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unborn · Guru

RE: List protest questions and try and remember them for the protest...

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Some of the newer procedures specifically tell you at the end that no other procedure can conflict with the contents of the new order. If thats the case, then any procedure that says that and they went to the other one is a conflict that is invalid and should not be asked and should be thrown out. The off duty in 212 doesn't say that, but was written in 2007. Many newer procedures do say that though... and that is a FACT!

oneadditional · Guru

I like the fact that you said for the EEO ( AUDIO PEEPING TOM ) question all the choices violated the department policy to report and it's true. That's enough for a protest for me. That's one of those judgement questions that EVERYONE should protest.

oneadditional · Guru

Assualt 2 with a stick and a m.o.s being a witness and not the least bit involved is not an "UNUSUAL OCCURENCE". It's very common and it should be thrown out.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

OkeeDokee wrote:
I will add to your PINS question objection. In writing it, they were reading off the Juvenile Report Section:

A COMPLAINT REPORT WORKSHEET (Juvenile Report caption checked off) and a
JUVENILE REPORT SYSTEM WORKSHEET are prepared for a juvenile at least seven (7)
but less than sixteen (16) years of age for:
a. An act that would constitute a crime if committed by an adult except for those
acts listed in step 4 of P.G. 207-01, Complaint Reporting System
b. Violations committed by juveniles
c. Person in need of supervision (if under sixteen (16) years of age) as defined in the Family
Court Act, (Section 712, subdivision a); Advise civilian complainant of right to seek a
petition in Family Court

Members of the service will prepare an ON-LINE ARREST REPORT SUPPLEMENT
WORKSHEET (PD224-1516) when a person in need of supervision is sixteen (16) or seventeen
(17) years of age.

d. Intoxicated juveniles
e. Juvenile under sixteen (16) years of age found in a house of prostitution
f. Stranded juvenile
g. Runaway juvenile
h. Juvenile unlawfully present in a licensed premises
i. Juvenile apparently under the influence of a dangerous drug, e.g., heroin, cocaine,
morphine, opium, marijuana, amphetamines, barbiturates, hallucinogens
j. Traffic infractions - bicycles - persons over seven (7) but less than sixteen (16) years of
age
k. Missing person, at least seven (7) years of age but less than sixteen (16) years of age.

They didn't bother to read that the note between C & D was referring to C and had absolutely nothing to do with d,e,f,g.
Dummies.

Those of us that goy this wrong should rest assured that their score will increase by one. It is clearly an improper question. The cute little test writers, in theur quest to seem smart, misread the PG

outat20 · Senior Member

agreed, if i recall, every single answer had the individual being 16 years old...there is my throwout that will get me to a 70!

JustWonderin · Guru

Anyone remember the question number?

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

I don't remember what number, but I didn't want to sign off on ANY of the vouchers. But it wasn't a choice so I had to pick one. I picked the narcotics voucher.

area1 · Veteran Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
Tiger wrote:
WWhy is everyone not mentioning the double.answer in regards to Hazmat Question? PATROL SUPERVISOR ESTABLISHING COMMAND POST AND NOTIFYING COMMUNICATIONS TO NOTIFY OPERATIONS TO DISPATCH THE BOMB SQUAD BOTH TRUE STATEMENTS
I agree, I didn't put that one on my list which now up to 30 questions!!! Boss sets up the command post there, thats the answer, don't think that one is debatable.

tiger DO YOU REMEBER WHAT QUESTION # WAS THAT? THE hazmat...

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

oneadditional wrote:
As far as the chest pains go the lieutenant was relieved from the desk so the prisoner is the responsibility of the desk officer so not for the immediate attention the lieutenant. I thought about it that way but I am probably wrong.

i'm with you, i also thought that it was the DO responsibility. I dont know if I just read too much into it. They had questions in the test that had no place in the PG (no such thing as ADO, no such thing as Platoon Commander meetings etc), so when I read that question I went by PG which specifically stated that the Platoon Commander has to respond to missing 9yr old.

i'm not sure how to articulate my protest but I dont remember where it specifically states in the PG what jobs you must handle first as a Lt. The question with the chest pain, shouldn't the DO that was relieving the Lt for meal be handling that? Why wait until Lt comes off meal???

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

PINS is 63, I protested it today.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Hazmat is 42, the one with the triple answer. Unless you picked D, you are golden.

neco9 · Veteran Member

I chose to handle the prisoner first. even if you delegate it to the sgt, you are still addressing it first. the missing 9 yr old they are supposed to start the search even if the lt is not present. when the lt shows up he is in charge of the search. protestable. does anyone know the question number.

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

oneadditional wrote:
Again there was a choice that said to enter the IAB COMMAND LOG number in the details section of the 61. Is that worth a protest ? It certainly is not correct

i think it is a true statement, i forgot what this question was about but it's in under family offenses with mos step 11b under DO

oneadditional · Guru

Did you see the phrase iab LOG NUMBER or iab COMMAND LOG NUMBER in the patrol guide ? It is a protestable question ? Did anyone else protest this ?

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

oneadditional wrote:
Did you see the phrase iab LOG NUMBER or iab COMMAND LOG NUMBER in the patrol guide ? It is a protestable question ? Did anyone else protest this ?

i missed it!!! protest!

Inspector71 · Veteran Member

Someone brought up in the protest session about question 20. The question stated: according to Patrol Guide Procedure 207-52 "Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones"

There is no Patrol Guide Procedure 207-52

Protest the question because it references a procedure that does not exist.

"Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones" is an interim order 207 series #52 of 2009

-- Edited by Inspector71 on Thursday 1st of December 2011 08:33:16 PM

Inspector71 · Veteran Member

Another question worth protesting is the Identity Theft. The body of the question stated: "according to the Complainant's report of Lost or Stolen Property/Identity Theft" so they are not locking you into a procedure but rather a form. If you look at the form it doesn't state the criteria for classifying ID theft. The examiners were probably thinking about the Identity Theft preliminary investigation form which has the cover sheet and the scenarios. I forgot what number the question was.

smartcookie · Senior Member

Gripes4Stripes wrote:
oneadditional wrote:
Again there was a choice that said to enter the IAB COMMAND LOG number in the details section of the 61. Is that worth a protest ? It certainly is not correct
i think it is a true statement, i forgot what this question was about but it's in under family offenses with mos step 11b under DO

Does anyone remember the question #?

oneadditional · Guru

Don't remember the question but it had something to do with an off duty and they were looking for the wrong answer which was fax to emd or something like that but there was a choice that said IAB COMMAND LOG NUMBER and that's wrong as well because there is no such thing. I don't recall the number but I hope someone protests this question or try to find out the number to this question.

cornhole · Veteran Member

The question regarding the "Complaints Involving Cellular Phones" was incorrectly referenced as PG 207-52, which does not exist. I threw that protest into the write-up.

smartcookie · Senior Member

oneadditional wrote:
Don't remember the question but it had something to do with an off duty and they were looking for the wrong answer which was fax to emd or something like that but there was a choice that said IAB COMMAND LOG NUMBER and that's wrong as well because there is no such thing. I don't recall the number but I hope someone protests this question or try to find out the number to this question.

If I have time tomorrow, I will definitely look for it. If I also got it wrong, I will protest it.

cornhole · Veteran Member

@oneadditional: I think the question coveredDesk Officer duties at a family dispute. Looked for the incorrect anwer. The Typed Letterhead going to EMD (fax immediately with the #) step #12f(2) of the 208-37 I think. (sorry fried) I tried a challenge stating that the fax and sealed envelope are both required to EMD. Doesn't state one instead of other. Gave it a shot. The rest of the choices seemed to be in the PG and true as I reviewed the Desk Officer duties.

cornhole · Veteran Member

There was also the grammer question where choice C has "canceled" in the text. DCAS posted choice D as the correct answer. I swear, "CANCELLED" is the proper spelling, so choice C was worth a protest to me.
Anyone reading before round 3 Friday, give it a write up if you need a point on that one. Love that DCAS

oneadditional · Guru

208-37 11. Notify Internal Affairs Bureau Command Center and obtain LOG NUMBER ( not Internal affairs COMMAND LOG NUMBER ) then 11a states to enter the iab LOG number in the details section...... the problem is that this choice was C I believe so when scrolling down and looking for the wrong answer I automatically stopped here cause there's no such thing as a IAB COMMAND LOG NUMBER. It's just a regular log number but D was the correct choice involving EMD. In the rest of the procedure LOG number is used as well. In the fast track total guide LOG NUMBER is even underlined, not COMMAND LOG NUMBER. They have to realize that we do have something called a command log which we use at the desk to sign in and out of as referenced in 202-14 (1) but the command log is never mentioned in this procedure.

Enrico Pallazo · Member

cornhole wrote:
There was also the grammer question where choice C has "canceled" in the text. DCAS posted choice D as the correct answer. I swear, "CANCELLED" is the proper spelling, so choice C was worth a protest to me.
Anyone reading before round 3 Friday, give it a write up if you need a point on that one. Love that DCAS

There is irony here. I smell it.

oneadditional · Guru

EVERYONE Protest that grammar question. What number was that ?

cornhole · Veteran Member

@oneadditional: DCAS posted choice D as correct. The grammar were only a few #'s but I don't remember it. Someone will post it. Sorry

oneadditional · Guru

Weren't they looking for the wrong answer ? D and C were wrong. Who ever is going tomorrow please protest it and the PREGNANCY QUESTION. Check out the thread in regards to the pregnancy question. If you got it wrong protest it. You have all the info you need in that thread.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

Enrico Pallazo wrote:
cornhole wrote:
There was also the grammer question where choice C has "canceled" in the text. DCAS posted choice D as the correct answer. I swear, "CANCELLED" is the proper spelling, so choice C was worth a protest to me.
Anyone reading before round 3 Friday, give it a write up if you need a point on that one. Love that DCAS
There is irony here. I smell it.

Cancelled and canceled are both correct. Both are acceptable ways to spell that word

smartcookie · Senior Member

oneadditional wrote:
Weren't they looking for the wrong answer ? D and C were wrong. Who ever is going tomorrow please protest it and the PREGNANCY QUESTION. Check out the thread in regards to the pregnancy question. If you got it wrong protest it. You have all the info you need in that thread.

I'm going to protest the pregnancy Q tomorrow, and if I got the cancelled/canceled Q wrong, I'll protest that too. wink

Enrico Pallazo · Member

oneadditional wrote:
EVERYONE Protest that grammar question. What number was that ?

No.

notmakingit · Veteran Member

Cancelled and canceled are both acceptable ways of spelling the word, but one of them is considered proper/standard english I believe. The other answer choice had the word "Don't" which is also bad. Should be a double answer if someone can make the argument.

Mes018 · Senior Member

Canceled is American English. Cancelled is United Kingdom standard.

Enrico Pallazo · Member

Definite double answer.

Leo620 · Newbie

I believe they were lookin for the wrong answer... which would be svs, b/c it happened in queens. that would make it the queens child abuse sqd.

Enrico Pallazo · Member

Leo620 wrote:
I believe they were lookin for the wrong answer... which would be svs, b/c it happened in queens. that would make it the queens child abuse sqd.

-- Edited by Enrico Pallazo on Friday 2nd of December 2011 06:02:11 PM