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oneadditional · Guru

RE: LIST OF QUESTIONS TO PROTEST

LT FAILURE · Veteran Member

Number 24 is 100 percent a dcas typo is had the term ---DO MT-- I think they meant DON'T or DO or DO NOT--- anyway it messed the whole question up I put a star on my answer key to identify it---it was the first word in the fact pattern and it messed up the entire question and answer

oneadditional · Guru

WHAT WAS NUMBER 24

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

WANNABELT wrote:
RISING IDIOT wrote:
HB wrote:
Just got confirmation of the correct answers for 3 of the judgement call questions. The D.O. Approves the eday. You put the ADO in the 124 room. You tell the senior sgt who didnt get the detail that you will find out why and get back to him. Those are the 3 correct answers for the test. It is written in some supervision book. I forgot the name of the book i still think all those questions should b thrown out.
find out why and get back to him? as a boss you don't say "I don't know why they didn't pick you." Thats not leadership. Sometimes you have to be blunt with your subordinates. The question told you why they picked the other guy, so thats what I told him
The question asked for the most effective way. Telling a do nothing hairbag that he is a do nothing hairbag is not effective.

I disagree. That is effective. You politely honestly and bluntly told him the deal instead of going back to your co and asking him an answer to a question that you already knew. Sometimes it sucks being the boss but you're not there to make friends. I don't care what their books say....that's management 101

-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 01:08:20 AM

-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 01:17:04 AM

oneadditional · Guru

EXACTLY...........UNLESS YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS ''CONFIRMATION" IM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE. WHY WEREN'T THE OTHER 99 QUESTIONS CONFIRMED

E D · Senior Member

I agree with one additional

HB · Senior Member

oneadditional wrote:
EXACTLY...........UNLESS YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS ''CONFIRMATION" IM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE. WHY WEREN'T THE OTHER 99 QUESTIONS CONFIRMED

It was confirmed because i saw it with my own two eyes thats why! If u choose not to believe me i dont care. It was in a supervisory type book. Ill try to get the name of the book but when i tell ya those are the answers im telling the truth. I got a few wrong also

Scantron · Veteran Member

With the crying PAA: did anything say the PrAA or other civilians weren't working? I assumed they were (why not?) and had the PrAA tell another CMOS to work with her until she got her feet under her.

Didn't DC37 win a lawsuit that only CMOS could do reception, TS and 124 anyway?

HB · Senior Member

Wait for the official answer key. U will see

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

HB wrote:
oneadditional wrote:
EXACTLY...........UNLESS YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS ''CONFIRMATION" IM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE. WHY WEREN'T THE OTHER 99 QUESTIONS CONFIRMED

It was confirmed because i saw it with my own two eyes thats why! If u choose not to believe me i dont care. It was in a supervisory type book. Ill try to get the name of the book but when i tell ya those are the answers im telling the truth. I got a few wrong also

Really? The book said "replace the crying paa with your ado which technically isn't a position in the patrol guide."

oneadditional · Guru

LT FAILURE GREAT POINT OUT. DO, DON'T AND DO MT CA MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND AN AUTOMATIC THROW OUT. DO YOU REMEMBER THE SUBJECT SO IT CAN BE PROTESTED ?

E D · Senior Member

"Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein
I believe is the book he is referring to according to Rising Star.

HB · Senior Member

E D wrote:
"Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein
I believe is the book he is referring to according to Rising Star.

Ok now we have the name to the book. Look it up for yourself if there is any doubt

Hate the PG · Member

The question stated that the CO and XO did the interview, the LT (you) wasn't involved in the decision. I felt that the info about the activity of the SGT was for the reader of thequestion

oneadditional · Guru

EVERYONE IS GOING TO FOCUS MORE ON THAT BOOK FOR THE NEXT TEST AND LESS OF THE PATROL GUIDE, ADMIN GUIDE AND GUIDE FOR THE GUIDE THEN ON TEST DAY NONE OF THE STUFF IN THAT SUPERVISION BOOK IS GOING TO BE ON THE TEST.

Footpost 4 Life · Veteran Member

Ok! so now we get graded on what decisions DCAS says we should make as bosses. Why don't they psych us before we get promoted too. Where was the choice to tell the PAA "get it together, stop reading the newspaper and enter these 61's!"

Mes018 · Senior Member

HB wrote:
oneadditional wrote:
EXACTLY...........UNLESS YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS ''CONFIRMATION" IM NOT BUYING IT ANYMORE. WHY WEREN'T THE OTHER 99 QUESTIONS CONFIRMED

It was confirmed because i saw it with my own two eyes thats why! If u choose not to believe me i dont care. It was in a supervisory type book. Ill try to get the name of the book but when i tell ya those are the answers im telling the truth. I got a few wrong also

PG 203-03 COMPLIANCE WITH ORDERS Effective: 01-01-00 COMPLIANCE WITH ORDERS 1. Be familiar with contents of Patrol Guide and revise as directed. 2. Obey lawful orders and instructions of supervising officers. CO's memo said only he, or in his absence, the X.O. or duty captain can grant the excusal. My eyes, when looking at the above patrol guide procedure, confirms the correct answer is to deny the e-day request. If the police supervision book says otherwise, you have two contradictory, yet both correct answers.

oneadditional · Guru

THIS TEST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PATROL GUIDE. TUCK IT AWAY, IT DOESN'T APPLY

Shnaggles1 · Veteran Member

According to the supervisor book they used as a guide, the more correct choice for the sgt being looked over is let him vent, I dont know how you say DCAS confirmed. Just like someone said 400 people passed because DCAS already scanned them, all bs rumors. Im sorry there is lots of speculation as to where the questions will go on judgement. We will find out in 5 weeks then protest, Send them in !!

-- Edited by Shnaggles1 on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 02:16:52 AM

RumorMill · Veteran Member

Scantron wrote:
With the crying PAA: did anything say the PrAA or other civilians weren't working? I assumed they were (why not?) and had the PrAA tell another CMOS to work with her until she got her feet under her.

Didn't DC37 win a lawsuit that only CMOS could do reception, TS and 124 anyway?

See just finished her training with another PAA. So we are going to train her again? So if I get out of the academy and feel like Iam not ready you put me back in?

Nypdblue · Veteran Member

I told her to listen to the Lt when he is the supervisor on
The scene . Looks like I'm the only jerk that choose that one

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

rumormill,

You are only temporarily correcting the situation by assigning the ado to the 124 room. Obviously this PAA needs a little more instruction and would benefit having a CMOS assist her in the 124 room until she gets her feet wet.

And yes, when rookie cops are having trouble, the bosses and senior cops always them out.

bha78 · Senior Member

I think the choice said to have a more experienced PAA help the crying one. Not 100 percent positive though.

big guy · Senior Member

So 15 total questions were thrown out from the captain test and only 125 made the list?! How many passed it originally--6??!

whos on1st · Member

good job with this compiled list this is what we need one or two guys putting them all together so we get on the same page n not just bitchin abt it...good job!

Swat68 · Member

I was email by one of the promotional schools and said the following,

We are as disappointed in this test as you. We prepared you to the best of our ability and we have been preparing students for 12 years. I took the test and cant believe that they would ask you 29-30 reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions. This is a major deviation to any NYPD promotional exam EVER given.

My advice:

MAIL in your protest session TODAY! Then relax and wait for the tentative DCAS answer key. Once DCAS releases the answer key, PROTEST every question you get wrong (especially the reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions.) PROTEST PROTEST - PROTEST

If they provided you with a reference book on the Notice of Exam, you could have been properly prepared for this exam BUT they did NOT!

Lets see how they defend these questions.

I would make DCAS regret putting questions on the exam that they did not provide you with proper guidance.

Please let me know of any thoughts you have - Mike - myano@msn.com

Good Luck and stay safe,

Mes018 · Senior Member

Does anybody know if ADO was even listed in the front of the packet with common abbreviations. As someone pointed out in another thread, ado is not even a real position in the patrol guide.

infinity · Senior Member

My thiughts on that question.... He already knew that he didn't get the position. I felt the way they worded the choice to tell him why was reinforcing that he wasn't capable of handling the position. He was obviously upset. I let him vent.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

For the sgt being skipped over question is completely judgmental. First off, the CO told you to handle it, so why would you go back and ask him why he skipped the SGT?

I felt the best choice was to talk to him and tell him it happened to you before and relate and let him blow off steam...why? Because it happened to me at an old job, and thats what my boss did for me when another employee got something over me. We talked and that was the end of the issue because I felt better. There is no way anyone can tell me I am wrong because that was a personal experience and completely shaped how I answered the question. That is why these questions should not have any basis, unless you are specifically using them for an interview to base peoples personalities.

E D · Senior Member

I was talking over the exam with my XO, according to him hear are some of the answers of the manageement questions for what it's worth: 1) give e-day,2) go to spaa for crying PAA, 3) tell the Sgt who didn't get the spot why he didn't get it, and 4) explain to other Sgt how he can improve his eval in the future.

Also on the dye pack question were they looking for the wrong answer I don't remember, cause one of the answers was only write possible tear gas or whatever on the Sec env. Which is wrong, you have to write it on the S/E and the invoice.

E D · Senior Member

Also, on one question the barrier tape told you to use wrong kind. I believe it told you to use crime scene tape to secure an area for police operations, obviously it's police line tape.

fodx · Guru

Give the eday???? No! The C.O said in the in basket NO EDAYS. If thats the right answer thats a throwout. Its right there in black and white. F*ck this bull****.

oneadditional · Guru

MESO18 THAT IS TRUE WHAT IS AN "ADO"? I didn't see that term in that patrol guide and technically that packet of info was just for the inbasket so im going to PROTEST !!!!!!!! keep em' coming

NinoBrown · Veteran Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
RISING IDIOT wrote:
doesn't the penal law define a broken bone as assault 2? if I had a collar where the guy broke another guys hand i would charge assault 2 (spi). Therefore I consider it spi
In the penal law yes, but in 217 accidents it never specifies. So is a broken hand SPI regarding a 10-53? I really don't know?

why are u guys continuing to say serious physical injury????? The fact pattern said , serious injury!!! CAREFUL READING!!

JimmyC · Member

Like most of you, I have been through more than a few NYPD/DCAS exams. And I too would like to see a lot of the questions thrown out. You Guys and Gal's have made great cases against many of the questions. Unfortunately, I have seen many questions in the past that should have been thrown out, but weren't. I mean obvious contradictions and/or omissions. Somehow or another, the reviewers are afforded "leeway" in interpretation. This is the point where they say "You can't read too far into the question".

dtrain2748 · Member

No such thing as an ADO in the patrol guide thus making the SPAA the correct answer. I picked the ADO. A PAA was telling me that that is a procedure in their manual that the Desk tells the SPAA or PRAA to reassign someone to her. How are we suppose to know what is in the PAA patrol guide didn't reat that in the Notice of Examination as a testable guide for Lieutenanats.

dtrain2748 · Member

I thought with the Eday the new interim order that the desk officer has the final say as to approval

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

How messed up is this that we have to find out right answers from the PAA's....lol

E D · Senior Member

It's in the Admin guide according to my XO, the Pa thing

-- Edited by E D on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:51:48 AM

oneadditional · Guru

LMAO at RISINGIDIOT

oneadditional · Guru

So what was the correct answer ? Because if there is no such thing as ADO I'm going to protest the EMD question. Who is EMD ?

dtrain2748 · Member

E D wrote:
It's in the Admin guide according to my XO, the Pa thing

-- Edited by E D on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 12:51:48 AM

I checked the Admin Guide couldn't find it, ask your XO where in the Admin Guide. The only info I recieved was from the PAA and their manual she said she is going to bring it in for me tomorrow

dtrain2748 · Member

oneadditional wrote:
So what was the correct answer ? Because if there is no such thing as ADO I'm going to protest the EMD question. Who is EMD ?

What EMD question?

broncos7 · Newbie

Good point. Double answer. Test was unfair

sig226 · Senior Member

Based on answer key I see alots of test takers chose answer choice D for question 19
If I remember correctly in question 19 they were looking for wrong answer choice. It was about duties of DO where he shouldn't document strip search. As per new interim order DO no longer ensured that CLE indicated on OLBS. It's the duty of supervisor authorizing! Another scumbag move

Whatwasthat · Veteran Member

sig226 wrote:
Based on answer key I see alots of test takers chose answer choice D for question 19
If I remember correctly in question 19 they were looking for wrong answer choice. It was about duties of DO where he shouldn't document strip search. As per new interim order DO no longer ensured that CLE indicated on OLBS. It's the duty of supervisor authorizing! Another scumbag move

correct answer to choose was med treat form which was incorrect

sig226 · Senior Member

Which brings us to another double answer. Look at new I.O it clearly states supervisor authorizing must ensure CLE page number indicated in OLBS

HB · Senior Member

Just went on the fast track website to email Mike for help. I wanted to ask him for guidance on protesting the questions with hardcore facts that cant be denied. Its only right considering a lot of us spent our time and money on his class and cram classes. Well not only is the site empty now with no info listed.. But lord and behold Mike removed his contact from my contact list. Very classy fast track! I guess now that the test is over we are no longer ur students until the "next exam " right?! And there laughing all the way to the bank! NEVER USING THEM AGAIN!

RumorMill · Veteran Member

Do they really think its important if a Lieutenant calls it "Duck tape" or "Duct tape." I can't believe that was even on there. Who wrote this test?????

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

The wrong answer said ducts tape (with an "s")