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nycn8tive wrote:

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MamaBear wrote:

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TimeForChange wrote:

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Anyone here need the "month/quarterly evaluation question" (in-basket) protested? I believe that it's definitely has a chance to get thrown out IF and a BIG "IF", the stem of the question did not indicate whether or not the desk sgt. was DESIGNATED to do the eval.
Semp1 or anyone that went to the protest; Do you guys remember what question that was? How was the question written? Was the word "DESIGNATED" even in the stem of the question? Thanks guys.

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 It was either 7 or 10... Cause those are the only two in basket questions I got wrong and I know that one was the LOD I missed, cause I missed the 28 being denied... But I could use that ONE POINT! 

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 I can use the point as well. I have 7 and 10 wrong also..and that question threw me off. It didn't seem to fit in with the in-basket to me. It was out of no where the Desk Sgt decided to do an eval on an officer, because he had time on his hand or something.

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 Yea, totally off the wall... it had me baffled as well... A lot of people in my command who did get that question correct said they just had a lucky guess... Not to discredit anyone who actually did know the answer, lol...

TimeForChange wrote:

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Can one of you reach out to someone, anyone who remembers exactly what number that question was and what it said verbatim?

Like I said before, had the question just simply stated which of the following "inside people" gets a monthly/quarterly eval, it'd had been fair, square and straightforward. I totally agree, it should not had been in the in-basket. Now the problem is; was the desk sergeant ORDERED or DESIGNATED as the rater in the stem of the question? If he was NEITHER, then that question has NO correct answer since none of the 4 officers were in his squad (B-1) or under his direct supervision. Refer to PG sect. 202 Duty of Desk Officer and PG sect. 205-48 to 57 and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I did get that question wrong too. It was most likely #10. I don't need a point to pass. I passed comfortably. I just want to protest that question based solely on principle (of course I'd gain something too obviously) and if it'll help anyone then it'll be a bonus. I can compose a protest similar to the sample pinned on top of the board, but I need as much if not all information from the question. I don't want to compose an essay, arguing something that should not has been arguing in the 1st place.

Go get the info I need and I'll compose it and will inbox you two so we all can mail it out together.

MARCO, did you send in your protest? You're definitely borderline EDP right now, but you are RIGHT!! I'm in the minority that actually totally agree with you although I got the questions right. I was WTF too, but since the only route that was correct was the route that lead to the park so I had no choice but picking the park.

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You guys wouldnt have these problems if you read the instructions on the rear of your pink answer sheet.  It told you to mail the protest response in within 1 week.  You're excuse that work wouldn't give you off is baseless.  A boss tried that in my command and the PBA ended that argument VERY quickly.

Marco,

You can win this protest on two key points.

First, when the test writers stated "the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet" they failed to explain from what point on the block. For instance, is just across the street 500 feet? Is it midblock to midblock, near corner to far corner? Its not clear and THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAP SCALE on the map which is critical in determining distance. Therefore, since a full block separated the explosion from the stadium lot, crossing 2 steets should equal 1000 feet.

Second, you are right on the wind, but the problem you have is that the patol guide in the HazMat procedure states the set up upwind, IF POSSIBLE. To win your point on the wind, you have to prove that not only was the wind blowing from the south, but that it WAS POSSIBLE to set up at the Stadium parking lot. To do that you have on your side the fact that the test writers never said or implied that the LOT did not have space for the mobilization. Just because the concert at the stadium was full does not automatically translate to the lot not having room. Even if that is what the test writers meant, they did not make a statement in the test to make that clear. You can beat them on that.

Basically, hit DCAS on the above two points and you can most likely have this question turned to a double answer for A and D.

The City of New York Department of Citywide Administrative Services proposed answer key for PROMOTION TO SERGEANT (POLICE) Exam No. 1533 records choice "d" as a correct answer for question number 16.

Several crucial facts indicate that choice "a" is the most correct answer, and is as good as or better than the proposed key answer choice "d".

The question asks the reader to locate the appropriate mobilization point for an explosion that has occurred at a clinic where there is an orange smoke coming from the clinic. This orange smoke would indicate a hazardous material that is airborne and can be blown by the wind.  Patrol Guide 212-37 (Hazardous Materials) states to establish frozen zones for 2-c. Explosion or fire: (1) Outdoors - at least 1000 feet in radius from explosive indicating that the mobilization point must be at least 1000 feet from the clinic. It further states to 18-b-(1) Choose area on high ground and/or upwind of hazardous material, if possible, to avoid contamination. Patrol Guide 213-02 (Emergency Incidents) then states that NOTE: Mobilization point should be of sufficient size to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.

This leads the reader to look for 3 criteria in choosing a mobilization point: 1) that it is at least 1000 feet away from the clinic, 2) can accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization and 3), if possible, be located upwind.

For the 1000 feet minimum distance, the information for the map stated the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet. There were no scales on the map. This is very ambiguous and begs the question; is the distance measured from the same point on the two blocks? Could just going from one corner across the street to the other corner be 500 feet? Since there was one full block between the clinic and the stadium parking lot, then based on the given statement crossing 2 streets that separates 3 blocks (clinic, stadium parking lot, and the block between them) would meet the minimum distance of 1000 feet.

For the ability of the mobilization point to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, several material in the in-basket indicated there was a sold-out concert at the stadium that was over capacity. What was not mentioned was the size/capacity of the parking lot nor was mentioned how much of the parking lot was used/not available when determining if it could be used for a mobilization point. This can lead one to believe that perhaps the parking lot could have been very large and still have ample space even with an over-capacity event. The information given was not specific enough about the space available in the stadium parking lot. Therefore, the stadium parking lot must be assumed to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.

Finally, as for locating the mobilization point upwind, if possible, the introduction to the in-basket stated that winds were southern at 35 MPH. According to Webster Dictionary, both southern and southerly mean coming from the south <a southern breeze> meaning the wind blows from south to north. Since the stadium was south of the clinic and the wind is blowing north, then the stadium is upwind of the explosion and smoke.

In summation, choice "d", the park, may be over 1000 feet away and capable of accommodating a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, but it is downwind of an airborne hazardous material and IT WAS POSSIBLE to mobilize at the stadium parking lot. Choice "a" on the other hand, is a correct statement due to the fact that it meets all the criteria for a mobilization point: it is upwind, at least 1000 feet away, and is apparently able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.

Based upon the foregoing facts, choice "a" is noticeably the most correct answer, and as such, should be the key answer for question number 16. It is therefore respectfully requested that the Test Validation Board change the final key answer for question number 16 to read "a".

let say u guys are right with the direction of the wind which is going towards the park but here is the bad news. exact words from the PG...> if POSSIBLE , be located upwind. the word Possible makes the park the right answer even if the wind going towards the park. because if you have to look at the distance and size to fit lvl 3 and 4 mobilization the park is the right answer. 

Its probably too late for mail in protests.