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TimeForChange · Veteran Member

RE: went to the protest session today

Semp1 · Guru

It really doesn't matter. Nobody fought that question today and good luck trying to remember the question you want to protest without reference.

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

YOu're right Semp1. I really want to write up a couple protests too, but w/o the EXACT materials to reference from, you'd only waste your time and at the same time making an ass out of yourself. That's why I said we need someone or people that went to the protest to reiterate the questions as accurately as possible so we can help.

Slate · Senior Member

I don't understand people who need points so bad and still didn't show up to protest, very poor turnout!!

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Lol, people are still arguing about this question.

wisecop · Senior Member

did*

Semp1 · Guru

To be honest at this point I'm not trying to sound like an ass hole but I really don't think people who were too lazy to go should be helped, they clearly didn't care about helping myself or others today so the way the list is as far as I'm concerned can stay that way.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Wednesday 16th of November 2011 11:58:35 PM

Slate · Senior Member

Semp is making a good point, if you dont want to help yourself, dont expect others to help you

Dogman1 · Veteran Member

did anyone see if the prisoner unusual locked you in ? if not easy double easy point

pacman · Member

i protest 3 questions through mail. i hope dcas re consider the answers.

Dogman1 · Veteran Member

just read the one guys reply . you can throw out if it didnt have the pg number written in, maybe ?

Semp1 · Guru

Yes the prisoner unusual locked you in. Can not protest it.

tweezy · Senior Member

Semp1 which protest did you go to Lafayette or Brooklyn? I went today they didn't tell me only 4000 people took it. Only like 20 people showed up at Lafayette

skiguy37 · Senior Member

I was at the Brooklyn protest with Semp1 today. About 35 people showed up.
Tweezy states that about 20 showed up to Lafayette.
So that means NO MORE than 60 showed up in the entire Department. I personally think that's sad, but that's a whole other topic.

Now, Let me put some subjects to rest.

1) It said a "southern wind" was blowing. After reading that my entire classroom gave up even considering that as a protest. Good luck protesting the question if you were not there because both the DCAS proctors and the DCAS paperwork stressed that you had to give SPECIFIC points of the question. This included quoting the question, quoting the answers and referencing page numbers and item numbers.

2) Prisoner Unusual Question locked you into 210-07. If you did not know the acronym "ACOEDS" and the actors/notifications for 210-07, then you got it wrong. I REPEAT THAT IT LOCKED YOU INTO 210-07!!!!!!!!

3) The 2nd grammar question received a number of protests due to the spacing, but I am not sure it will be thrown out. It was simply the auto format from the Word program that made it into block paragraph form. 10+ people protested that, so we will see what happens.

4) There was no announcement about the number of people that took the test. A small group of us asked a DCAS lady a few questions when we were leaving. She stated that about 4000-4500 showed up for the test, 250 sent in protest requests, and 60-70 actually showed up for the protest.

5) Other questions I can confirm that were protested were:
#7-LOD in inbasket... having the LT leave the meeting to do the LOD accident investigation. The telephone message log entry said the LT SHOULD stay at the meeting. It did not say he MUST stay at the meeting. (a very far stretch of a protest, but still attempted
#30- someone wrote a protest but i don't know the question at all.
#49 -something about a missing. I didn't protest it so maybe someone else can elaborate.
#61 -A Lot of people protested the firearms discharge question. We all felt that all accidental discharges need to be protested. Before you jump on me, read 212-29 Additional Data and you can see how it can be interpreted as a possible protest.
#86 - TVB question in my opinion had 2 correct answers. 3rd platoon reports at 1415 and does not get portal to portal was choice B. Upon completion of TVB appearance, UMOS should notify command was choice C. Read 211-10, 211-01 and 211-11 and you will see that it is a STRONG possibility that Choice C will be a good answer.
#97 - 2nd grammar question.

I'm sure there were more protests but this is all I know of

marc0930 · Veteran Member

No one wants to beleive me on this one, but they really messed up on the wording for this mobilization. The words Southerly & Southern have the same explanation, people who got it correct dont care but people like me need the points, this question is the perfect throw out question whether u want to beleive me or not. South·ern 1. lying toward, situated in, or directed toward the south. 2. coming from the south, as a wind. 3. of or pertaining to the south.

Semp1 · Guru

I went to Brooklyn and it wasn't something they announced its something a few of us were told and I quote "we can't believe the show up today a little over 2000 sergeants took the Lieutenants test and hundreds applied for the protest. A little over 4000 police officers took the Sergeants test only 250 applied and only 33 showed up at this location." Take that for what it's worth but both women work for DCAS. They clearly know the numbers of people who took the test and who protested. This list will be much much smaller than people originally thought. Skiguy, #30 was the CCRB question and 49 was the SAD program question.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 17th of November 2011 01:28:47 AM

Sosgunner · Senior Member

Semp1 are you serious or joking?

Semp1 · Guru

I'm dead serious. I have no reason to joke. And I'm happy my self and a few others were told that because I'm sick of this board and all the Weird losers that probably should have never been hired because of the obvious psych problems they have who Troll these forums just to hurt others and make people who actually tried feel bad about themselves when you all should be celebrating. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say based on what I heard today and saw as a show up, this list will be the normal 15-20% it always is, and that's based on 4,000 people taking it. You do the math.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 17th of November 2011 01:41:01 AM

Sosgunner · Senior Member

Wow ok so with my score of 87 when do you see me getting promoted?

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Gunner you're going to get promoted, don't listen to the trolls here and stress yourself out. As for when that depends on a lot of different factors.

Sosgunner · Senior Member

What are some of the factors?

Sargtest246 · Veteran Member

What numbe was the prisoner unusual quest.. I'm pretty sure I got it right but just curious ye number

Chocokoko · Member

pacman wrote:
i protest 3 questions through mail. i hope dcas re consider the answers.

Which 3 ? and can you show how you write it up? thanks

Chocokoko · Member

wisecop wrote:
The mobilization point question isa protestable questions, but not because of the "southerly winds", thats retard. If you read the booket in page five it clearly states "it can be understood that 2 blocks is 500 feet. The scenario was an explosions, which requires it to be 1000 feet, none of the choices were 1000 feet away because the farthest points was the stadium, and it was 3 blocks away which is only 750 feet away therefore none of the choices were good. They dropped the ball, by saying two blocks=500ft.

Thats what I thought when I was taking the test too....

Slate · Senior Member

Skiguy, 2nd grammar question wasn't auto format from word because other questions with multiple sentence choices didn't have the same problem, cmon guy u know that

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Actually, yes they did. Questions were formatted both ways. Ask Semp1, I showed him that at the test. You and me didn't discuss that question together.

I've never thought it was a possible protest and I still don't. You guys may have been able to cast some doubt with the test validation board.

So time will tell.

(I statrted the above sentence with "So")

Semp1 · Guru

So maybe I will. I do have an English degree.

Slate · Senior Member

Ye, I saw One out of 98 questions with the same format as the grammar question. I think the spasing was done deliberately to throw you off and wasn't the format issue

6monthwonder · Veteran Member

Hundreds signed up to protest the LT Exam because it was a monstrosity of weird questions for 1/3rd of the test. I couldn't really think of anything to protest, this test was pretty fair, though I do hope the firearm discharge and missing questions get thrown out since I got those wrong. Good luck guys.

Semp1 · Guru

And like I said before the question is asking what SENTENCE is grammatically most correct. The fact that each sentence is to be looked at as it's own separate entity and not to be assumed as part of a paragraph, then If the spacing occurred based on block paragraph typed formatting then the test writers should have fixed that. Also choice "A" which was incorrect because it used the words "a lot" and joined them to one word as "alot" is incorrect not because something is misspelled but because of improper use of spacing. So the same goes for the double spaced sentence option. Right Slate?

Slate · Senior Member

Exactly:)

cjs2571 · Veteran Member

I went to the protest yesterday. I was in a room where we protested question numbers 15,95, 97 I forgot the numbers of the other two but I know they are the mobilization point and since they protested the mobilization point they also protested the route on the fact that if the mobilization point was no good nor was the route. That is a total of 5. Question 15 was a good protest that is a defenite win for us. Q97 the grammer I am not the best at this but we all went over it and agreed even the question was written poorly not only the answers. Q95 locked us into 215-07 which was great since they asked according to 215-07 what was the most correct answer that the school safety sergeant should take. The protest of this question was 215-07 has no duty for the school safety sergeant. Since they always use the lock in against us I figured why not lock them in this time. well gave it a shot good luck hope this helps some good cops out here.

MamaBear · Senior Member

skiguy37 wrote:
Also, semp1 has a Bachelors Degree in English so you can thank him if #97 is protested. That guy has a brilliant mastery of the English language.

I agree... SEMP1 your A GEM! thank you very much! I think of myself as fairly articulate... But looked at that question with serious confusion, spelling, grammar, WTF? SO, lol, if you are successful, I thank you! I need one point! And if I dont get promoted off a 70, Ill be ok with that... Just wanted to pass!

MamaBear · Senior Member

Just a quick question as I finally found my original pink sheet... the second grammar question is 92 or 97??? Lord I need one point and I got 96 CORRECT! F***! Now I am praying for that ACCIDENTAL discharge question!
Thanks SKI and Semp!
I am sorry I did not read the back of my sheet and send my protest in on time! I would have done whatever possible to be there with you!@ I do appreciate all you guys did! Real Brothers!

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Grammar was 97

MamaBear · Senior Member

skiguy37 wrote:
Grammar was 97

K, thanks... Damn, got it right...But for those who did not, it should be thrown out... I'll pray for the firearm discharge now...

Semp1 · Guru

MamaBear the statement I made was not directed towards guys who legitimately had issues or couldn't make it. It's more at the ones that love to complain and don't do anything about it. I, sure you'll be fine. That 69 will hopefully turn to a 70. Me and a few others really did try to get about 3 thrown out. I think we were successful with at least 1 or 2 of them. Now it's just time to wait.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I agree with Semp. No one wants a 69 but you're in striking range and believe you will find a point.

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

Anyone here need the "month/quarterly evaluation question" (in-basket) protested? I believe that it's definitely has a chance to get thrown out IF and a BIG "IF", the stem of the question did not indicate whether or not the desk sgt. was DESIGNATED to do the eval.
Semp1 or anyone that went to the protest; Do you guys remember what question that was? How was the question written? Was the word "DESIGNATED" even in the stem of the question? Thanks guys.

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

TimeForChange,

That question threw me off as well. That came from left field and doesn't seem like it should have been part of the in-basket. If you find out the stem of the question and number, I will definitely pursue protesting that one by mail.

-- Edited by nycn8tive on Thursday 17th of November 2011 06:33:37 PM

Semp1 · Guru

I can honestly say I don't remember. I went to pretty much the questions I had to protest and it still took me 5 hours.

RockDaKessba · Veteran Member

-- Edited by RockDaKessba on Friday 18th of November 2011 01:31:34 AM

RockDaKessba · Veteran Member

skiguy37 wrote:
I was at the Brooklyn protest with Semp1 today. About 35 people showed up.
Tweezy states that about 20 showed up to Lafayette.
So that means NO MORE than 60 showed up in the entire Department. I personally think that's sad, but that's a whole other topic.

Now, Let me put some subjects to rest.

1) It said a "southern wind" was blowing. After reading that my entire classroom gave up even considering that as a protest. Good luck protesting the question if you were not there because both the DCAS proctors and the DCAS paperwork stressed that you had to give SPECIFIC points of the question. This included quoting the question, quoting the answers and referencing page numbers and item numbers.

2) Prisoner Unusual Question locked you into 210-07. If you did not know the acronym "ACOEDS" and the actors/notifications for 210-07, then you got it wrong. I REPEAT THAT IT LOCKED YOU INTO 210-07!!!!!!!!

3) The 2nd grammar question received a number of protests due to the spacing, but I am not sure it will be thrown out. It was simply the auto format from the Word program that made it into block paragraph form. 10+ people protested that, so we will see what happens.

4) There was no announcement about the number of people that took the test. A small group of us asked a DCAS lady a few questions when we were leaving. She stated that about 4000-4500 showed up for the test, 250 sent in protest requests, and 60-70 actually showed up for the protest.

5) Other questions I can confirm that were protested were:
#7-LOD in inbasket... having the LT leave the meeting to do the LOD accident investigation. The telephone message log entry said the LT SHOULD stay at the meeting. It did not say he MUST stay at the meeting. (a very far stretch of a protest, but still attempted
#30- someone wrote a protest but i don't know the question at all.
#49 -something about a missing. I didn't protest it so maybe someone else can elaborate.
#61 -A Lot of people protested the firearms discharge question. We all felt that all accidental discharges need to be protested. Before you jump on me, read 212-29 Additional Data and you can see how it can be interpreted as a possible protest.
#86 - TVB question in my opinion had 2 correct answers. 3rd platoon reports at 1415 and does not get portal to portal was choice B. Upon completion of TVB appearance, UMOS should notify command was choice C. Read 211-10, 211-01 and 211-11 and you will see that it is a STRONG possibility that Choice C will be a good answer.
#97 - 2nd grammar question.

I'm sure there were more protests but this is all I know of

How about the Force Figure Question do u think there is a good chance to win this one ?

marc0930 · Veteran Member

Everyone who chose the stadium for the mobilization pass or failed this test should be protesting the incorrect questioning of SOUTHERLY or SOUTHERN winds. The word southerly and southern means the winds are blowing up from the south heading in a north direction, why would you put a mobilization into a park or anywhere else that the wind at 35mph of yellow smoke from an explosion blowing into a gas station and right into the park. This ridiculous wording to this question eliminates both answers and should be 100% thrown out.That question being thrown out gets people who got it wrong 2 additional points.All in all that is the perfect protest question, its a win for for everyone and a very big win with people like me who got a 69, it would actually mean 2 points cause the map would have to be thrown out as well,for those who got it correct you dont lose points you just keep it. I hope there are others out there in my boat or people looking for 2 additional points cause here they are !!!

RockDaKessba · Veteran Member

marc0930 wrote:
Regarding the map question, did it actually say "southerly" in the wording of the sentence?

so you asking people if it did say southerly or not .. dude you all over the site with protesting that question how would you protest something and telling people to do so and you yourself not even sure, on top of that you didn't even attempt to put the time and effort to attend the protest session. and no it says SOUTHERN. Good luck fighting that one i highly doubt it it will get thrown out.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Marco you got to stop bro

Semp1 · Guru

Yeah I'll be honest. We all looked at that question in the protest and it was clear that it was worded correctly. It was clear they meant southern winds which would mean blowing away from the park. No one in my room protested it. It's going to be hard protesting a question like that when you can't get the wording perfectly.

marc0930 · Veteran Member

I guarantee i win this one, you are not understanding what i am protesting, the word Southern was written correctly yes, if you look it up it states Southern Winds mean coming from the south, this will blow the yellow smoke from the explosion north and into the park, if DCAS doesnt throw this out than i am gonna retire due to possible future health concerns that we can have a mobiliazation in an area where yellow smoke from an explosion with 35mph winds will be inhaled in our lungs. No One Gets It !!!!

skiguy37 · Senior Member

marc0930 wrote:
I guarantee i win this one, you are not understanding what i am protesting, the word Southern was written correctly yes, if you look it up it states Southern Winds mean coming from the south, this will blow the yellow smoke from the explosion north and into the park, if DCAS doesnt throw this out than i am gonna retire due to possible future health concerns that we can have a mobiliazation in an area where yellow smoke from an explosion with 35mph winds will be inhaled in our lungs. No One Gets It !!!!

We get it. You don't get that we just want you to shut up already. You should have attended the protest session if you feel so strongly about this. Good luck quoting the question, the choices and the EXACT wording on the memo because without that info you are beat.

MamaBear · Senior Member

TimeForChange wrote:
Anyone here need the "month/quarterly evaluation question" (in-basket) protested? I believe that it's definitely has a chance to get thrown out IF and a BIG "IF", the stem of the question did not indicate whether or not the desk sgt. was DESIGNATED to do the eval.
Semp1 or anyone that went to the protest; Do you guys remember what question that was? How was the question written? Was the word "DESIGNATED" even in the stem of the question? Thanks guys.

It was either 7 or 10... Cause those are the only two in basket questions I got wrong and I know that one was the LOD I missed, cause I missed the 28 being denied... But I could use that ONE POINT!