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sharpie973 · Veteran Member

List protest questions and try and remember them for the protest...

oneadditional · Guru

I think that's what I chose.

HB · Senior Member

sharpie973 wrote:
I don't recall the choices. However, it was SPILL of a tanker truck unknown possible hazmat substance. I picked establishing the frozen zone 300 feet. I studied the number on this like crazy figuring they would go there.
"hazardous material source or spillage"

There wasnt a spill in the question. This im certain.

oneadditional · Guru

Ok so either way the 300 ft was chosen. We'll see what happens a few mondays from now

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Sunday 7th of September 2014 04:41:26 PM

HB · Senior Member

sharpie973 wrote:
It said spill.

It said source. Doesnt matter cuz its the same answer anyway

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Sunday 7th of September 2014 04:41:48 PM

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

so the answer is still for the p/s to establish command post correct??

SteveC · Veteran Member

BimpGod wrote:
Does anyone remember the lost child one? I dont know why but it seemed tricky? I remember you were the desk officer and it said to choose the incorrect statement.
A was notify SVU because the 12 year old was being forced to perform CSA by his step dad
B was complete captions on aided card
C was Notify MPS and give description of child
D assign a female umos to watch the child

Now that I look at it i guess D because it should have stated, assign a female umos to watch the child, if available. Scumbags.

Svu was incorrect. It's Queens, notify Queens Child abuse squad.

oneadditional · Guru

SteveC that wasn't even a choice

SteveC · Veteran Member

oneadditional wrote:
SteveC that wasn't even a choice

They asked for which one was incorrect. His father was having him perform a sex act. It's queens, queens child abuse gets notified. Notifying SVU is the incorrect answer.

oneadditional · Guru

Ok you came out talking about a totally different question

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

SteveC wrote:
BimpGod wrote:
Does anyone remember the lost child one? I dont know why but it seemed tricky? I remember you were the desk officer and it said to choose the incorrect statement.
A was notify SVU because the 12 year old was being forced to perform CSA by his step dad
B was complete captions on aided card
C was Notify MPS and give description of child
D assign a female umos to watch the child

Now that I look at it i guess D because it should have stated, assign a female umos to watch the child, if available. Scumbags.

Svu was incorrect. It's Queens, notify Queens Child abuse squad.

Yes, as per the p.g.

How many people got screwed up because it never indicated the Child lived in Queens or was sodomized in Queens? He was just found there.

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

Suspended mos question going to report to d/o what was the correct answer

oneadditional · Guru

Desk officer documents in command log and forwards the report to the ico

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

yeah baby!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

pregnant mos to report to surgeon.........what were the time schedules you picked???

RICH-PD · Senior Member

i think the correct answer they were looking for with the preggo MOS was call 10 days prior to confirm delivery date or something right?

oneadditional · Guru

YES THAT WAS THE ANSWER

oneadditional · Guru

I'M NOT LOOKING IN MY GUIDE RIGHT NOW BUT ISN'T THAT UNDER THE SURGEONS DUTIES ? SHOULD THOSE OF US WHO GET IT RIGHT GET 2 POINTS SINCE IT WILL PROBABLY BE PROTESTED ?

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

well.........thats 3 i got right............67 more and i am good

HB · Senior Member

oneadditional wrote:
SteveC that wasn't even a choice

Yes it was

bigfoot45 · Guru

You have zero shot in protesting the "routine" sick at home for a choking victim at a nursing home." They went over this at the key. You gotta go. There really is no fighting it. Some of the other questions have legit arguements but remember you can't fight a question becuase it was sneaky and the question writers are morons. As far as the grammar questions, they were mostly tough but none had no answer. They did the same trick on sergeant's test with capitalizing letters. They capitalized Department at the end of a sentence making it wrong. Half of the test takers dropped it. Keep in mind the question asked according to propper grammar, not our police world where they capitalize every police phrace like "Command Discipline"

oneadditional · Guru

AND Precinct Detective Unit

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

Off duty mos witnesses domestic (guys hits his wife with stick -assault 2) out his window.........off duty incident but what was the question.............it was one of those.....what is the best thing to say to him or WHAT NOW???

Dying06Lt · Veteran Member

Whatwasthat wrote:
Off duty mos witnesses domestic (guys hits his wife with stick -assault 2) out his window.........off duty incident but what was the question.............it was one of those.....what is the best thing to say to him or WHAT NOW???

funny but I don't see how this is an off duty incident, its part of our job !

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

it is in fact an off duty incident...............witness or participant.......but i forgot how the question read!!!!

wereinbacklog · Guru

Whatwasthat wrote:
it is in fact an off duty incident...............witness or participant.......but i forgot how the question read!!!!

It asked all of the following are correct except: the answer was forwarding the 49 to EMD through department mail because it should be faxed immediately.

oneadditional · Guru

Again there was a choice that said to enter the IAB COMMAND LOG number in the details section of the 61. Is that worth a protest ? It certainly is not correct

wereinbacklog · Guru

oneadditional wrote:
Again there was a choice that said to enter the IAB COMMAND LOG number in the details section of the 61. Is that worth a protest ? It certainly is not correct

Definitely worth a protest most likely a double answer.

Dying06Lt · Veteran Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
Whatwasthat wrote:
it is in fact an off duty incident...............witness or participant.......but i forgot how the question read!!!!
It asked all of the following are correct except: the answer was forwarding the 49 to EMD through department mail because it should be faxed immediately.

i thought there was an answer that this wasn't an off-duty incident, I figured i got it wrong

wereinbacklog · Guru

Dying06Lt wrote:
wereinbacklog wrote:
Whatwasthat wrote:
it is in fact an off duty incident...............witness or participant.......but i forgot how the question read!!!!
It asked all of the following are correct except: the answer was forwarding the 49 to EMD through department mail because it should be faxed immediately.
i thought there was an answer that this wasn't an off-duty incident, I figured i got it wrong

U might be confusing it with the question about the family dispute where d answer was to commend d cop for calling 911 but no notifications needed.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

No the one with the off duty witness cop calling 911 did have a choice, just commend the cop and no further action/notifications needed. It was arguable whether or not that is an off duty incident, I say no, so that is why I picked that one...

oneadditional · Guru

If they had 2 8's on the calender in the inbasket as someone stated then the ECB question should be thrown out.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
No the one with the off duty witness cop calling 911 did have a choice, just commend the cop and no further action/notifications needed. It was arguable whether or not that is an off duty incident, I say no, so that is why I picked that one...

Bible, I dropped that question as well but unfortunately the pg says "involved in or witness to...." sucks I don't remember reading the witness part but it's in there

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

SteveC wrote:
oneadditional wrote:
SteveC that wasn't even a choice

They asked for which one was incorrect. His father was having him perform a sex act. It's queens, queens child abuse gets notified. Notifying SVU is the incorrect answer.

Incorrect answer was complete captions on an aided. You were the desk officer

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

looked it up......d/o does captions on the aided card..............svu answer is wrong(right)

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

What section are you looking at

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

-- Edited by Whatwasthat on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:30:58 AM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

In the first paragraph, "unusual police occurence", never defines what that is. Is an Assault 2nd family offense of the next door neighbors an "unusual police incident"? I would say no. But once again, another gray area, these exam writers are bafoons...

-- Edited by PatrolGuideismyBible on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:32:17 AM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

off duty incident if you are a witness to an "unusual police occurence", Assault 2nd with a stick doesn't qualify IMHO...

-- Edited by PatrolGuideismyBible on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:32:43 AM

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

Whatwasthat wrote:
juv 215

No problem that's another protest. Procedure about abused children does not have d.o. Completing captions on an aided card which is a cops job......I don't care what procedure they specified in the question. It started out as a lost child and got alot more serious....double answer

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

i agree

oneadditional · Guru

I already touched on that off duty topic. I am protesting it. That is not a legit off duty question. I dare any of you call the duty captain and get the ball rolling over that nonsense.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Also they had a real off duty where the cop threw something at his wife, but they wanted you to answer it using a different procedure that conflicts with 212-32 off duty incidents. In the other procedure the PS can handle less serious off duty incidents, CO/DC more serious ones, and DO always does the 49. In 212-32 Off Duty incidents, no one does a 49, CO conducts every investigation, the DO just calls the CO/DC and IAB.

Two questions with obvious conflicting procedures in the book, yet they decided to go there. Are they intentionally this unfair or am I giving them too much credit and they just don't know there are conflicts in the book and its best to avoid testing on points that have more than one answer in the book...

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

what did you answer for that question patrolguideismybible? what was the correct aswer

unborn · Guru

On a "fair" exam you can expect them to have one or two questions from procedures that conflict other procedures. On this debauchery of a test they chose to pick every possible conflict in the book and test on it. Unfortunately if the question locked you into a specific PG procedure then you don't have much of a chance with a protest unless you can show that there was more than one right answer or the question had no right answer (i.e. pins question)

-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:46:26 AM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Like I know what the correct answer is? I think I bombed it like everyone else, but I picked "commend the cop for a good job and no further notifications are needed" Why? Assault 2nd with a stick husband and wife, parent's neighbors not even your own neighbors, not personally involved, not unusual, how does it qualify as an "unusual police occurence" You are a witness to a very common crime and took proper action in calling 911.

Am I right? I don't know, the question like many others was poorly written and went for the gray area...

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

unborn wrote:
On a "fair" exam you can expect them to have one or two questions from procedures that conflict other procedures. On this debauchery of a test they chose to pick every possible conflict in the book and test on it. Unfortunately if the question locked you into a specific PG procedure then you don't have much of a chance with a protest unless you can show that there was more than one right answer or the question had no right answer (i.e. pins question)

-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:46:26 AM

Exactly. They absolutely, purposely found controversial contradicting procedures and wrote questions on the. They need to be inundated with protests

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

unborn wrote:
On a "fair" exam you can expect them to have one or two questions from procedures that conflict other procedures. On this debauchery of a test they chose to pick every possible conflict in the book and test on it. Unfortunately if the question locked you into a specific PG procedure then you don't have much of a chance with a protest unless you can show that there was more than one right answer or the question had no right answer (i.e. pins question)

-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:46:26 AM

You are probably right, but if an obvious conflict exists, whether they refernce the specific procedure or not, it is a completely unfair question. If an incident fits two procedures, especially if one is newer than the other and often says "any other procedure that conflicts with this one is invalid" at the end of many of the newer procedures, how can they "lock you in"?

The exam writers should all lose their gigs on this one, complete incompetence, pettiness, and picked many obscure points to test on...