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midnights4life · Newbie

RE: MASTER KEY

unborn · Guru

Tommy Salami wrote:
how are you going to assume that the clip wasn't concealed? the answer just said cop with brown hair clip was a brunette. there was no indication that the clip wasn't concealed.

cop with hair clip was the best answer, move on

How are you going to assume it was concealed? with this test, some questions you had to use your imagination, some you didn't. this is why everyone can justify 2-3 right answers for almost every single PG question.

infinity · Senior Member

Definitely said clearly visible.
His assignment could be patrol at his command with permission of his co, which would make him good for the detail.

nickie323 · Veteran Member

It read in the body of the question that the clip was clearly visible making it the wrong answer unfortunately. In all reality it did not say the size of the clip so i believe this question can be a double answer. The tattoo question was clearly the right answer. Does anyone remember the mobilization question? Where did the cop live? Im getting mixed info

Mes018 · Senior Member

Cop lived in the 123. Should report to the 122. (I think)

E D · Senior Member

Lived on SI, worked in brooklyn, report to 122

E D · Senior Member

I def got at least a 1

nickie323 · Veteran Member

I agree with Mes i remember him living in staten island and working in staten island, But some r saying he worked in Bklyn??? I dont recall that

DepartmentCaughtActingStupidly · Member

I agree that they guy that wrote the 10 summonses in the shorter time did a better job but stictly speaking he is not more productive as he did not produce the same as they other officer that took longer to do it. What he did was utilize his availble time more efficently. The question on the test simply asked which was more productive. I know it is a cheap shot but how can you assume that every officer wrote an equal amount of summonses and then decide that the squad with the highest is most productive? You could easily have dead weight in the squad and one or two guys carrying the squad. That is the Sgt that gets the pat on the back?

Also, did anyone else notice that the initial table of summonses the gave us didn't have a date on it? I assumed that when they asked for the year to date comparison that they wanted me to use that table as a 2011 table but it did not speficiallay state anywhere on that series of questions or on the test what date it was. So how can I make a comparison if I don't have an identified table to compare it with. A little petty but after the crap they pulled on us, I would love to shove it back at them!

Mes018 · Senior Member

If you live on staten island but work in a different borough, then your designated mobilization point is the 122. I am almost certain that he worked in Brooklyn.

-- Edited by Mes018 on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 03:53:38 PM

Hate the PG · Member

A per 213-10 The primary reporting location for MOS who live in the city is their command, SI is only for MOS who live and work on SI. So it is the 122.

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:03 PM

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:33 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

They said "alternate mobilization point" which for a cop residing in SI that works in Brooklyn is the 122, take that to the bank. I KNOW I GOT THAT ONE RIGHT!!!

Mes018 · Senior Member

Hate the PG wrote:
A per 213-10 The primary reporting location for MOS who live in the city is their command, SI is only for MOS who live and work on SI. So it is the 122.

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:03 PM

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:33 PM

Think you got it backwards. If you live and work in SI you report to your command. Live in SI, but work elsewhere, you report to the 122.

Hate the PG · Member

I wrote my response about as well as the test was written. Basically i was trying to say the 122 is the right answer.

Mes018 · Senior Member

Hate the PG wrote:
I wrote my response about as well as the test was written. Basically i was trying to say the 122 is the right answer.

Lol. So it's safe to say we all agree the guy reporting to the 122 is the correct choice.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Either way they did not ask "primary mobilization", they asked "alternate mobilization". The SI exception is if you work in any of the other 4 boro's and reside in SI, you go to the 122nd pct. One of the few straight forward and fair PG questions. The pregnant female rules question was fair in how it was written also, but damn that is obscure, it is something a district surgeon must know, not a cop or supervisor since the district surgeon will tell you what to do and walk you through everything in the real world.

I am hard pressed to come up with that many fair and straight forward PG type questions. Preg female rules, alternate mobilization, leaving the city and wearing the uniform permission (ChofDept), the lady with the garbage problem referring her to 311, the graffiti one was straight forward but obscure, the must suspend was fair, the C summons voidance in the in basket was fair cop got transferred was the right answer, cannot think of too many.

The 2 217 questions were too vague. The in basket 213 with the map gave you no time and involved locations that might not be good depending on when the so it should be a throwout, the 205 drug testing for cause had a confusing fact pattern that didn't follow the procedure at all and didn't really spell out the question well enough, the ECB return date gave you a calendar in the month of November which did not give you labeled holidays such as Veteran's Day (11/11), Thanksgiving (rotating thursdays every year), and election day, but gave you weekends. Maybe I am being petty on that last one, but the whole test was petty, hold the exam writers to their own standards.

MN50 · Senior Member

Negative, the cop worked in the 123, so the 123 is the correct choice. If you live in SI and your permanent command is on SI you respond to permanent command

infinity · Senior Member

He 100% worked in the 67

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

MN50 wrote:
Negative, the cop worked in the 123, so the 123 is the correct choice. If you live in SI and your permanent command is on SI you respond to permanent command

Lived in SI. Worked in Brooklyn.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

He resided in the 123, worked in brooklyn, and it asked for alternate mobilization point. 122 pct, one of the few fair and straightforward questions on the entire exam.

infinity · Senior Member

What did u think of the firearm removal. I always thought the ranking officer was UMOS captain or above. We would be responsible for DO duties

LT FAILURE · Veteran Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
Either way they did not ask "primary mobilization", they asked "alternate mobilization". The SI exception is if you work in any of the other 4 boro's and reside in SI, you go to the 122nd pct. One of the few straight forward and fair PG questions. The pregnant female rules question was fair in how it was written also, but damn that is obscure, it is something a district surgeon must know, not a cop or supervisor since the district surgeon will tell you what to do and walk you through everything in the real world.

I am hard pressed to come up with that many fair and straight forward PG type questions. Preg female rules, alternate mobilization, leaving the city and wearing the uniform permission (ChofDept), the lady with the garbage problem referring her to 311, the graffiti one was straight forward but obscure, the must suspend was fair, the C summons voidance in the in basket was fair cop got transferred was the right answer, cannot think of too many.

The 2 217 questions were too vague. The in basket 213 with the map gave you no time and involved locations that might not be good depending on when the so it should be a throwout, the 205 drug testing for cause had a confusing fact pattern that didn't follow the procedure at all and didn't really spell out the question well enough, the ECB return date gave you a calendar in the month of November which did not give you labeled holidays such as Veteran's Day (11/11), Thanksgiving (rotating thursdays every year), and election day, but gave you weekends. Maybe I am being petty on that last one, but the whole test was petty, hold the exam writers to their own standards.

Great points to protest PATROLGISMYBIBLE aim writing them down to use a protests right now as well as everyone's complaints to use as my protest-- and will join any suit as well--

wereinbacklog · Guru

infinity wrote:
What did u think of the firearm removal. I always thought the ranking officer was UMOS captain or above. We would be responsible for DO duties

That question was asking for the correct answer choice which was to not prepare a Firearm Removal/Restoration report.

infinity · Senior Member

you also dont direct the removal of his guns shield and id according to that procedure.... capt and above

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

So that is a double answer then?

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

II wish I could agree on the ECB question because I dropped it but its 21 calendar days. The holidays and stuff only come into play if it fell on one if those days. I decided to skip weekends and came up w/ 11/30 because I'm AN IDIOT

BimpGod · Veteran Member

There was 2 crime scene questions, both which did not spell out exactly what they were looking for. The first one had a bank robbery with injury caused by firearm, and an exploded dye pack. They asked for most correct. I went with notify CSU because the dye pack already exploded but why do they have to mix 2 separate procedures and not ask specifically which one they want the answer to.

The 2nd crime scene question was a homicide in front of a busy residential building. Then it says the Sgt and officers come to you and tell you what they did. If i remember, there was 2 possible correct choices. First being that they detained witnesses and held people with pertinent information correlating to the homicide, and the 2nd was that they established police lines utilizing Crime scene tape.

I also remember a confrontation question which was pretty straightforward, and a incident involving the media..also straight forward. Hazmat question, bomb threat question, fire question, rdo court, corp council, prisoner attempting suicide, complaint involving a cellphone, 2 on strip searches. I thought most of those were pretty easy but there wasnt many easy PG questions.

Nypdblue · Veteran Member

Doesnt loitering summ . Get voided too thought you can't that summ anymore

BimpGod · Veteran Member

Did anyone remember the one with Counseling trauma unit being needed? I narrowed it down to the firearms discharge causing a powder burn (did not say injury) and the vehicle pursuit 53 where the guy you were chasing died because of an overdose or something.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

II said the perp that died the next day of a drug overdose did not qualify

Nypdblue · Veteran Member

There was also a missing question

Mes018 · Senior Member

BimpGod wrote:
There was 2 crime scene questions, both which did not spell out exactly what they were looking for. The first one had a bank robbery with injury caused by firearm, and an exploded dye pack. They asked for most correct. I went with notify CSU because the dye pack already exploded but why do they have to mix 2 separate procedures and not ask specifically which one they want the answer to.

The 2nd crime scene question was a homicide in front of a busy residential building. Then it says the Sgt and officers come to you and tell you what they did. If i remember, there was 2 possible correct choices. First being that they detained witnesses and held people with pertinent information correlating to the homicide, and the 2nd was that they established police lines utilizing Crime scene tape.

I also remember a confrontation question which was pretty straightforward, and a incident involving the media..also straight forward. Hazmat question, bomb threat question, fire question, rdo court, corp council, prisoner attempting suicide, complaint involving a cellphone, 2 on strip searches. I thought most of those were pretty easy but there wasnt many easy PG questions.

You don't establish police lines with crime scene tape. You use police line - do not cross tape. Think they said cs tape to make it a bad choice.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

Anyone remember one with another desk officer calling you about a medical treatment form to be prepared for family members with prescription medication? There was 2 answers putting information in the remarks section, I think the family member name etc, and then one was the pharmacy information.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

Mes018 wrote:
BimpGod wrote:
There was 2 crime scene questions, both which did not spell out exactly what they were looking for. The first one had a bank robbery with injury caused by firearm, and an exploded dye pack. They asked for most correct. I went with notify CSU because the dye pack already exploded but why do they have to mix 2 separate procedures and not ask specifically which one they want the answer to.

The 2nd crime scene question was a homicide in front of a busy residential building. Then it says the Sgt and officers come to you and tell you what they did. If i remember, there was 2 possible correct choices. First being that they detained witnesses and held people with pertinent information correlating to the homicide, and the 2nd was that they established police lines utilizing Crime scene tape.

I also remember a confrontation question which was pretty straightforward, and a incident involving the media..also straight forward. Hazmat question, bomb threat question, fire question, rdo court, corp council, prisoner attempting suicide, complaint involving a cellphone, 2 on strip searches. I thought most of those were pretty easy but there wasnt many easy PG questions.

You don't establish police lines with crime scene tape. You use police line - do not cross tape. Think they said cs tape to make it a bad choice.

212-04 step 3 UMOS

Utitilze barrier tape, as appopriate

Add data..

Members of service are reminded that the deployment of "CRIME SCENE DO NOT CROSS" barrier tape for any reason, other than to secure a crime scene is strictly prohibited.

The question was a homicide, so seems like a double answer to me. It didnt ask for the sgt or cops actions, it said both told you what they did.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

remember the key saying "utilize tape" is the duty of the umos above ground but the p/s in transit. Therefore I chose that as the bad answer b/c I think it said what do.both do

Mes018 · Senior Member

Barrier tape! That was the word I was looking for. I don't think it's a double answer. It definitely said establish police lines with crime scene tape. If they said establish police lines with barrier tape, or establish crime scene with crime scene tape, then it would be a double answer.

nycop80 · Guru

on the question about exploding dye pack, here is the text from the patrol guide , word for word found in 218-37

When currency marked with a red dye must be handled or an intact exploding
currency packet is found:

UPON LOCATING AN INTACT PACKET OF CURRENCY
1. DO NOT handle the packet.

Members of the service responding to a bank robbery, or discovering a packet of banded
currency thereafter, should consult with bank employees to determine if an exploding
money packet was passed.
2. Evacuate the immediate area.
3. Request the patrol supervisor, Emergency Services Unit and Bomb Squad
to respond.

RumorMill · Veteran Member

Mes018 wrote:
Hate the PG wrote:

A per 213-10 The primary reporting location for MOS who live in the city is their command, SI is only for MOS who live and work on SI. So it is the 122.

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:03 PM

-- Edited by Hate the PG on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 04:07:33 PM

Think you got it backwards. If you live and work in SI you report to your command. Live in SI, but work elsewhere, you report to the 122.

Doesn"t matter they want the "alternate mobilization point"

-- Edited by RumorMill on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 07:24:46 PM

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

TThe cop worked in the 63. Lives in s.I. his alt mob point is the 122

RumorMill · Veteran Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
infinity wrote:
What did u think of the firearm removal. I always thought the ranking officer was UMOS captain or above. We would be responsible for DO duties
That question was asking for the correct answer choice which was to not prepare a Firearm Removal/Restoration report.

Medical Division prepares it

RumorMill · Veteran Member

nycop80 wrote:
on the question about exploding dye pack, here is the text from the patrol guide , word for word found in 218-37

When currency marked with a red dye must be handled or an intact exploding
currency packet is found:

UPON LOCATING AN INTACT PACKET OF CURRENCY
1. DO NOT handle the packet.

Members of the service responding to a bank robbery, or discovering a packet of banded
currency thereafter, should consult with bank employees to determine if an exploding
money packet was passed.
2. Evacuate the immediate area.
3. Request the patrol supervisor, Emergency Services Unit and Bomb Squad
to respond.

It already exploded

nycop80 · Guru

yes it exploded but read the entire statement

When currency marked with a red dye must be handled or an intact exploding
currency packet is found:

You are forgetting the first part of the statement and just reading an intact exploding currency is found.

OR

it exploded , yes, so now it has red dye on it ? I am 100% sure it is notify bomb squad.

-- Edited by nycop80 on Wednesday 2nd of November 2011 12:23:17 AM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I forgot that question or which actor they were asking about? Shouldn't the cop have already notified the bomb squad before the boss got there or in the question you were the cop, for some reason I forgot details of that one? Maybe I thought it was a ground ball and it didn't infuriate me like so many other questions...

oneadditional · Guru

Crime scene with crime scene tape is the answer

wereinbacklog · Guru

nycop80 wrote:
yes it exploded but read the entire statement

When currency marked with a red dye must be handled or an intact exploding
currency packet is found:

You are forgetting the first part of the statement and just reading an intact exploding currency is found.

OR

it exploded , yes, so now it has red dye on it ? I am 100% sure it is notify bomb squad.

-- Edited by nycop80 on Wednesday 2nd of November 2011 12:23:17 AM

Bomb squad does get notified but that is the duty of the responding umos not the supervisor.

NinoBrown · Veteran Member

BimpGod wrote:
Mes018 wrote:
BimpGod wrote:
There was 2 crime scene questions, both which did not spell out exactly what they were looking for. The first one had a bank robbery with injury caused by firearm, and an exploded dye pack. They asked for most correct. I went with notify CSU because the dye pack already exploded but why do they have to mix 2 separate procedures and not ask specifically which one they want the answer to.

The 2nd crime scene question was a homicide in front of a busy residential building. Then it says the Sgt and officers come to you and tell you what they did. If i remember, there was 2 possible correct choices. First being that they detained witnesses and held people with pertinent information correlating to the homicide, and the 2nd was that they established police lines utilizing Crime scene tape.

I also remember a confrontation question which was pretty straightforward, and a incident involving the media..also straight forward. Hazmat question, bomb threat question, fire question, rdo court, corp council, prisoner attempting suicide, complaint involving a cellphone, 2 on strip searches. I thought most of those were pretty easy but there wasnt many easy PG questions.

You don't establish police lines with crime scene tape. You use police line - do not cross tape. Think they said cs tape to make it a bad choice.
212-04 step 3 UMOS
Utitilze barrier tape, as appopriate

Add data..
Members of service are reminded that the deployment of "CRIME SCENE DO NOT CROSS" barrier tape for any reason, other than to secure a crime scene is strictly prohibited.

The question was a homicide, so seems like a double answer to me. It didnt ask for the sgt or cops actions, it said both told you what they did.

crime scene tape is more appropiate for INTERIOR locations where Police Line tape is already being utililized on the outside.

wereinbacklog · Guru

oneadditional wrote:
Crime scene with crime scene tape is the answer

That's what I choice. What did you get for the family member that takes prescription medication for a perp. I narrowed it down to (c) Enter name/address/telephone number of relative or (d) enter address/telephone number and name of pharmacy on the medical treatment form.

Nypdblue · Veteran Member

They both I think were good ?

unborn · Guru

wereinbacklog wrote:
That's what I choice. What did you get for the family member that takes prescription medication for a perp. I narrowed it down to (c) Enter name/address/telephone number of relative or (d) enter address/telephone number and name of pharmacy on the medical treatment form.

It was asking least correct. The answer was put the name of the prescription in the command log. I gave away an easy one.

-- Edited by unborn on Wednesday 2nd of November 2011 12:40:08 AM

wereinbacklog · Guru

Nypdblue wrote:
They both I think were good ?

Yeah I think is a double answer.