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Someone mentioned in an earlier post one of the grammer questions was missing and end quotation which I'm sure was an error on the exam makers.  Expose this test in every way you can!  Even the DOM mispelling, every single mistake.

The arrest supplement question is definitely a throw out and it's actually 16-17 year PINS gets an arrest supplement. Based on that question everyone of those choices gets an arrest supplement. What they really wanted to ask was "Which of the following does not get a juvenile report" (Obviously they needed to change d ages as well since everyone was 16)

-- Edited by wereinbacklog on Monday 31st of October 2011 06:47:26 PM

The question about the guy with the broken hand from the 53 6 days in the past should be thrown out. If he had a spi u refer him to the comand of occurence. Only problem is i dont think a broken hand is spi. In the patrol guide it says spi or death. I dont think a broken hand and death go hand and hand. I figured spi would be more like the guy was likely. Correct me if im wrong but thats just what i thought.

Off Duty incident, with DO doing 49? Isn't there an obvious conflict with off duty incidents, one section has CO/DC doing 49 for all another has DO doing it. Yet they went there test day. Scumbags...

The strip search two were correct, the referring the OCCB cop to his immediate supervisor for a decision and strip searches can be authorized later on if you believe a perp could have acquired a weapon/item. Double answer.

The aided with the choking in a nursing home.

The 10-53 on the bridge with the possible qualifying vehicle/cond of severity, definite throwout.

The PINS, never even called it a "PINS Warrant" they just said "person in need of supervision" a sentence. If they are going to be so petty on the rest of the exam, have hold them accountable for every word.

Parental visit for a 21 year old after 4 hours awaiting a DAT. Book does not say UNDER 21 or OVER 21. Not a fair number to use. If they used 20 or 22 would have been a perfectly fair question.

10-53 6 days in the past, with broken hand, no commercial vehicle towing or SPI. Do you refer it to the other pct or give him a MV104?

The in basket, many of them. Especially the "E" Day judgement question, the recommending a Sgt to conditions, the map question with the hazmat level 1 and a college rally in the TR around the same location at 1400 hours, the question didn't tell you what time the hazmat incident happened, so how could you eliminate the college area? The ECB return date, had possibly thanksgiving, election day, and def veteran's day in the month of November, so its not a complete calendar when those holidays are not mentioned. Also in many in basket questions you could not eliminate the wrong choices like in most well written and fair in basket questions you can and it is a puzzle with one right answer, but in this one a lot of subjectivity and opinion.

The judgement questions where you cover up an EEO and discuss it in almost every choice, the crying PAA where how is using the ADO or asking for another PAA from a SPA a different choice with no other info or telling her it isn't always this busy, the stealing toilet paper question where in all of them the cop covers for the thief, and the TS operator who tells you about the previous tour not recording an old man's complaint about noise, do you give a CD or deal with the problem of sending a car to handle the job? Or the Lt staying late on his own time, authorizing checkpoints, discussing quotas at RC, authorizing overtime, that may have been in two questions I am mixing it up, but all things a lt does not have the authority to do, yet these were judgement questions?

Or the hate crime job. Youths make a comment about a man's sexual orientation as he walks to the subway regarding him being gay? That is not a hate crime, that is freedom of speech, nothing rising to the level of hate crime occurred, but I don't remember the choices but all had you treating as a hate crime and I think the correct answer was they wanted you to pick the least correct was to call CO HCTF direct, which was wrong, but technically all 4 choices were wrong since that is not a hate crime. I know I got it right, but since when is making a comment in public a hate crime? Even if that was interpreted as rising to the level of harassment 2nd, is it a crime? Do the exam writers even know the procedures they were writing about?

Uniform question with the female brunette with a brown hair clip and the cop hired in 2010 with visible tatoos claiming an exception in his personal folder granted by his CO, double answer.

The drug testing for cause, too vague and didn't spell out enough what they wanted you to do.

The 3 math questions regarding "productivity", never spells out what the criteria is, its math mixed with judgement/opinion. Challenge all 3.

OK, thats at least 20 questions above, all can be fought, since all were either completely unfair or had double answers.

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The question about documenting the strip search is also a double-answer. The desk officer doesn't ensure it gets documented on the OLBS, the narco boss would.

Whoever wrote this piece of garbage test needs to be re-assigned to midnights in the 73. They definitely know more about psychology and less about the PG. Someone who knows the PG wouldn't write questions that sloppy and open to interpretation.

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 Wow they said that? I remember picking medical treatment prisoner form as where it DOES NOT get documented. I thought that was one of the very few PG questions that was fair and even now it appears it may not of been...

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 In the penal law yes, but in 217 accidents it never specifies. So is a broken hand SPI regarding a 10-53? I really don't know?

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 I believe in that procedure the standard is "serious injury" not necessarily SPI. Serious injury is whatever you want it to be.

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 Wow they said that? I remember picking medical treatment prisoner form as where it DOES NOT get documented. I thought that was one of the very few PG questions that was fair and even now it appears it may not of been...

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 That was definitely what they intended to be the answer, but OLBS would also be a good answer.

-- Edited by unborn on Monday 31st of October 2011 07:57:59 PM

RumorMill wrote:

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HB, you mean seperate ziplock. Here is the list I am thinking: 1) Visit in the station house. A 21 year old is NOT BETWEEN 16-21. 2) That arrest report supplement for a PINS. The whole question is wrong. I think it's 215-08, additional data - the only time you get an Arrest Report Supplement is if it's a 17 and 18 year old PINS. The geniuses that wrote the test, merged that statement in with the four statements below it - the answer they wanted was a 16 year old in a house of prostitution, but look it up in the procedure, that's not how it's spelled out 3) Nursing home - chocking is for sure not a routine sick - show up wait for the bus 4) Strip Search - I am not 100% sure we can protest this, but would love to. There's a bunch more. Maybe we can get some stuff together and figure out what we are going to do.

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 arimaas is right they messed up on the PINS Question. They mixed up the the Second ADDITIONAL DATA which was only for Step C.  D through H apply to the first Additional Data.  Look it up it 215-08 after step 20. If I'am reading it right. Let me know.

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 So what was the answer on the PINS question? I picked stranded kid not getting ARS, but the ages and reports and even whether or not it was an actual PINS WARANT was not clear to me...

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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RumorMill wrote:

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arimaas wrote:

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HB, you mean seperate ziplock. Here is the list I am thinking: 1) Visit in the station house. A 21 year old is NOT BETWEEN 16-21. 2) That arrest report supplement for a PINS. The whole question is wrong. I think it's 215-08, additional data - the only time you get an Arrest Report Supplement is if it's a 17 and 18 year old PINS. The geniuses that wrote the test, merged that statement in with the four statements below it - the answer they wanted was a 16 year old in a house of prostitution, but look it up in the procedure, that's not how it's spelled out 3) Nursing home - chocking is for sure not a routine sick - show up wait for the bus 4) Strip Search - I am not 100% sure we can protest this, but would love to. There's a bunch more. Maybe we can get some stuff together and figure out what we are going to do.

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 arimaas is right they messed up on the PINS Question. They mixed up the the Second ADDITIONAL DATA which was only for Step C.  D through H apply to the first Additional Data.  Look it up it 215-08 after step 20. If I'am reading it right. Let me know.

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 So what was the answer on the PINS question? I picked stranded kid not getting ARS, but the ages and reports and even whether or not it was an actual PINS WARANT was not clear to me...

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 house of prostitution choice but that question is getting thrown out.

vouchers: gun missing PSE#, Marijuana missing prisoner NYSID....phone not investigatory for defaced IMEI....counterfiet seflf explanatory

I believe for question 19 there is a new interim order where supervisor authorizing the strip search must ensure that command log page number is in detail of OLBS. It's not a duty of the Desk officer. Also the D/O will tell umos to get his supervisor for a strip search and if DO disagrees the D/O appeals to co duty capt
In operation safe store , must notify detective bureau duty captain no co/duty capt. I dropped on that one

rookie scum 100% correct

the PINS was something like: some things get done on a juvi report, other on arrest report supplement. Which can not be on a supplement: juvi runaway, juvi strandad, intox juvi or juvi in a house of prostitution. The answer they wanted was the pros, because in the book it says under 16 hence no arrest sup, but technically, they screwed up all because its only pins that can ever go on a supplememnt, not all that other situations they listed. They misread the patrol guide. Does anyone remember the question with the family bringing the prescritpion medicine? The answer should be put family member and pharmacy name in details of medical treatment form. Was this an answer choice? If I remember they had two choices one said, but the family members name and the other said the pharmacys name. But technically it is both. Can everyone remember?

Just got confirmation of the correct answers for 3 of the judgement call questions. The D.O. Approves the eday. You put the ADO in the 124 room. You tell the senior sgt who didnt get the detail that you will find out why and get back to him. Those are the 3 correct answers for the test. It is written in some supervision book. I forgot the name of the book i still think all those questions should b thrown out.

unborn wrote:

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Here's some interesting reading from ExamX: http://examx.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4351

Someone asked this very question a month ago, there wasn't an answer then and there isn't now.

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 Thats just it, that is an interpretation, there is nothing in the book that guides you on what to do in the leaving the scene job. Exam X acknowledged that too and said they would probably never go there... Well guess what? THEY DID!!! WTF???

So why is using the ADO better than asking the SPA to reassign a PAA to help out? Both of them have you getting help for the crying PAA. Actually the SPA being informed about it too would make more sense than just using the ADO and the PAA's supervisor never knowing about the problem. See what I did there? I am ready for these ****suckers!!! Bring on the protest!!!

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RISING IDIOT wrote:

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Just got confirmation of the correct answers for 3 of the judgement call questions. The D.O. Approves the eday. You put the ADO in the 124 room. You tell the senior sgt who didnt get the detail that you will find out why and get back to him. Those are the 3 correct answers for the test. It is written in some supervision book. I forgot the name of the book i still think all those questions should b thrown out.

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find out why and get back to him? as a boss you don't say "I don't know why they didn't pick you." Thats not leadership. Sometimes you have to be blunt with your subordinates. The question told you why they picked the other guy, so thats what I told him 

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 Yes, but if you remember, you were not involved in picking the sgt for that spot, so you were just speculating what the other bosses were thinking based on your experience with that Sgt. You would have to ask them why they didn't pick him, since you really didn't know, but had an idea.

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 You were not involved but you knew. We've all been in that situation where the old man makes a personnel decision and leaves you to deliver it/deal with it. I don'y know. Not saying you're wrong. It comes down to opinion which is why I see problems with this test

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J Man wrote:

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the accident will be ref to 79 precinct regardless of whether or not it was an SPI.....the was a crime involved that required a 61, never done outside the precinct of occurence....which was 97 pct

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 But its not eligible for a PAR, but it is for a 61? The PG is vague there too. Unless you count a broken hand as "serious injury" he missed the time threshold and he had to report the accident.

The patrol guide doesn't really say what you don in a situation like that? Its true, a crime occured, but in that situation if all it is a 61, you wouldn't refer it? Terrible question should get thrown out altogether.

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 JMan is correct.  It says specifically what you do for a leaving the scene case in additional data.

 

The LEAST CORRECT question on this test is the PINS question.  PINS/Strandeds/Runaways/etc... have nothing to do w/ each other.  They themselves misread the procedure (215-08).

-- Edited by OkeeDokee on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 12:06:37 AM

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Just got confirmation of the correct answers for 3 of the judgement call questions. The D.O. Approves the eday. You put the ADO in the 124 room. You tell the senior sgt who didnt get the detail that you will find out why and get back to him. Those are the 3 correct answers for the test. It is written in some supervision book. I forgot the name of the book i still think all those questions should b thrown out.

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 theres no way u give the e day right away. The right answer i think should be to tell him to try to get one of his family members to get the kid to the hospital.

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WEREINBACKLOG GREAT POINT OUT ON THAT JUVENILE QUESTION. THAT'S DEFINETLY ONE THROW OUT

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 This one question should be a thread in itself.  Reflects a huge abeyance in oversight in approving this exam.

THATS RIGHT RISINGIDIOT WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO GO FIND OUT WHY WHEN YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY. IT WAS CLEARY SPELLED OUT IN THE STORY SO TO GO FIND OUT WHY IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER. THAT CAPTAIN TOLD YOU WHY SO THEREFORE YOU TELL HIM WHY, DON'T BE A COWARD AND ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW, JUST TELL HIM

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HB wrote:

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Just got confirmation of the correct answers for 3 of the judgement call questions. The D.O. Approves the eday. You put the ADO in the 124 room. You tell the senior sgt who didnt get the detail that you will find out why and get back to him. Those are the 3 correct answers for the test. It is written in some supervision book. I forgot the name of the book i still think all those questions should b thrown out.

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Not saying your wrong, but how is granting the e-day definitely the correct choice. In the real world yes, but according to the packet of information, that would be disregarding an order from the c.o.? If this supervision book says do it, then it is contradicting the patrol guide. 203-03 (compliance with orders) step 2.

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Those answers are confirmed and 100% correct according to DCAS. I got the PAA question wrong. My thinkin was if i had an ADO then that meant i needed his help. Why give away the ADO when u can simply get another PAA to help.

-- Edited by HB on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 12:16:22 AM If that is true, I would be amazed if that one doesn't get bumped to a double answer through protest. They can't possibly say the correct thing to do is violate a lawful order from the commanding officer.

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WELL IM PROTESTING THE FIND OUT WHY QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY AND BY THE WAY WHO CONFIRMED THIS ? AND WAT ELSE WAS "CONFIRMED" ?