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-- Edited by NextLtTest on Friday 2nd of December 2011 08:43:34 AM

21. Don't know
3. Agreed but dcas might point to inbasket memo regarding pct over budget for operational ot and use odd tour guys to cut ot.
13. Don't know
15. Agreed
26. Dont know
100. Agreed
88. Don't know
77. XO going on vacation leaving you to get ready for traffic stat and tells you increase in 53s with injuries. Dcas answer is to stay past your tour to make sure presentation is ready. Could be another protest based on ot for for admin tasks.
90. Have to get back to you on that. I have it somewhere, just have to find it. 67. Question was 12 year old found in queens and step-father makes him do oral. Wanted desk officer does all except: dcas answer was notify svs (true - he doesn't do that. He calls queens child abuse squad)

-- Edited by Mes018 on Friday 2nd of December 2011 06:44:17 PM

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21. Don't know
3. Agreed but dcas might point to inbasket memo regarding pct over budget for operational ot and use odd tour guys to cut ot.
13. Don't know
15. Agreed
26. Dont know
100. Agreed
88. Don't know
77. XO going on vacation leaving you to get ready for traffic stat and tells you increase in 53s with injuries. Dcas answer is to stay past your tour to make sure presentation is ready. Could be another protest based on ot for for admin tasks.
90. Have to get back to you on that. I have it somewhere, just have to find it. 67. Question was 12 year old found in queens and step-father makes him do oral. Wanted desk officer does all except: dcas answer was notify svs (true - he doesn't do that. He calls queens child abuse squad)

-- Edited by Mes018 on Friday 2nd of December 2011 06:44:17 PM

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 i also protested # 77 i think this is going to be another throw out, the xo will be away for a couple of days and the presintation is in one week. how crazy is that , but they still say to stay past your tour and review the statistics. the xo never told him to stay , . i never meant to protest this one but my god. it is now one of the craziest, i wrote up 2 pages about how they can justify this as a good judgment, and aslo refered to PG. .. i really think this one may have a chance. if anyone want to protest this one i have a very good memory of it ..wink wink. pm me. even for other Q. PM me.

#20   the cell phone snatch. they said as per PG 207-52 in the stem of the question, "Complaints involving cell phones" NO SUCH think as 207-52 typo. i hope it works, they meant to say IO 52-of 09. lol , may have a chance.

#89.... you know that one..

#64

#63

#47

#21

#100 like everyone else.

-- Edited by area1 on Friday 2nd of December 2011 09:51:46 PM

The last tour that ended was 2014 by the crime sgt. The conditions guys were rot by 1850 and the crime guys by 2005. All wouldve been on full ot by 2030.

-- Edited by 18and1 on Friday 2nd of December 2011 10:02:37 PM

No I believe the other two answers did not have 2 cops that were van qualified. The 2 vehicles they gave u were vans.

4-submitted PG 212-37, 213-02 as reference. The only reason I think they chose the dcas answer was they got confused with the distance. Its approx. 3000 Ft away, if you use there legend of 750ft per block. This one should be a double answer for the other parking lot.
5-ECB, Bad Calendar with the two 8's
9-I fought this one based on the order for the Lieut. to do things after returning from meal. Submitted Missings as proof of the Lieut's need to respond to a 9 yrs old as a priority. Disputed the prisoner with the chest pains being 1st. I don't know how they would be waiting for the Lieut to handle that one 1st since they prisoner would need to be rushed to the hospital.
18-strip search-I added that in 208-05 under strip search "note'. "A subsequent strip search will not be conducted unless there is reasonable belief that the subject has acquired a weapon or contraband', as a double answer.
20-207-52 not in existence. I also wrote as a back up if they wanted to let it stand as I/O 52 based on step 15 which is a DO duty to "Ensure all Complaint Reports involving stolen cellular telephones are referred to the Detective Squad, precinct of occurrence'. This would also be an incorrect choice. Double answer as a back up if they don't throw it out. They have the patrol sgt speaking to the cops advising them what to do.
21-I disputed one of the answers that was also a bad choice "D". It states "include name, address, and telephone number of the pharmacy concerned, will be recorded in the appropriate captions and in the "Remarks" section of the form". Its missing physician (pharmacy/physician). In notes of 210-04 under step 4.
28-the question states to refer to the Complainant's report of lost or stolen property/identity theft. Which is incorrect as the proper form in I/O#1-Identity theft preliminary investigation report.
77-where the lieut. needs to prepare for traffic stat.
some other ones i can't remember.
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I think those who haven't submitted protests and are planning on doing so by mail have a better chance at conveying the information in a clear structured format. You have the ability to paste all the patrol guide sections, type, and proof read. At the site it's difficult to gather your thoughts and write clearly.

I will be sending additional protests that I didn't have time to complete via mail. I stood there the entire 6 hours, and was only able to get 10 done.

good luck. keep posting your responses for others to use.

I protested 10-
24- The prisoner visit: Not likely
29- Walk-in request for the PAR prep: no chance
45- 53 on the bridge: great chance
47- Dept. 53: great chance
50- Hypo cap at roll call: no chance
63- PINS: great chance
64- Missing: ok chance
89- E-day: ok chance
91- Crying PAA: not likely
100- OT for the CO's assignment: ok chance

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Enrico Pallazo wrote:

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I assure you, the DCAS answer incurred less overtime than all others.

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Both choices got the same amount of OT. I was told the argument was that 3 po's were rdo and u wouldn't be able to notify them. We'll see.

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 No. They didn't.

Greetings to all. I am not sure if this will help, but I spent some time working on the protests, attended the DCAS protest session on 11/30/11 in Brooklyn, reviewed the test, spoke to M. Yanosek from (former) Fast Track, who was in protesting the test in the same room as me etc...You are absolutely right, there is power in numbers, especially when we are dealing with a poorly-written, subjective abomination, known as the 2011 Lt's test. Here are some "protest-hints" (hope they may help):

# 62 (for those who took the test 10/29/11) is a defective question: the stem of the question addresses an illegal eviction situation, it introduces 2 UMOS- yourself, who is a 2nd plt commander, and your driver-PO Martin. No other UMOS are mentioned in the question at all. All 4 answer choices, however, refer to an actor named "PO Omar". It is impossible to determine what action by this actor would be the best/ most correct one, since no information is provided regarding this actor- whether he is present at the scene, his duty status, assignment etc. Therefore, question # 62 has no correct answer.

# 63 is based on PG 215-08 I.O.16 and addresses the topic of when the Arrest Report Supplement needs to be prepared for PINS. It provides 4 choices (intoxicated 16 years old juvenile PINS, 16 years old juvenile PINS found in the house of prostitution, 16 years old juvenile PINS who is stranded, 16 years old PINS who is a runaway).The question asks when would the Arrest Report Supplement not be prepared. The question is written based on the test-writer's incorrect reading of this procedure. Arrest Report Supplement is prepared for PINS who is 16 or 17 years old, as per 215-08 I.O.16. No other "qualifiers" are provided or required for that. All 4 answer choices refer to a list that follows the statement in 215-08 I.O. 16 re: preparation of Arrest Report Supplement for PINS who are 16 or 17 y.o. (runaway juvenile, stranded juvenile, intoxicated juvenile, juvenile under 16 years of age found in a house of prostitution etc); however that list is not related to the 16 or 17 y.o. PINS. Its just a continuation of a list of situations when Juvenile Report needs to be prepared. Indeed, note re: preparing Arrest Report Supplement for 16 or 17 y.o. PINS follows step c). of that list. Furthermore, all 4 answer choices refer to a "16 years old juvenile'. According to P.G. 215-08 I.O.16 juvenile is over 7 but less then 16 years of age.therefore, question # 63hasno correct answer (or depending on one's reading of it, all 4 answer choices are equally correct.)

#89 is the much-disputed "E-day question". the answer proposed on the DCAS answer key puts the actor, "Lt Holland" in direct violation of P.G.203-03 point 2 that states "obey lawful orders and instructions of supervising officers". he "no excusals for the next 6 tours' Finest msg is a lawful order issued by someone who outranks the actor in the question, "Lt Holland", since such Finest msgs are usually sent by the authority of the Chief of Department. On the other hand, answer choice C (asking the UMOS requesting the e-day if another member of his family is available to provide care for his child), provides an option of handling the situation in a constructive manner; assisting the UMOS in finding other options to get care for his child, while not putting the actor in the stem of the question in violation of P.G.

#100 deals with a situation when the actor (administrative supervisor of some kind) has to get a highly important report prepared in an accurate and expeditious manner. the proposed answer choice involves this actor authorizing overtime. This answer is in direct violation of P.G.205-17 definition point a), that stated that non-ordered overtime is not authorized for administrative duties on any level. It is also in violation of point b). of definition -same procedure, that states that ordered overtime can only be authorized by PC, 1st Dep. Comm or Chief of Dept.

Good luck with your protest, everyone!

That quest should b a throw out.  Even without the CO's memo denying e days for the next 6 tours. Granting an e day is discretionary no matter wht the reason is. Denying someone an eday can never b a wrong answer. It doesnt say anywhere in the dept "manuel" that u have to grant someone an eday. Granting an eday is based on the discretion of the DO.

Meso18 are you saying that question #90 can't be protested ?

I'm sorry I was referring to your post on #12 svu question on the 4th post from the top

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I'm sorry I was referring to your post on #12 svu question on the 4th post from the top

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Special Victims question was # 67. I am not saying 67 CAN'T be protested, I'm just saying that I don't have a valid defense of MY answer. The question said the desk officer will do all of the following except: Answer A: (the correct answer) notify special victims squad. Choice C: (my incorrect answer) complete captions on aided report worksheet. For this question, the D.O. will call Queens Child Abuse Squad, not SVS (making A the right answer). PG 215-02 step 6 under Desk Officer states:Complete captions on AIDED REPORT WORKSHEET and process in normal manner (making C a bad choice). I don't know what the answers were for choice B or choice D, so I can't comment on the possibility of those being easily protested.

-- Edited by Mes018 on Tuesday 6th of December 2011 02:42:35 AM

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Agreed. I was pissed about this question but when I re-read it I realized they beat me fair and square. That one procedure actually has the line "desk officer completes captions on an aided." I saw svu, knew it had to be queens child abuse and still picked d.o. Completing captions on the aided as the "bad" answer.

-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Tuesday 6th of December 2011 02:57:59 AM

I only asked to make sure we were on the same page because I agree. Just another cheap shot.