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unborn · Guru

RE: POWER IN #'S TO PROTEST THE MORE PEOPLE THAT PROTEST THE SAME QUESTION THE BETTER.

18and1 · Senior Member

I honestly don't remember what questions where what #. the judgement question with ordering the ot is pretty much done. There was another judgement question with the crying PAA. I don't know what the right answer was. Someone did tell the correct answer was reassign your ADO. If so that's a easy fit. THERES NO SUCH POSITION AS AN ADO!!!!

18and1 · Senior Member

House party question on the in basket there was two answers that had all cops RDO as well as two cops that were van qualified.

MN50 · Senior Member

18and1 is correct, there were 2 right answers for that question

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

MN50 wrote:
18and1 is correct, there were 2 right answers for that question

One of the answers for the house party question incurred less overtime than the other.

LateRiser · Senior Member

3) A
6) B
7) C
13) C
15) A
17) C
18) D
20) C
21) D
25) B
26) C
28) A
29) B
35) A
36) A
37) D
45) B
47) C
50) B
52) A
56) A
58) D
61 thru 64 wrong that means including 61 and 64 lol
67) D
76) C
81) B
83) B
86) D
87) B
89) B
93) C

i got 66 and those were the wrong ones

area1 · Veteran Member

SO FAR WE HAVE 22 names that have submitted their wrong answers. I will recalculate and get back with the results. see below for the last results. these are the questions that most people got wrong. after i recalculate we will then analize the best questions to perpare for. REMEMBER AS A TEAM.

area1, pgsucks, boofinwork, innocent1, 90xGoodnight, Mes018, 18and1, NYG37, outat20, throwitout, karate kid, BXCOPPER33, habidasheryAuto, PFB, bigblu911, 1062Z, stillasgt , narco no more , neco9, razor1, nycop80, J Man

# 4 =90% wrong
#26 =80% wrong
#28 =90% wrong
#29 =60% wrong
#34 =80% wrong
#43 =60% wrong
#45 =60% wrong
#47 =80% wrong
#52 =70% wrong
#56 =90% wrong
#59 =70% wrong
#60 =50% wrong
#61 =90% wrong
#63 =70% wrong
#64 =70% wrong
#67 =50% wrong
#69 =60% wrong
#72 =50% wrong
#77 =70% wrong
#81 =60% wrong
#87 =50% wrong
#90 =60% wrong
#93 =60% wrong
#100 =70% wrong

TRY TO REMEMBER ANY OF THESE .

#26 = aided at a nursing home can someone please confirm if your sure it's # 26. = 80% got it wrong with ans. (DCCCBCDCCC) if this is the right question? How many put the answer as make a memo book entry and resume patrol? please only post if you have posted your worng questions and want to be part of this organized protest..

#28 Identity theft question.please confirm if your sure it's # 28 is the id theft. i dont remember how the question went. but, 90 % got this wrong. ( DADDADCCCCDAA) MOST PUT D

#47 was dept 53 with red ,let's try to confirm I THINK IT WAS A Judgement question.? ( (ccdccdcdcb) 80 % got this wrong.

area1 · Veteran Member

unborn wrote:
Thanks for the info area1 ... what do you mean make sure you know the question #? I thought they give you a test booklet there.

yes but you must refer to the Question # when you write it and a MUST if your mailing it. after the review. you can not leave with anything you write from there. only with the material you came with.

wereinbacklog · Guru

My wrong answers:

4) A
10) A
15) A
21) D
25) A
28) D
37) A
38) D
40) D
47) B
50) C
52) A
63) A
74) B
83) B
85) B
90) B

Horseman · Veteran Member

3. A
4. C
5. C
10. D
16. D
18. D
20. B
21.D
24. A
26. D
28. D
34. D
36. D
37. D
38. D
39. A
45. B
47. C
51. A
52. D
57. B
60. A
64. B
67. C
68. C
72. D
77. B
79. B
83. D
84. A
85. A
86. A
89. D

Horseman · Veteran Member

cry

-- Edited by Horseman on Tuesday 22nd of November 2011 11:18:15 PM

18and1 · Senior Member

OkeeDokee wrote:
MN50 wrote:
18and1 is correct, there were 2 right answers for that question
One of the answers for the house party question incurred less overtime than the other.

They gave u an OT authorization code for the detail

smartcookie · Senior Member

1. D

4. C

18. D

20. C

21. D

23. A

24. A

26. D

27. D

38. A

29. B

33. C

34. A

37. D

38. A

43. D

45. B

47. C

51. A

55. C

56. C

57. D

58. D

59. B

60. A

61. C

62. C

63. D

64. B

66. D

77. B

83. B

89. B

90. B

91. D

93. D

95. A

100. C

qwerty123 · Member

Definitely. I just wanted to be sure that everyone understands that it takes a good argument to protest a question and that it is the quality of the argument, not how many people make it that counts.

qwerty123 · Member

area1 wrote:
qwerty123 wrote:
IMHO: The number of people that protest a question has no bearing on whether it is thrown out. Take your time and write thoughtful, persuasive explanations supporting the answer you think should be credited. For PG related questions, your protest must cite the PG section accurately. For judgment questions you must clearly and persuasively explain why your answer was the MOST correct. Very few of the judgment questions had clear errors (like the authorizing overtime one. I chose the "correct" answer but I knew it was wrong). Ultimately they will adjust the numbers to get a reasonablly large list; your goal should be to give them support for crediting the answers you got wrong so that you benefit from the changes. Don't let your emotions get the better of you at the protest. Do not waste time protesting the questions that made you angry, protest the ones that you can clearly argue against. Keep in mind that an answer may be a correct statement or a sound policy, but does not respond to the call of the question. I will be writing protests for the entire 6 hours because there were so many poorly written questions but there were also a lot of simply difficult questions (there always are). I hope in the end most of the people that studied hard and made tremendous sacrifices make the list. I am lucky to be on the good side of 70 but I am still furious that the test was such a curve ball. When you study hard you should do well, when you don't study hard you should fail. Traditionally, even with all of its faults, the test was usually fair in that sense.
I totally agree with you. But dont you thing we will have a better chance of getting a questiond thrown out if we all as a team target a bad question together. And as a team work on getting all the right material, to properly protest it with valid arguments? that what we are trying to do here. Let all figure the top ten bad questions to fight. and each person can also protest other questions too. But as a team lets try to all fight at least 10 of the same questions.

Meant to quote this in my last post.

unborn · Guru

3: A overtime detail
10: C e-day
15: D ??

21: C medical treatment of prisoner
22: B transit hostage
23: A remove guns from crazy sgt ??
26: C aided in the nursing home
28: C id theft
40: D 53 on bridge
45: B ??
50: C dole test
52: A tattoo
58: D pregnancy
63: C PINS
75: D ??
83: B ??
90: B dismissal probation paragraph, not sure how I dropped that one

If anyone remembers what the substance of the other questions it would help

-- Edited by unborn on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 12:29:17 AM

-- Edited by unborn on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 11:59:25 AM

smartcookie · Senior Member

qwerty123 wrote:
Definitely. I just wanted to be sure that everyone understands that it takes a good argument to protest a question and that it is the quality of the argument, not how many people make it that counts.

I agree.

Lostinspace · Veteran Member

1.d
2.b
4.c
15.d
18.d
20.c
21.b
23.a
27.c
28.d
36.c
37.c
39.a
45.c
47.c
52.c
58.d
63.d
68.b
70.b
71.d
77.d
79.d
80.c
83.b
85.a
87.c
89.b
90.b
91.a
100.c

Mes018 · Senior Member

Nice work, unborn.

Mel · Member

unborn wrote:
3: A overtime detail
10: C e-day
15: D ??

21: C medical treatment of prisoner
22: B transit hostage
23: A remove guns from crazy sgt ??
26: C aided in the nursing home
28: C id theft
40: D 53 on bridge
45: B ??
50: C ??
52: A tattoo
58: D pregnancy
63: C PINS
75: D ??
83: B ??
90: B abeyance, not sure how I dropped that one

If anyone remembers what the substance of the other questions it would help

Are you positive that #90 is the abeyance question? I'm positive I picked suspension and according to my answer key i got 90 wrong.

Mes018 · Senior Member

Mel wrote:
unborn wrote:
3: A overtime detail
10: C e-day
15: D ??

21: C medical treatment of prisoner
22: B transit hostage
23: A remove guns from crazy sgt ??
26: C aided in the nursing home
28: C id theft
40: D 53 on bridge
45: B ??
50: C ??
52: A tattoo
58: D pregnancy
63: C PINS
75: D ??
83: B ??
90: B abeyance, not sure how I dropped that one

If anyone remembers what the substance of the other questions it would help
Are you positive that #90 is the abeyance question? I'm positive I picked suspension and according to my answer key i got 90 wrong.

Same here.

unborn · Guru

Mel wrote:
Are you positive that #90 is the abeyance question? I'm positive I picked suspension and according to my answer key i got 90 wrong.

My mistake. It was the question where you had to interpret that whole paragraph on dismissal probation.

Sgtwife · Newbie

I'm doing this for my husband. I'm so proud of him. He worked so hard and I want him to have every chance to get promoted. He got a 65. These are his wrong answers:
1.d
5.c
6.a
7.d
15.d
18.a
21.d
25.a
26.d
28.c
34.a
35.a
37.c
38.a
40.b
43.a
44.d
45.b
47.d
50.b
52.a
55.b
56.a
58.c
59.b
60.c
62.c
63.d
64.c
68.c
71.a
87.c
89.b
97.a
100.c

PFB · Veteran Member

90 can"t be abeyance. I picked B also and knew suspension was the answer.

Also the nursing home # 26 i picked C it wasnt a routine sick send an rmp

NYG37 · Senior Member

I'm not one of these conspiracy theory nuts, but i strongly believe that dcas will run the numbers to make an appropriate size list and then will determine what questions to throw out to accommodate that goal. I'm certain that most of this protests will be in vein. Guys who only missed it by a point or two will benefit, people like myself with 66 or lower shouldn't hold their breath.

PFB · Veteran Member

If the question is bad they have to correct it. I see them tossing about 5 with many double answers.

64 makes it!

HB · Senior Member

NYG37 wrote:
I'm not one of these conspiracy theory nuts, but i strongly believe that dcas will run the numbers to make an appropriate size list and then will determine what questions to throw out to accommodate that goal. I'm certain that most of this protests will be in vein. Guys who only missed it by a point or two will benefit, people like myself with 66 or lower shouldn't hold their breath.

Your crazy. 66 and above have a really good shot of making it depending on the questions they got wrong of course.

18and1 · Senior Member

Is 90 the abeyance question? I put suspended or suspension but got the question wrong.

TunnelRat · Member

2. d
4. c
7. c
15. c
17. c
21. a
28. c
29. b
34. a
35. a
36. a
40. d
45. b
56. d
58. d
61. c
62. c
63. d
67. d
83. c
84. c
87. c
89. b
90. b

unborn · Guru

18and1 wrote:
Is 90 the abeyance question? I put suspended or suspension but got the question wrong.

I think it was the dismissal probation paragraph.

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

I look at it this way, say approximately 200 passed, thats an embaressment to the department just like the lowball captains test and also the fact that they do look for a certain number in a list, in my opinion i would think the dept was looking for anywhere from500-700 person list. Now, if you have a bunch of angry Sgt's who sacrificed and studied hard and knew there stuff and failed put a class action lawsuit against the exam for questions that are subjective and are open for opinion based "correct answers" that would be exactly what the department DOES NOT WANT!!! Why?, because that will delay this list for at least cpl years and then they would not be able to give another test until our test is settled. I have a good feeling that they will throw out a good amount of questions that majority got wrong in order to prevent a class action lawsuit from happening, remember the captains test threw away approx 7 questions and then trippl and dbl answers for another 8 only to add another 100 ppl to the list because the 50 that passed wasnt enough and also an embarressment that it made the daily news. Whats my point in my rant, we have 6 hours to dispute questions so we should dispute as many as possible that majority got wrong! We studied too hard not to go one last round, talk is cheap but i hope that we do see 600 ppl at these protests making a stand!!!

ImDrained · Senior Member

I will be there for sure, I need 5 points and I will have at least a 70.......

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

One more thing! I see so many people bow down to the grammar questions and say they are not disputable, I thought they were the most disputable! Look at who was making these tests people who cant spell properly in real life on 49's and everything else and they want to test you on whats gramatically correct. Lets be honest most people in this department use quick check or check the interenet when there unsure about spelling or ask someone else.

Every question that i can remember with grammar had either PO, LT, SGT in an aswer or body of a paragraph. that would be grammatically incorrect if you want to play that way it should be P.O. LT. SGT. So now tell me whats grammatically correct because technically none of them were and those are just examples of 101 that they f@cked up

ImDrained · Senior Member

good point,

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

another one that was an error on there part and should definitely be thrown out was the ecb summons in the inbasket! I dont know how many people remembered this but a few did, the calendar provided by dcas had an error on it. I think it was a typo but so what, they used nov 8th twice and skipped 9th and if i remember correctly there were no holidays listed on the calendar and there are a couple in november. I believe ecb return dates your not to include holidays and weekends in counting. I could be wrong but just for the fact that they had a typo on the calendar it should be tossed for screwing with our heads cause it did with mine.

WANNABELT · Veteran Member

90xGoodnight wrote:
One more thing! I see so many people bow down to the grammar questions and say they are not disputable, I thought they were the most disputable! Look at who was making these tests people who cant spell properly in real life on 49's and everything else and they want to test you on whats gramatically correct. Lets be honest most people in this department use quick check or check the interenet when there unsure about spelling or ask someone else.

Every question that i can remember with grammar had either PO, LT, SGT in an aswer or body of a paragraph. that would be grammatically incorrect if you want to play that way it should be P.O. LT. SGT. So now tell me whats grammatically correct because technically none of them were and those are just examples of 101 that they f@cked up

Most people refer to the patrol guide app on their iphone when they encounter an obscure situation and want to follow the PG to the letter. Most people loosely follow the guide in most situations.

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

but fortunately for us this test wasnt about being loose it was about being accurate and by them trying to be slick actually made little mistakes that believe will backfire on them!

area1 · Veteran Member

18and1 wrote:
Is 90 the abeyance question? I put suspended or suspension but got the question wrong.

as per Dictionary.com =

noun

1.

temporary inactivity, cessation, or suspension: Let's hold that problem in abeyance for a while.

LOL then this may be another throw out.

outat20 · Senior Member

area1 wrote:
18and1 wrote:
Is 90 the abeyance question? I put suspended or suspension but got the question wrong.
as per Dictionary.com =
a·bey·ance
noun
1.
temporary inactivity, cessation, or suspension: Let's hold that problem in abeyance for a while.
LOL then this may be another throw out.

so what was the dcas answer then?

HabidasheryAuto · Senior Member

I definately put suspension as well. Choice B for 90. Are we sure 90 was abeyance? If so, that is the one point I need for the 70.

area1 · Veteran Member

BELOW ARE THE NEW Caluclations. now all we have to do is try to remember the questions, and see if they are protestable and if a lot of us got it wrong, thats how we will make up the TOP TEN LIST to protest.

a few new ones made the list and some came out. based on what most people got wrong.

# 4 =65% wrong

#15= 86% wrong ( new to the list)

#18=62% ( new to the list)

#21= 75% wrong ( new to list)

#26 =79% wrong

#28 =89% wrong

#29 =44% wrong ( most picked B)

#34 =68% wrong

#37=72% wrong (new)

#43 =58% wrong

#45 =62% wrong (most picked B as the Answer) FYI

#47 =79% wrong

#52 =62% wrong

#56 =82% wrong ( most picked A)

#59 =70% wrong

#60 =50% wrong

#61 =75% wrong

#63 =75% wrong * went up

#64 =72% wrong

#67 =51% wrong

#77 =58% wrong

#90 =58% wrong

#93 =48% wrong

#100 =70% wrong

COMPARE WITH THESE

3: A overtime detail
10: C e-day
15: D ??
21: C medical treatment of prisoner
22: B transit hostage
23: A remove guns from crazy sgt ??
26: C aided in the nursing home
28: C id theft
40: D 53 on bridge
45: B ??
50: C ??
52: A tattoo
58: D pregnancy
63: C PINS
75: D ??
83: B ??
90: B abeyance, no

A SPECIAL THANKS TO UNBORN FOR PROVIDING THE ONES IN RED 7 MADE THE LIST OF THE MOST WRONG KEEP THEM COMING.. WE WILL HAVE A TOP TEN LIST IN A FEW DAYS. WHICH WILL GIVE US TIME PREPARE THE PROTEST...

UNBORN , SEND ME YOU WRONG ANSWERS SO I CAN ADD YOU TO THE LIST..

area1 · Veteran Member

Mes018 wrote:
Mel wrote:

unborn wrote:
3: A overtime detail
10: C e-day
15: D ??

21: C medical treatment of prisoner
22: B transit hostage
23: A remove guns from crazy sgt ??
26: C aided in the nursing home
28: C id theft
40: D 53 on bridge
45: B ??
50: C ??
52: A tattoo
58: D pregnancy
63: C PINS
75: D ??
83: B ??
90: B abeyance, not sure how I dropped that one

If anyone remembers what the substance of the other questions it would help
Are you positive that #90 is the abeyance question? I'm positive I picked suspension and according to my answer key i got 90 wrong.

Same here.

IF # 28 IS THE ID THEFT QUESTION THIS MAY HELP. ON PROTEST DAY.

Identity Theft (Misd.) + Petit Larceny = Petit Larceny

Identity Theft (Fel.) + Petit Larceny = Id. Theft (Fel.)

Identity Theft (Misd.) + Grand Larceny = Grand Larceny

Identity Theft (Fel.) + Grand Larceny = Grand Larceny

Criminal Impersonation (Misd.) + Petit Larceny = Petit Larceny

Criminal Impersonation (Fel.) + Petit Larceny = Crim. Imp (Fel.) Forgery (Misd.) + Petit Larceny = Petit Larceny

Forgery (Fel.) + Petit Larceny = Forgery (Felony)

Forgery (Fel.) + Grand Larceny = Grand Larceny

CPSP (Fel.) + Grand Larceny = Grand Larceny

Identity Theft (IT)

Identity Theft is committed when a person knowingly and with intent to defraud assumes the identity of another person by presenting himself or herself as that other person, or by acting as that other person or by using personal identifying information of that other person,

and

Elements Classification

Obtains goods, money, property or services, or IT - "A" misdemeanor

uses credit in the victims name, or causes If a larceny is also committed

financial loss to the victim or to another person, or the offense will be:

commits a Class "A" misdemeanor or higher level Petit Larceny if $500 or less;

crime IT "E" felony if more than

$500 to $1000;

Grand Larceny if >$1000

- If identity used in furtherance of an act of terrorism IT "E" felony

If a larceny is also committed

the offense will be:

Identity Theft if $500 or less;

Grand Larceny if >$1000

Obtains goods or services, uses credit in victims IT - "E" felony

name, or causes financial loss to the victim in an If a larceny is also committed

amount over $500, or commits or attempts to the offense will be:

commit a felony, or acts as an accessory to the Identity Theft if more than

commission of a felony $500 and up to $1000;

Grand Larceny if >$1000

- If identity used in furtherance of an act of terrorism IT "D" felony

If a larceny is also committed

the offense will be:

area1 · Veteran Member

Grand Larceny

neco9 · Veteran Member

i'm almost positive that number 90 is not the abeyance question. I picked that it meant suspension and I looked it up in the dictionary and that is what it said. the other choices were way off. I got 90 wrong.

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

Petit larceny. Wasting ink protesting that.

-- Edited by OkeeDokee on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 07:00:07 PM

Bigsteel · Member

I marked on my answer key #23 was the question with the fire. Don't remember what I answered but one of the choices had to do with setting up a command post. Somebody posted 23 being the Sgt/ gun question.

PFB · Veteran Member

Would it be possible to make a thread with templated word documents attached outlining protests for questions? Many Sergeants will benifit from downloading the templates and sending them in.

Mrclean · Member

good idea....i don't know how....but area1 plz help

HB · Senior Member

neco9 wrote:
i'm almost positive that number 90 is not the abeyance question. I picked that it meant suspension and I looked it up in the dictionary and that is what it said. the other choices were way off. I got 90 wrong.

U wrote down or bubbled the wrong answer most likely. Hey it happens....

WANNABELT · Veteran Member

OkeeDokee wrote:
Petit larceny. Wasting ink protesting that.

-- Edited by OkeeDokee on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 07:00:07 PM

No because most of us got it wrong. Power in numbers.