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outat20 · Senior Member

Management Guide?

RICH-PD · Senior Member

why aren't we issued it then?... we are given a patrol guide in the academy and given an admin guide when you make LT or a DB guide when you make detective...

outat20 · Senior Member

I think it was distributed to every rank from lt. up

J Man · Senior Member

CLASS ACTION

FNM · Veteran Member

Every rank from LT up? If they announced a exam for potential candidates than how come this "super secret blue book" wasnt made available to us? is it located anywhere on the departments website for supervisors to use?

Seriously does anybody know a lawyer we can talk to? I believe that all we have to do is to reach out to a few perspective lawyers, talk to them briefly over the phone, and than simply guide them towards this message board to take a look at. Having a lawyer simply look at this message board will explain what is going on a hundred times better than anyone of us can. And the lawyer will be able to properly explain to use if we have a lawsuit or not.

FNM · Veteran Member

Seriously I know a lot of people want to wait for the protest sessions to come out and hope they make it but that doesnt make this exam fair. The only fair way around this is to get this thing thrown out.

outat20 · Senior Member

I tried looking all over the intranet for this, but couldn't find it...supposedly if anyone attempts to protest these questions, they will present this management guide and tell them that they cant.

FNM · Veteran Member

That guide wasnt provided to us, nor was it made easily accessible, therefor this exam needs to be tossed in the garbage.

brat4914 · Guru

This is the book they are speaking of.........

http://www.amazon.com/Supervision-Police-Personnel-Nathan-Iannone/dp/0131131613

Sgtfahlife · Veteran Member

DCAS should have provided us with a reference booklet prior to the exam so we have an idea of what was coming for us

outat20 · Senior Member

Check out the reviews for this book, they are all in teh $hitter...it's the 7th edition of the book, which means it was written in the 1990s and hasn't been altered to todays police standards, what a f-ing joke...I hope this dept. enjoys getting rejects as the next group of chiefs, bc the cream of the crop doesn't give a **** anymore, its outat20.

whos on1st · Member

does anyone know the story with this ridiculous book......was it even written by cops??? ex-cops??? any law enforcement experience at all??? who the hell are these people that the job is putting so much importance in for an exam this big when after how many years all we've ever heard is that the patrol guide is gospil when it comes to promotional testing .......what an absolute joke this is we all need to protest n get this test thrown out

DepartmentCaughtActingStupidly · Member

Has anyone actually read this book? Are the judgement questions from the test taken directly from the book? If so then i don't see how they can keep those questions. Those judgement questions are a lot like riddles. Once you know the answer to a riddle it is unlikely you will be stumped by it again. I don't know how widely used this book is in criminal justice courses taught in college but if a test taker had read the book then they have an unfair advantage. They already know the answer the book was looking for and as a result are not answering the question as s true judgement question but rather supplying the answer to a riddle they heard before. If the department wanted to use judgement questions they should have listed that book in the notice of examination or created original judgement questions. I also believe the test takers set us up for failure on these judgement questions by picking the patrol guide questions they did. There were a number or actor questions on the exam. How you can tell a test taker that when two people are at a crime scene together that it makes all the difference in the world as to which one actually calls CSU to the scene. In the real world we all know that what is important is that CSU is notified to come, not who notifies them. However the Patrol Guide assigned theses task to specific people and we are responsible for knowing them. Yet a few pages later we are supposed to throw the Patrol Guide out the window and answer the question based on what some jerk off who wrote a book thinks should be the right answer. What are the authors qualifications to back that book up and how can they standardize a question about which is most effective when you are dealing with different personality types. I have several kids and I am a different parent to each of them because they all have their own personalities. I can not use a stock answer to manage their disappointments and needs because they each will react differently. Yet I am supposed to know which answer is most effective in managing a Sgt's disappointment in not getting a spot he feels he deserves? That really depends on his personality and how well I know him.

-- Edited by DepartmentCaughtActingStupidly on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 03:40:31 PM

-- Edited by DepartmentCaughtActingStupidly on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 03:41:23 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Yes, completely agree, the test was inconsistent. In PG questions they stressed who gets what paperwork, who gets a copy of a 49, who does a notification to where and to whom. Then turn around and have you violating PG rules in judgement questions where you do everything from enabling theft of dept property to shytcanning an EEO complaint to authorizing checkpoints, admin OT, or possibly giving an E day against a memo written by your CO?

Also even though I thought both questions were somewhat fair since they locked you into a particular procedure, the off duty incident with the cop and his wife in a domestic dispute and the cop threw something and the CSU with barrier tape both had conflicts in the PG. The Det notifies CSU in every other procedure in the book except in 212 Crime Scene and also in the real world PDU is generally who deals with CSU, not the Sgt. Also the Off Duty, in one procedure in the PG the DO does the 49 but in another its always the CO/DC and in the real world its always the CO/DC. So even though those questions did lock you into a particular procedure and weren't written that poorly, they were actually asking questions that had obvious conflicts in the book, so they can also be fought.

outat20 · Senior Member

Just bought the 1994 edition used from Half.com for $1.03, can't wait to ****ing read it.