why a test was offered every 12 months from 2006-2009. You clearly are completely confused with the statements you are making. 

The 2006 exam also had about 6500 sign up to take it. If I remember correctly.

I will give it to semp... I have seen this dude push and pull some serious iron in the gym.   lmao.  This is a never ending topic.

 

Semp1, reread who started this thread, it sure wasn't me. I am just sharing what I know of past exams to correct the misguided such as you that are generally waaay off on numbers, facts, and what really happened. I am a wealth of either useful or useless information depending on how you see it.

Once again, 55's did not make the 2003 exam, 58's did, but they stopped promoting and cut the list in the high 60's. In theory with 2.5 residency (last time that was on an exam), medals, fitness, seniority, veterans credit, etc. maybe someone out that there actually scored a 58 or 59 raw score and got to the high 60's and got made. Not likely, but not impossible. There really could have been a lot "Lucky Saturday" guys though off such bad scoring on that exam.

Anyway Semp1 even if you do get promoted, you will still be saluting me. ;-p

ondeeair2321 wrote:

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News I got today kinda shocked me. Yes. They are kicking about a cut. Highly unlikely. But it is being discussed. Don't kill the messenger. It is not confirmed as many here like to sAy. But it has been coming up lately, from higher ups. some want to activate new sgt list in april. My buddy said its been bounced around a lot. That's all I was told. If I get more I ll post. 

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 Umm didnt i say this would happen way over a year ago?

-- Edited by HB on Sunday 8th of September 2013 12:16:56 PM

More speculation..Furthermore, April is not the "magic" month that a new list will start to be promoted off of. Nobody knows anything unless your the "powers that be". Would have been a sound choice to sign up for the next exam..yea sure why not. I did. And by taking the next exam, it should just be another practice exam. I'm in the 1000's and I've considered the possibility of a cut of course, because after all it is possible. However unlikely, I think that the next few months leading up to "April" hopefully will ease our minds, for I believe there will be classes with average to better than class sizes. I hope that the list will hit 1000 by the Jan-Feb class. After that...there are 600 left on the list, and would take a year to finish promoting everyone else. For everyone saying there's a possibility of a cut... Wouldn't there be a possibility of finishing the list next year?! Which seems more likely? I'm hedging my bet on the list gets finished and that the 2013 exam will wait until this one finishes kinda like the 2009 exam.

Holy sh*t we are still talking about this?! Can't wait for the whole list to get made so they can talk about this with the oct 2013 test. Like clock work.