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Bigsteel wrote:

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I marked on my answer key #23 was the question with the fire. Don't remember what I answered but one of the choices had to do with setting up a command post. Somebody posted 23 being the Sgt/ gun question.

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Can anyone else confirm that 23 was the fire question?  I got this wrong and I was pretty sure about my answer for the fire.

PFB wrote:

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Would it be possible to make a thread with templated word documents attached outlining protests for questions? Many Sergeants will benifit from downloading the templates and sending them in.

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 i am working on it. i just really need everyones help in remembering crazy questions, and the # that a lot of people got wrong.  I now have 4 questions we can all write educated " proper" english protests. the only way this could be fair to all and get the most at the protest session is if a lot of people protest the same questions ( with reason of caurse). youe can still protest other questions, but we all have to protest the ones we come up with.

#26 79% of us got this one wrong= Aided at a nursing home...
The nursing question needs to be protested for several reasons.  First, the ambulance did not arrive while the cops were on the scene, THEREFORE, the cops cannot make an activity log of the ACR# because you were not provided with that information.  According to the guide and common knowledge the ACR# is used when an ambulance removes an aided and a PCR# is used when an aided is removed by other means.Second, there is no indication that it was routine sick and the guide describes aided cases that require police response as injury, cardiac, DOA, etc.

#47 Dept. Veh. Accident. 217-06. Goes thru a read light. " give CD" or send for retraining. ( Start thinking of the write ups) #47 =79% of us got it wrong  (CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCDDDDDBB) most pick C everyone thing and write out as much as you could . i will put it together and post it for everyone to see.

#89 is The E-day Question  ( lets confirm this) PO Called the Desk, New LT asked for E-Day new born baby with a high fever, I said B have a relative take the baby. This is a judgment Q. #89= 51% worng ( eday question) 97% put B as the Answer. " tell the cop to find a relative to take the baby"

#18 I think is the Strip Seach asking the D.O.
Narco cop asks DO to conduct a strip search.  62% of us got this one wrong . let confirm this. please only post if you are sure.  Most put Ans. A or D.... this could be a throw out. so we all get it.

Everyday I scan this site looking for info. i really need your help. with remembering. getting all the info correct. and sections from th PG. AND i need someone who " reads writes and understands proper english to help us all write it up"

Im not gonna discourage you from fighting #18, but new i.o states that you obtain permission from immediate supervisor or borough court section.

area1 wrote:

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oneadditional wrote:

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Juvy, dept Motor Vehicle Accident and possible the transit question

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one additional, help us out , write it out the best way you can remember. and if you remeber the Q#. to see if most got it wrong. .. NYG37= do you remeber the the Q# for those your asking about? i dont think we can really fight the PINS. question. what do you think?

why i keep asking for the Q# is because if you got it right, no need to protest it , but if most got it wrong and it was a bad question then we can protest. 

The hair clip Question i think will be a Double answer.  Some have said that is was question # 52 . if thats the case ...62% of us got that one wrong. thats an easy one to protest. have a copy of the PG Section and page # about Tattoo. POST IT IF YOU GOT IT.

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Haha. The PINS question is the easiest throw out.

NYG37 wrote:

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Im not gonna discourage you from fighting #18, but new i.o states that you obtain permission from immediate supervisor or borough court section.

-- Edited by NYG37 on Thursday 24th of November 2011 01:53:55 AM

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NYG.. thats the ans. i picked and i got it wrong. what what was the right answer to # 18. ?

oneadditional wrote:

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Pins is a done deal already. Just add 1 to your score

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 ok. great i hope so. i dont remember it .

area1 wrote:

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oneadditional wrote:

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Pins is a done deal already. Just add 1 to your score

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 ok. great i hope so. i dont remember it .

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 then why would you bother writing that you don't think it can be fought?

MakeTheList wrote:

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If it help any w/ figuring out questions here are some notes my hubby has...killed himself studying....91 on 09 Sgt. test....64 on this test....makes no sense.....

Anway, here are the notes he has pertaining to which question is which.....

5. ECB Summons

8. F.I.O.

18. Strip Search

21. Prisoner Prescription Meds.

22. 212-18

23. 205- 47 Removal Restoration

24. 210-01 Prisoner Visit

26. 216- Nursing Home

28. ID Theft

29. 217-13 Accident

30. 211-07

34. Safe Store

35. 208-37

36. 212-96

42. 212-37 Haz-Mat

43. Bribery

44. 205-08

47. 217 Dept. Vehicle Accident

48. 212-38

50. 205-30

51. 206-08

59. 211-09

61. 218-06

63. 215-08

63. Missing

79. Abeyance

Hope this helps any...

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WOW Great Job... MakeTheList. will will look into all of these. thanks.

area1 wrote:

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MakeTheList wrote:

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If it help any w/ figuring out questions here are some notes my hubby has...killed himself studying....91 on 09 Sgt. test....64 on this test....makes no sense.....

Anway, here are the notes he has pertaining to which question is which.....

5. ECB Summons

8. F.I.O.

18. Strip Search

21. Prisoner Prescription Meds.

22. 212-18

23. 205- 47 Removal Restoration

24. 210-01 Prisoner Visit

26. 216- Nursing Home

28. ID Theft

29. 217-13 Accident

30. 211-07

34. Safe Store

35. 208-37

36. 212-96

42. 212-37 Haz-Mat

43. Bribery

44. 205-08

47. 217 Dept. Vehicle Accident

48. 212-38

50. 205-30

51. 206-08

59. 211-09

61. 218-06

63. 215-08

63. Missing

79. Abeyance

Hope this helps any...

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WOW Great Job... MakeTheList. will will look into all of these. thanks.

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Silly question--obviously you are allowed to bring your answer key to the protest session in order to see the ones you got wrong...correct??

I don't remember the question number, but i probably got it wrong. Some good points provided here.  Also think of this, what if you're a registered domestic partner couples, do you mean to tell me they can't be a reporter ? Definitely protestable question, point is well covered by cournhole. Thanks.

unborn wrote:

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I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion of question #40 - the truck accident on the bridge. Can anyone explain how if you have two qualifying vehicles that only one supplement should be prepared? That was the DCAS answer... am I missing something?

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 biohazard placard wasn't displayed. Therefore, not a Qual. Vehicle.

2. c

3. D

5. C

15. D

17. C

18 A

21 C

23 A

26 D

29 B

35 A

36 D

37 C

39 C

40 D

41 C

43 D

45 C

47 C

56 A

58 D

60 A

63 A

64 D

66 D

67 C

78 B

84 B

87 C

89 B

93 D

99 D

100 C

Thanks for this information.  I'm scheduled for Nov. 30th, now I know what to expect and what to do. 

I've been sick for the last few days, Sorry. I said i will have the top ten list done.  I have used all of the different postings and put them together. it is not what i planned, but i hope this will help some of the people going in to protest tomorrow. Make sur you change the wording.

#89 E-Day question for cop called new LT on the desk ask for an E-Day new born with high fever

#89 Conflicts with Department guidelines and procedures. There was a COs memo that stated no E-days for a particular group of officers with excessive e-days.  An answer to give the officer the E-Day will be going against the Commanding Officers orders. And can or may result in disciplinary action. If this is a judgments question, it conflicts with. Patrol Guide Procedure. 203-20 in the Additional Data..It states, the requesting uniformed member of the service must receive approval from the desk officer on duty at the time of the request. A denial of an E-Day by the desk officer is a final decision. If the request is denied, members are prohibited from attempting to receive approval of the same request from another supervisor and may be subject to disciplinary action.

Commanding officers will ensure that supervisors are aware of the commands criteria

for the granting of E-Days. This includes, but is not limited to, the reason for requested excusal, number of emergency day requests made by the member, and the operational

impact on the command.

A desk officer does not have the authority to approve or deny an E-day in this question, because the Commanding Officer did set criteria for approving E-days. A judgments question should never conflict with lawful orders of higher authority. In this situation the answer to deny should be correct. But, the stem of the question they did not have an option for the desk officer call the commanding officer for clarification in this officers situation. That would have been the most correct answer.  Therefore, the question should be disqualified as there is no correct or best answer based on the facts provided in the question.  

PATROL GUIDE

Section: General Regulations Procedure No: 203-20

AUTHORIZED LEAVE

DATE ISSUED: DATE EFFECTIVE: REVISION NUMBER: PAGE:

05/06/11 05/13/11 11-02 1 of 2

MEMBER OF

THE SERVICE

REQUESTING

AUTHORIZED

LEAVE

1. Prepare LEAVE OF ABSENCE REPORT (PD433-041) and submit tocommanding officer/supervisory head, for approval, at least five (5) daysbefore leave commences except in emergency.

a. Uniformed and civilian members of the service must complete the

Location During Absence section on the LEAVE OF ABSENCE

REPORT including each country, with the city/town or province

where the member will be staying, date(s) of departure and date of

return, unless on military leave or leave of absence without pay

thirty (30) calendar days or more

b. If member will remain at their residence, member will enter

residence and include location and dates

c. Prior to approving recommendation for leave, commanding

officer/supervisory head will ensure that each country, with the

city/town or province where the member will be staying is entered

in Location During Absence section of LEAVE OF ABSENCE

REPORT.

2. Leaves may be terminated at discretion of Police Commissioner.

3. Member who is granted extended leave of absence without pay must take

all accrued leave prior to the start of leave of absence, except for military

leave.

4. Leave without pay for thirty (30) or more consecutive days during a year,

except military leave, will reduce authorized vacation by 1/12th for each

thirty (30) consecutive days of absence.

5. Member returning from leave without pay for one (1) year or more may

not be granted unaccrued vacation until member performs active duty for

a minimum of three (3) months, unless otherwise authorized by law.

6. A member of the service (uniformed or civilian) applying for any

extended leave, e.g., educational leave with or without pay, hardship

leave, etc., is required to communicate with the Military and Extended

Leave Desk for instructions.

7. Leave without pay may be granted to observe a religious holiday. No

more than 1/6th of each squad may be granted such leave.

ADDITIONAL  DATA              

If an emergency situation arises and a uniformed member of the service requests an

emergency excusal day (E-Day) for his/her next scheduled tour of duty, the requesting

uniformed member of the service must receive approval from the desk officer on duty at

the time of the request.

Members of the service may only request an E-Day during the interval between the members

last tour of duty performed and the start of their next scheduled tour of duty.

All other requests for a leave of absence, that does not fall under the guidelines for an E-Day, will

be submitted on a LEAVE OF ABSENCE REPORT to the members commanding

officer/supervisory head

ADDITIONAL

DATA

(continued)

FORMS AND

REPORTS

Once a decision has been rendered regarding the E-Day request, the desk officer will

make an entry on the Roll Call Adjustment (Misc. 3084). The entry will consist of the

requesting members rank, name and whether the E-Day request was granted or denied.

If the E-Day has been granted, the desk officer will ensure a LEAVE OF ABSENCE

REPORT is prepared for the requesting member.

A denial of an E-Day by the desk officer is a final decision. If the request is denied,

members are prohibited from attempting to receive approval of the same request from

another supervisor and may be subject to disciplinary action.

Commanding officers will ensure that supervisors are aware of the commands criteria

for the granting of E-Days. This includes, but is not limited to, the reason for requested

excusal, number of emergency day requests made by the member, and the operational

impact on the command.

LEAVE OF ABSENCE REPORT (PD433-

Question #47 - Dept Vehicle Accident

Question #47 presented a scenario where a patrol sector was responding to an emergency assignment and the operator made a decision to proceed through a steady red traffic light at a constant speed. The sirens and turret lights were utilized during the response. The department auto was involved in a vehicle accident with a truck after proceeding through the red light. The question mentioned that the operator of the truck was unable to apply the brakes in order to stop in time. The truck was struck by the department auto. The answer posted by DCAS was: to find the operator at fault and not send the operator to driver retraining. The choices were as follows (unsure of order):

1. find operator not at fault and do not send to driver retraining
2. find operator not at fault and send to driver retraining
3. find operator at fault and send to driver retraining
4. find operator at fault and do not send to driver retraining

The above determination is the duty and responsibility of the Precinct Commander/Duty Captain, and cannot be inferred to be a duty or responsibility of a lieutenant unless somehow stated in the exact question. There was no mention of a lieutenant otherwise assuming the responsibility in the fact pattern. (P.G. 217-06 step #19 and Note following step #19)

In addition, "all proposed disciplinary action will be indicated on the Accident Report-Police Department Vehicle as a recommendation" as per P.G. 217-06 Additional Data. The recommendation section is not the responsibility of a lieutenant.

Also, by no means does P.G. 217-06 determine who MUST be sent to Driver's retraining. The Additional Data section only mentions "Driver retraining should be implemented" Again, Commanding Officers and commanders are referenced throughout the Additional Data section. Furthermore, P.G. 217-06 step #35 is the duty of the Precinct Commander and states "Implement disciplinary (or other) action, if warranted. Again, this is not a lieutenant duty or responsibility."

The Additional Data's last paragraph reports that disciplinary action would be more appropriate than driver retraining for those members of the service who are involved in vehicle accidents which occurred as a result of their unsafe disregard of such regulations (i.e. proceeding past a steady red signal, but only after slowing down, etc), as opposed to the member clearly having deficient driving skills. Again, this evaluation is NOT a duty and responsibility of a lieutenant in response to a Department vehicle accident. There is no way to determine which answer is correct, most correct or most appropriate in this question's scenario. The question should be disqualified as there is no correct or best answer based on the facts provided in the question.

PG 217-06 Additional Data

Members of the service who were involved in Department vehicle accidents in which it has been determined that the members driving ability was a contributory factor to the incident would benefit from the Driver Training Unit's "Accident Retraining Course." However, depending upon the circumstances, other corrective measures such as disciplinary action may be more appropriate. Therefore, to insure that only those members who would benefit are scheduled for retraining, the following guidelines are offered. Driver retraining should be implemented only if the operator of a Department vehicle is determined to be at fault due to a driving deficiency, based on factors such as:

a. weather conditions which affect the road surface

b. loss of control

c. backing

d. fender judgment

e. mirror usage (vans)

f. avoiding obstructions, debris, potholes

g. braking

h. turn negotiation

Commanding officers are reminded that the Driver Training Unit is a tool best utilized to improve a members overall driving performance. It should not be viewed as disciplinary action. The Commanding Officer, Driver Training Unit, is available to all commanders for conferral whether scheduling a specific member for retraining would be appropriate.

New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law (Section 1104 A - V.T.L.) allows the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, when involved in an emergency operation, to disregard regulations with certain conditions. These conditions include proceeding past a steady red signal, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe operation, or exceeding the maximum speed limits as long as life and property are not endangered. However, it should be noted that disciplinary action would be more appropriate than driver retraining for those members who are involved in vehicle accidents which occurred as a result of their unsafe disregard of such regulations, as opposed to the member merely having deficient driving skills.

step 35. Implement disciplinary (or other) action, if warranted.......is listed under Precinct Commander.......It is not a Sgt/Lt. or even XO duty to determine or implement any disciplinary or other action as a result of this accident. They can only determine fault.

Walk-In Request for PAR Protest

(Is it true that in ALL cases a complainant walking into to a Pct. to report a Leaving the Scene of an Accident with Injuries sustained by the complainant will be referred to the Pct. of Occurrence for both the PAR and Complaint Report? Do the 3 criteria (injury and reported within last 5 days, serious injury/death or commercial vehicle stipulation) have any bearing on whether you always refer the walk-in to the Pct. of Occurrence? )

The last paragraph does not stand alone, and cannot be read as its own special guideline for requests made in person. The Additional Data has to be read as a complete section, and the three (3) criteria MUST be evaluated before any walk-in request is referred to the precinct of occurrence. All walk-in requests for a PAR are NOT sent to Precinct of Occurrence. There is a criterion that must be evaluated.

The requestor walked in with a broken hand and the time frame was reported as seven (7) days. The inference that the exam writer expected (which is the protest worthy area of this question) was that the broken hand was a serious injury.

217-13 Add Data

Uniformed members of the service are required by law to complete a Police Accident Report and investigate the facts whenever any person(s)/party appears at a police facility and reports the following:

ANY ACCIDENT which:

a. Results in serious injury or death to a person must be investigated in accordance with P.G. 217-02, "Vehicle Accidents Which Result in Death or Serious Injury and Likely to Die"

b. Results in injury to a person and the motor vehicle accident in question is being reported within five (5) days after such accident

c. Involves a commercial vehicle where the damage incurred is disabling enough to result in a vehicle being towed from the accident scene and the motor vehicle accident in question is being reported within five (5) days after such accident.

Regarding the above circumstances, if the criteria as stated are met, the person(s)/party requesting the completion of a Police Accident Report will be referred to the command where the accident took place. ONLY A UNIFORMED MEMBER OF THE SERVICE (UMOS) will prepare a Police Accident Report. The UMOS concerned will ask to view the vehicle in question (if available), and interview those claiming to be party to the accident (if present), before completing the Police Accident Report. In ALL cases, the UMOS must note in the "Accident Description/Officer's Notes" section of the Police Accident Report", whether or not they had the opportunity to actually view the vehicle or interview the person(s) involved in the accident."

I DONT KNOW WHAT QUESTION#

#64 Missing person Roommate

I am lodging a protest to Question #64 on Exam No. 1534 Promotion to Lieutenant (Police). My protest on the Missing Person question has its basis in the exact wording of Patrol Guide Procedure 207-23 Missing Persons. I feel the exam writers made a mistake by asking a question that has no clear definition within the procedure. The question on the Lieutenant Exam asked if a roommate could report someone missing (another roommate). While I do not argue that the definition of who qualifies as a missing person is clearly defined with PG 207-23, the definition of who can report is NOT. I think the exam writers opened themselves up to a protest on the grounds of the question being ambiguous and having no solid backing from the Patrol Guide.

PG 207-23 Note after step #1
 
A complainant could be, in addition to a member of the family, a legal or temporary guardian, a representative of the Board of Education, or a hospital administrator.
 

The above section of PG 207-23 does not use the words MUST, ONLY, CAN ONLY BE, ONLY PERMITTED TO BE, etc. The phrase "could be" is what appears in the Patrol Guide, therefore a roommate may be considered as an appropriate complainant based on the totality of the circumstances. The phrase "could be" does not mandate who is eligible to be a complainant in the matter of a missing person investigation. The question on the Lt Exam did not present any circumstances besides the roommate seeking to report his roommate missing. There is not enough information to disregard the roommate as a potential complainant in this matter, because there may be no other person available to in fact report a bonafide missing person case, which deserves appropriate police attention and response. If the correct choice, as per DCAS, is to deny to roommate from acting as the complainant, then I feel there is strong ground to protest the make up of this question. Whether or not the missing person was of sound mind or emotionally disturbed, or whether they haven't been accounted for in a few hours or multiple days/weeks/months was not provided in the question scenario.

HabidasheryAuto wrote:

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I chose do no supplementals and do not use the reference marker. Based on the fact that there was two qualifing vehicles. I got it wrong. 

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 What was the answer? If both vehicles were qualifying then you needed 2 supplements which wasn't a choice

I believe DCAS' right answer was to do one supplemental and do not use the reference marker. Im not 100 percent positive on that though. From what I remember of the question, they said the vehicle had a biohazard placard. They definately didnt say it WASNT displayed. I think it is an extremely protestable question.